can mosconi's high run be beat'n?

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sr 9ball

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We all know It can be beaten. using the same table and pocket size. We just need to get the players to want it.
How about getting a tv reality show. using mosconi's name to create public interest. give away a million dollors to the high run in the end of a 10 week series?
 
sr 9ball said:
We all know It can be beaten. using the same table and pocket size. We just need to get the players to want it.
How about getting a tv reality show. using mosconi's name to create public interest. give away a million dollors to the high run in the end of a 10 week series?
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Sure, I'd watch, let me know when you finish it and it's airing.
 
526 straight balls without a miss....Hummm I would love to see someone try it..:cool:
 
A thousand point 14.1 match on TAR would be nice.
I don't want to see Willie's run beat in practice....
...let it be under heat.
 
sr 9ball...Who are "we", in the "we all know it can be beaten"? People have tried to beat it for 50+ years. Put up a million dollars for the first person to do it legitimately ON LIVE TV, and somebody might, maybe beat it. Even the money is no guarantee it will happen. Without that incentive, it will never happen, because nobody will try. Forget about the reality tv show... nobody cares. Just put up the money, and lay out the details...that's all you need.

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sr 9ball said:
We all know It can be beaten. using the same table and pocket size. We just need to get the players to want it.
How about getting a tv reality show. using mosconi's name to create public interest. give away a million dollors to the high run in the end of a 10 week series?
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What number do you think is equivalent using modern day equipment, 300,400? It probably has already been beaten by a few people.
 
Nah it won't be beaten for awhile... I've not really started playing much straight pool yet :groucho:
 
RG1 said:
What number do you think is equivalent using modern day equipment, 300,400? It probably has already been beaten by a few people.
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Jon S, has already made over 400, others have as well, one i read even made it just past 500 in Europe somewhere?

On an 8' table with 5" pockets, i think some could do it now, if they really desired to and worked at it daily, most including John don't. Still keep in mind that at home on his practice table which he shot on every day for 8 hrs, he had runs of over 800.... so just beating the 526 is a start, not the end.

Though i would hate to see The Mosc old record finally beat, i would not really be impressed with anyone till they can shoot even 150 consistently as Willie did. Right now my money is on both Jon and Miko to be the ones to do so, but there are other contenders that may make it first.

Believe me, if i could racehorse the money to attract the best to do so i would, i am old so it would be my pleasure to see such before i pass on. :), even though it would be heart-breaking in another sense. :(

Lastly, keep in mind that as interviewed on the reason he only went to 526, willie responded i just got tired, as others, who stopped because they missed a shot, willie never did, who knows how far he may have went that day had it not been the case? something to think about huh?
 
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Babe Cranfield supposedly had a high run of over 700. I believe it is probable that if there were sufficient incentive, someone could best this record officially.

Mike Euphema supposedly had a high run of over 600 or so too.
 
It can and eventually will be beat. The amazing thing is Mosconi could have beat it himself if he had incentive. He played hundreds if not thousands of exhibitions and matches where he stopped playing in the middle of a 100+ ball run.
 
jalapus logan said:
Babe Cranfield supposedly had a high run of over 700. I believe it is probable that if there were sufficient incentive, someone could best this record officially.

Mike Euphema supposedly had a high run of over 600 or so too.
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These runs, topped by Babe's 768, are practice runs and are rightfully not counted as exceeding Mosconi.

The format in which this run can be beaten is the exhibition format, and the guys I'd love to be sent out on an exhibition tour would be Hohmann and Schmidt. Both are capable of beating Mosconi. So are a couple of others, with Feijen and Ortmann the two that jump off the page for me.

Exhibition format events today consist solely of the 14.1 challenges, most notably at Derby City, at the Super Billiards Expo and at the BCAPL event. At the BCAPL event, there is a $20,000 bonus offered for anyone who beats Mosconi.

Mosconi's record can and will fall. It's just a matter of time. I know of just four guys who play 14.1 today that have run 400+. That would be John Schmidt, Thorsten Hohmann, Thomas Engert and Stefan Cohen.
 
doom said:
Jon S, has already made over 400, others have as well, one i read even made it just past 500 in Europe somewhere?

On an 8' table with 5" pockets, i think some could do it now, if they really desired to and worked at it daily, most including John don't. Still keep in mind that at home on his practice table which he shot on every day for 8 hrs, he had runs of over 800.... so just beating the 526 is a start, not the end.

Though i would hate to see The Mosc old record finally beat, i would not really be impressed with anyone till they can shoot even 150 consistently as Willie did. Right now my money is on both Jon and Miko to be the ones to do so, but there are other contenders that may make it first.

Believe me, if i could racehorse the money to attract the best to do so i would, i am old so it would be my pleasure to see such before i pass on. :), even though it would be heart-breaking in another sense. :(

Lastly, keep in mind that as interviewed on the reason he only went to 526, willie responded i just got tired, as others, who stopped because they missed a shot, willie never did, who knows how far he may have went that day had it not been the case? something to think about huh?
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I do not believe that a competitor as fierce as Mosconi was would have stopped running balls in front of a crowd on a run like this just because he wanted to stop. I think it's been reported several times that he did miss and that stopped the run.

As for incentive to beat Mosconi's record, which is only the official record because someone had the presence of mind to record it with affidavits and witness statements, I say that the incentive is notoriety.

The person who beats the record in a verifiable manner will be the new official record holder and every single high run discussion from that point forward will have to have their name at the top of it. Being the world record holder looks great on anyone's list of accomplishments.

Mosconi didn't set this record because he had some prize waiting, he set it because it was a fortunate circumstance and he was in a good mood during an exhibition that he had been paid to do as a member of Brunswick's staff.

He did not have to continue to run balls. It is well known that Mosconi did not like to play pool very much considering it a job and not a passion. So for him to keep "working" so to speak he probably was in good spirits and wanted to please the room owner and crowd.

In recent times prizes have however been put up for anyone who would break the record. Fury put up $5000, CSI did $10,000 I think, and there has been plenty of opportunity for anyone to try. On a Diamond, in these public high-run competitions I don't think anyone has broken 200 yet.

We might have to simply accept that Mosconi's record will stand alone as an "official" one simply because it happened in a right place/right time sort of moment that combined the best player of his era with perhaps the easiest table ever made and someone willing to take the steps to enshrine the feat as it happened.

Such a public moment may never happen again and attempts to surpass the record are weighted with the pressures of trying.

What we OUGHT to do is create a comparison chart that correctly weights the VALUE of running balls on different equipment and ask the BCA and the WPA and any body who keeps records to please list the records alongside the equipment that they were established on.

Then we would know that Schmidt's 400 on a 9ft Diamond with x" pockets is actually tougher than Mosconi's 526 on an 8ft table with 5" pockets. I mean most of us who play at a decent level understand this already but the general public and people who don't play straight pool don't understand it.

So that's my suggestions. Incentive is already there and establish a better way to rank records.
 
I wanted to see the affidavit.

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Funny that the name of the room was Easy High Billiards and the 4x8 table used is reported to have had 5.25" pockets. I have seen big pockets but I can't recall ever seeing any that big. That's .75 inches wider than two balls and with a shallow shelf.....

Maybe Mosconi did just get tired because I don't know how he would ever miss on a table like that.

Edit: Oops I misread the handwriting. It's East High Billiards not Easy High.
 
I think the pro pool players today just don't get opportunity to play in enough straight pool events to spend time working on their 14.1 skills. If top players now could put the time in playing 14.1 I feel the record would have been broken by now. Remember 14.1 is pretty much the only game Mosconi played. I'm not saying his accomplishment wasn't great, but todays players play one pocket, rotation games and banks mostly.
 
High run

Easier said than done.
526 ---- we'll if my math is right that is 38 racks --of
No misses
No scratches
No Miscues
No cue ball stuck/frozen to object ball or in pack = No shot
No break shot no run - you need 38 break Shots
Fabulous position play and cue ball control etc etc etc
Mr. 400 J.S Amazing just Amazing
I can run 1 rack maybe get into the second so it won't be me.
But I hope someone does it.
It would be Great for the the game taking down an all time record there would be a buzz around pool..
IMO in his prime or close to his prime and if he played 14.1 on a regular basis week in and week out year after year like Willie did I believe Eferon could do it --- but different times different games.
MCP
 
The table Mosconi ran 526 on did not have 5.25" pockets. Do I think 526 could be beaten for sure given the right incentive 50 years ago 14.1 was the most popular game now not so much.
 
pt109 said:
A thousand point 14.1 match on TAR would be nice.
I don't want to see Willie's run beat in practice....
...let it be under heat.
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Willie didn't set the record during a match. He set the record during an exhibition in Springfield OH in March 1954. He did however (according to he autobio run 125 after the break twice in a tournament when he was just 20)

Without question he was the greatest player when it comes to straight pool.
 
doom said:
Lastly, keep in mind that as interviewed on the reason he only went to 526, willie responded i just got tired, as others, who stopped because they missed a shot, willie never did, who knows how far he may have went that day had it not been the case? something to think about huh?
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Willie missed a shot to end his run. He says so in his autobiography, "Willie's Game."
 
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