Can someone explain shot to me?

I think it was pure follow....and a lot of it.

You must chalk at least three times to produce that much top spin.:p
 
Cuebuddy said:
I think it was pure follow....and a lot of it.

You must chalk at least three times to produce that much top spin.:p
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Yes, just follow. Definitely chalk three to four times for that amount of follow, maybe using two different chalks.
 
Positively Ralf said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI4e4fHVGZ0&t=2811s

What was applied to the shot Mike Sigel took at the 55:40 second mark? I've never seen anything like that before.
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Lots of topspin. This sort of thing happens a lot in straightpool, when you go into a loose pack with power and topspin. The cueball hits a ball that takes away it's momentum, but the topspin remains, which often leads to the cueball pushing a ball out of the pack in this manner. The video was a rather extreme example, but it's not uncommon to see this happen. The reason why it happened in the video was that the cueball lost most of it's forward momentum on impact with the object ball. It had lots of topspin on it, but did not have time to pick up speed before hitting the second object ball. The cueball was still accellerating at that time, because it had "overspin", which meant it could push the object ball in front of it without loosing contact, instead of impacting it and pushing it away. Overspin means that the cueball have more forward "rotation" than naturally rolling cueballs.
 
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I don't believe for a second that potting the 8b IN THAT WAY was any part of his primary or secondary "plan".

He fluked the 8b. That's 9b for you. :)
 
Oh yeah! He certainly didn't want to miss the first ball; but he planned to pocket the 8 ball exactly as he did. His thought process was, " If I make the first ball and I put the 8 ball somewhere in the vicinity of the right corner pocket, it's 4 balls spread out and an easy run out. I'll try to make both of them; but, there's only a one in a hundred chance ithe 8 ball will go in."

So he put both follow and left English on the cue ball. He had to. If he didn't put follow on the ball he would have ended up frozen on the 8 ball. He knew that if he put only follow on the CB, the two balls would travel together to the end rail together and end up close to each other.

So he put BOTH follow and left English on the cue ball, knowing full well the cue ball would be nudging the 8 ball to the right all the way to the end rail. He knew full well if he did this, the cue ball would eventually nudge the 8 ball, at the very least, to the right long rail, and out of the cue ball's way. Then he'd have an easy run out with 4 balls separated.

He tried to pocket the 8 ball though instead of just sending it to the long rail....He did it! As I said, I'll say he pockets the 8 ball one out of a hundred times. That being the case, he was doing exactly what he was trying to do!
 
His Boy Elroy said:
Oh yeah! He certainly didn't want to miss the first ball; but he planned to pocket the 8 ball exactly as he did. His thought process was, " If I make the first ball and I put the 8 ball somewhere in the vicinity of the right corner pocket, it's 4 balls spread out and an easy run out. I'll try to make both of them; but, there's only a one in a hundred chance ithe 8 ball will go in."

So he put both follow and left English on the cue ball. He had to. If he didn't put follow on the ball he would have ended up frozen on the 8 ball. He knew that if he put only follow on the CB, the two balls would travel together to the end rail together and end up close to each other.

So he put BOTH follow and left English on the cue ball, knowing full well the cue ball would be nudging the 8 ball to the right all the way to the end rail. He knew full well if he did this, the cue ball would eventually nudge the 8 ball, at the very least, to the right long rail, and out of the cue ball's way. Then he'd have an easy run out with 4 balls separated.

He tried to pocket the 8 ball though instead of just sending it to the long rail....He did it! As I said, I'll say he pockets the 8 ball one out of a hundred times. That being the case, he was doing exactly what he was trying to do!
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No way! But lets say he did - either way he leaves himself no shot on the next ball. Terrible play, makes no sense.
Jason
 
It looks like he was trying to clip the right edge of the other ball (is that the 6?) or miss it entirely, and then drive the cue ball 2 rails for a shot on the 5. No real master plan other than keeping the cue ball on the right side of the table where there wasn't too much traffic. He hit it so hard that the cue ball drifted way left before grabbing. It was just a badly played shot.
 
Cuebuddy said:
I think it was pure follow....and a lot of it.

You must chalk at least three times to produce that much top spin.:p
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He meant 56:40, not 55:40.

It was low outside with a closed bridge and a stroke like Mike Sigel. If there is anybody I'd like to see come out of retirement it is Mike. The deeper he got in a tournament the tougher he got.
 
alstl said:
He meant 56:40, not 55:40.

It was low outside with a closed bridge and a stroke like Mike Sigel. If there is anybody I'd like to see come out of retirement it is Mike. The deeper he got in a tournament the tougher he got.
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I have played a few events with him over te past few years and in addition to being a tuff dra, he aint no pleasure to have around, sorry to say.
 
I'll say it again, IMHO he intended to put that 8 ball right into that corner pocket ...AND HE DID IT! He's Mike Siegel. He ain't no ordinary banger! He saw that there was no way of pocketing that first ball and getting position on the next ball. He then saw a set up for a shot that if made, people would be talking about YEARS later! ( This thread is proof of that!)
When bangers like Siegel, who stray from the ordinary by a distance measured in galaxies, see a shot llike that open up in front of them, they sometimes can see their pool god's scampering away after having set it up! It's a reward doled out by the god's for years of fine practice and fine service to the game.

Once again, IMHO, Siegel ain't no ordinary banger. When the god's set 'em up like that for him, HE DON'T MISS 'EM! :smile:
 
His Boy Elroy said:
I'll say it again, IMHO he intended to put that 8 ball right into that corner pocket ...AND HE DID IT! He's Mike Siegel. He ain't no ordinary banger! He saw that there was no way of pocketing that first ball and getting position on the next ball. He then saw a set up for a shot that if made, people would be talking about YEARS later! ( This thread is proof of that!)
When bangers like Siegel, who stray from the ordinary by a distance measured in galaxies, see a shot llike that open up in front of them, they sometimes can see their pool god's scampering away after having set it up! It's a reward doled out by the god's for years of fine practice and fine service to the game.

Once again, IMHO, Siegel ain't no ordinary banger. When the god's set 'em up like that for him, HE DON'T MISS 'EM! :smile:
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Are you Mike Sigel? Haha
 
His Boy Elroy said:
I'll say it again, IMHO he intended to put that 8 ball right into that corner pocket ...AND HE DID IT! He's Mike Siegel. He ain't no ordinary banger! He saw that there was no way of pocketing that first ball and getting position on the next ball. He then saw a set up for a shot that if made, people would be talking about YEARS later! ( This thread is proof of that!)
When bangers like Siegel, who stray from the ordinary by a distance measured in galaxies, see a shot llike that open up in front of them, they sometimes can see their pool god's scampering away after having set it up! It's a reward doled out by the god's for years of fine practice and fine service to the game.

Once again, IMHO, Siegel ain't no ordinary banger. When the god's set 'em up like that for him, HE DON'T MISS 'EM! :smile:
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And once again, no he didn't! You live in dreamland.

If he makes both, he has no shot on the next ball......NEVERMIND you'll never "get" it.
Jason
 
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