This weekend I was in a team tournament on bar boxes, and the cloth to me seemed too fast, and the bumpers were so lively it was unreal. I had to keep reminding myself of it before each shot. I was watching the DCT archived matches with Frost and the other guys and if they had been playing on these tables shooting that hard, the balls would still be rolling. So, is it me, or can some tables, especially 7 footers, be just too fast.
Can cloth be two fast?
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Go to youtube and watch the inside pool mag posts from the galveston world classic. The 9 foot diamond had super fast cloth that had been dried out under the TV lights (which is usually the case) this and the BRAND NEW rails were so fast that many of the top pros had problems with it.
I was in the ameature events and was playing on brand new 7 foot diamond table. The rails would actually speed up the ball coming off of them and the cloth was so quick I was constantly trying to take extra rails or trying to slow roll to a rail and lets not forget how tight diamonds are:grin-square:
These tables can be very tough when they are new. Just look at the equipment as the playing field everyone else is playing on that same field*
Alex
I was in the ameature events and was playing on brand new 7 foot diamond table. The rails would actually speed up the ball coming off of them and the cloth was so quick I was constantly trying to take extra rails or trying to slow roll to a rail and lets not forget how tight diamonds are:grin-square:
These tables can be very tough when they are new. Just look at the equipment as the playing field everyone else is playing on that same field*
Alex
There's a poolhall near me that has 7' Diamonds that are way too fast for me. The regulars there like the tables but I just can't deal with them. The cloth is so thin it's like shooting on pantyhose
Most definately. I have played on a table or two that had cloth that was simply WAY too fast. You were always trying to do trick things to get the cueball into position. Shots that could be cinched with close to a stop shot on a normal table suddenly roll 2-3 feet. I am talking a ball that is rolling 2cm/second and from that speed to stop it travels 20 cms. It can get ludicrous.
In my opinion the IPT had a point with the slower cloth they used. It brought back more of a point to having a powerful stroke in order to be able to make certain shots. Fast cloth makes the game easier (to a point before the speed becomes ridiculous) because it allows for less powerful strokes to get good cueball action, and the less powerful stroke where you are not trying to do alot with the cueball tends to be more accurate with regards to potting so it is win/win for ease of the game.
In my opinion the IPT had a point with the slower cloth they used. It brought back more of a point to having a powerful stroke in order to be able to make certain shots. Fast cloth makes the game easier (to a point before the speed becomes ridiculous) because it allows for less powerful strokes to get good cueball action, and the less powerful stroke where you are not trying to do alot with the cueball tends to be more accurate with regards to potting so it is win/win for ease of the game.
Yes cloth can be way too fast. I put Velocity Pro cloth on my Valley pulling it tight as a drum skin. Table mechanic's and cloth sellers on the Mechanics Forum told me it would be too fast...but what do they know. If the humidity was under 60 it was like playing on ice...really. I put up with it for about 6 months waiting for it to slow down. It never did. The Tour Edition I have on now plays a bit fast when the humidity is under 50, but plays about perfect at 70 % humidity. Even at 100% it's still very playable. Johnyt
Absolutely. The guy that owns our local poolroom had a table covered with new Simonis that according to the sales-rep was top-secret, experimental cloth. When the table was finished our guy threw a ball against an endrail where it's been bouncing back and forth for the last three years. It's true. Come and see for yourself.
I like fast cloth. I played 20 years on Simonis 760 and now all of a sudden the past few years there's been a turn back to the 860 and I can't stand it. Pool is a game of finesse. I don't like having to put power into my stroke. Give me a fast table any day of the week.
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I believe cloth can be a too fast at first when its brand new felt,, but after some play most cloths slow down a good bit..........
Most diamonds play quick, but very well. One local bar has a set of Valleys with upgraded rubber and something other than Simonis (maybe velocity, like Johnny had) stretched real tight, and the tables take quite a bit of getting used to. The balls are ALWAYS polished, the tables faster than heck, no masses (or cue angled more than 45 degrees), no jumping, etc. Needless to say, regulars or home team players there have a HUGE advantage playing someone that plays elsewhere most of the time.
I liked playing in a weekly tourney there a couple of years ago (good competition), but hated when I had to play somewhere else the next day!
I liken it to golf (SURPRISE! - lol). Going from normal greens to super fast ones (or vice-versa) is an adjustment, so don't immediately take on a local who plays a different (to you) playing table right away!!
I liked playing in a weekly tourney there a couple of years ago (good competition), but hated when I had to play somewhere else the next day!
I liken it to golf (SURPRISE! - lol). Going from normal greens to super fast ones (or vice-versa) is an adjustment, so don't immediately take on a local who plays a different (to you) playing table right away!!
almost all tables play too fast
I quit playing pool for twenty years and even before that I usually played on old tables that were less than well maintained. When I came back to pool what I fought with was speed control. Then I went and played on the oldest Diamonds I know of. My game jumped a ton. A few months later I played on some bar tables that had been in storage as long as I had and still had the same cloth on them. Again my game jumped a bunch.
I finally realized I wasn't having a hard time getting my old game back but that my old game simply didn't work anymore. The equipment got a lot faster while I was gone than even the fastest cloth I played on was in the mid eighties and new Diamond rails are ridiculously fast when compared to the old rails although just fine to play on if you have the mindset that they play correctly and everything else is slow.
I don't want to go back to the old days but if I ever have my own place I'll have one old school five by ten, either a pool table with deep cloth or a snooker table set up for golf. Those that want to gamble with me will know where to find me! :smile: :wink: :smile:
Hu
I quit playing pool for twenty years and even before that I usually played on old tables that were less than well maintained. When I came back to pool what I fought with was speed control. Then I went and played on the oldest Diamonds I know of. My game jumped a ton. A few months later I played on some bar tables that had been in storage as long as I had and still had the same cloth on them. Again my game jumped a bunch.
I finally realized I wasn't having a hard time getting my old game back but that my old game simply didn't work anymore. The equipment got a lot faster while I was gone than even the fastest cloth I played on was in the mid eighties and new Diamond rails are ridiculously fast when compared to the old rails although just fine to play on if you have the mindset that they play correctly and everything else is slow.
I don't want to go back to the old days but if I ever have my own place I'll have one old school five by ten, either a pool table with deep cloth or a snooker table set up for golf. Those that want to gamble with me will know where to find me! :smile: :wink: :smile:
Hu
Your table time is $$$$$$$$
Actually i like fast cloth - it increases your options - whitey spins longer.
But i hate fast rails - it takes away options.
In carombole,Verhoven is favored over Soren Sogard because the
rails are toned down,giving whitey more time to grab the rail when
you spin.
I played 9-ball on a carom cloth - drew the cue ball 4 rails - there was
so much spin left on the 4rth rail that it crawled up the rail.
Stopping whitey with spin - 31 oz snooker cloth/34 seconds -
carom cloth /3 MINUTES
One game under these conditions and it's mortgage-ville.
Actually i like fast cloth - it increases your options - whitey spins longer.
But i hate fast rails - it takes away options.
In carombole,Verhoven is favored over Soren Sogard because the
rails are toned down,giving whitey more time to grab the rail when
you spin.
I played 9-ball on a carom cloth - drew the cue ball 4 rails - there was
so much spin left on the 4rth rail that it crawled up the rail.
Stopping whitey with spin - 31 oz snooker cloth/34 seconds -
carom cloth /3 MINUTES