Can someone explain this

Group Therapy said:
I have tried this shot repeatedly and just can figure out how to make it go. Freddy says to use the "rubber in the round", and it appears that this guy makes it above that area. Anyway, and insight would be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szSMQLXQCuE&feature=channel&list=UL

thanks,
Therapy
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Banking into the short rail and then off the nipple/point/round or whatever you want to call it. Probably works better on faster tables with springy rails or at least that would be my guess. That guy's forgotten more about banking than most people will know and he still hits the money at DCC along with a few other 'ok' players.

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As Banks mentioned, it's coming off the short rail first. Watch from 23s on.
 
Although it appears to hit too high, I believe this ball really is hitting the rounded part of the nipple... the very edge of it. The nipple is about parallel with the pointy metal bit that surrounds the pocket.

There are a couple of reasons it may not work for you. One is that the nipple on some tables is very sharp, not round at all. Sending the object ball into it may require almost superhuman aim.

The other is that the cut of the pocket may just make it more difficult, the nipple may basically just "point" more towards the foot rail.

He does appear to use some left spin on the CB, to put right on the object ball.
I don't know if it's possible to do this shot by strictly hitting the jaws of the pocket and not the rounded part of the nipple.

In situations where a ball is corner-hooked, you can play the cue ball off the flat part of the jaws (with a lot of running english) to get it run along the foot rail towards the opposite corner. Maybe you can spin an object ball enough to get the same effect?
 
Group Therapy said:
I have tried this shot repeatedly and just can figure out how to make it go. Freddy says to use the "rubber in the round", and it appears that this guy makes it above that area. Anyway, and insight would be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szSMQLXQCuE&feature=channel&list=UL

thanks,
Therapy
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Looks like it hits the tit to me. Try to advance the video slowly to the point that the ball hits the rail then use a straight edge and make a line from the opposite pockets tit and see that the center of the ball "could" be just on or inside the tit of the pocket on the near side.

Show it to Jacob McMichael. He is a one pocket specialist and I am sure he would be willing to talk with you. If not, remind me and we will figure it out together. Looks like fun!

I think I am going to be up there tonight...I have applied for a hall pass ;)

Ken
 
Not sure about tonight

Ken, I don't know if I will make it tonight or not. If not, go ahead and give it a few tries and let me know how it worked out for you. It has been kickin my butt for a couple months now.
 
play it off the corner of the pocket. the problem is it depends alot on the table/felt. when the tables are recovered somtimes the corner is pulled tighter and rounded or sometimes its very sharp, makes the shot hard to predict.

inspect the point of the table your playing on and try to picture where u would need to hit it to make it, i find the shot easier to make if the point is somewhat rounded not just a sharp point. dont know if this will help you or not but goodluck!
 
Try the long rail..

I watched some very good players trying this shot...on a long rail...with no luck at all. Tobey Sweet came in and quickly made it twice in a row. And the object ball hit a few inches away from the top pocket and came back down toward the rail and into the called pocket. Nobody but Tobey made that shot and some big names took a crack at it and gave up.
 
Mike_Mason said:
I watched some very good players trying this shot...on a long rail...with no luck at all. Tobey Sweet came in and quickly made it twice in a row. And the object ball hit a few inches away from the top pocket and came back down toward the rail and into the called pocket. Nobody but Tobey made that shot and some big names took a crack at it and gave up.
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This shot is much easier the long way - no need to hit the tit; just give it some sidespin to throw it back toward the pocket (or just cross-bank it, especially if it's off the long rail a little).

pj
chgo
 
I tried the shot and couldn't get it.

Then, I froze the CB to the middle diamond, and hit different parts of the pocket point directly (no OB in the shot). I was able to make the CB bank into the corner, but there was only a very small target it could hit and bank properly. I suppose if you find that spot on your table, and send the OB there, it should bank. I also tried it with outside spin on the CB, and could still make it fine (remember, I was shooting the CB into the point).
 
Group Therapy said:
Ken, I don't know if I will make it tonight or not. If not, go ahead and give it a few tries and let me know how it worked out for you. It has been kickin my butt for a couple months now.
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I wasn't able to try it last night. I was too busy getting my butt kicked by Geno the Machino! I will be up there again tonight for the tournament.

Ken
 
Group Therapy said:
I have tried this shot repeatedly and just can figure out how to make it go. Freddy says to use the "rubber in the round", and it appears that this guy makes it above that area. Anyway, and insight would be appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szSMQLXQCuE&feature=channel&list=UL

thanks,
Therapy
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My understanding of "rubber in the round" is not tit related at all as mentioned in various posts. It's when the cloth is stretched on the rubber near the corner pockets, it's pulled a little tighter to get the facing smooth, which tends to round the rubber a bit as it approaches the corner. This allows for a different angle that aims back to the cross corner pockets. (You don't see this as much for the side pockets because the cloth is folded more often than not on the facing).

If you hit the tit you're in trouble, it should be hit above the tit to where the rubber is rounded slightly, which varies on each table because the cloth is stretched differently and different rubber may be used. You should experiment when playing on a new table as how far up you can go to still make the shot, if at all.

Although spin will affect the direction of banks, when a ball is on the rail like this, it's accuracy in hitting just the right spot with the right speed that makes this bank.

Dave
 
12squared said:
My understanding of "rubber in the round" is not tit related at all as mentioned in various posts. It's when the cloth is stretched on the rubber near the corner pockets, it's pulled a little tighter to get the facing smooth, which tends to round the rubber a bit as it approaches the corner. This allows for a different angle that aims back to the cross corner pockets. (You don't see this as much for the side pockets because the cloth is folded more often than not on the facing).

If you hit the tit you're in trouble, it should be hit above the tit to where the rubber is rounded slightly, which varies on each table because the cloth is stretched differently and different rubber may be used. You should experiment when playing on a new table as how far up you can go to still make the shot, if at all.

Although spin will affect the direction of banks, when a ball is on the rail like this, it's accuracy in hitting just the right spot with the right speed that makes this bank.

Dave
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Sounds good. Much appreciated, Dave.
 
Really appreciate it

First I want to thank everyone for there input thus far. I haven't had any table time this week (darn job), but hopefully I will get out soon and give this another shot. I have watched the video several times now, and I believe he actually goes rail first with the cue ball. My problem is this, if you go rail first, or even just banking the OB off the short rail into the long rail, it will pick up english off the rail. In this case the wrong english to accomplish this bank. However, if I understand most everyone correctly, english isn't going to effect this shot much. It is more of finding the sweet spot near the corner pocket that sends the cue ball back my way. I foresee a lot of frustration in my future as I look for this spot. thanks again to everyone that has commented.
 
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CreeDo...No sidespin is required to make the shot you describe here. You merely have to hit the opposite tit correctly and the CB goes right down the short rail to the opposite pocket.

Scott Lee
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CreeDo said:
In situations where a ball is corner-hooked, you can play the cue ball off the flat part of the jaws (with a lot of running english) to get it run along the foot rail towards the opposite corner. Maybe you can spin an object ball enough to get the same effect?
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If the second video, where the object ball banks one rail with the obstructing balls, does not prove that side spin can be transferred to an object ball, I don't know what does?
 
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