Can someone help me understand the thought process behind these requests?
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Thanks. i thought I was going a little crazy.
I never specified "pros" behaving like this. I simply said "If someone" and "players" in general. This is the overall attitude of many players in the game that think they are God's gift to the game and walk on water. I never said ANYTHING about it being amongst PRO players. I'm indicating that ALL players that ask for more money or expect an all expense paid free ride to make "professional level money" need to FIRST learn to act, present and market themselves in a "professional manner". Enough about this. Let's not dwell on interpretation of my post but rather the original poster's efforts being taken for granted by those who want to put in their 2 cents but don't put up a dollar.
I never specified "pros" behaving like this. I simply said "If someone" and "players" in general. This is the overall attitude of many players in the game that think they are God's gift to the game and walk on water. I never said ANYTHING about it being amongst PRO players. I'm indicating that ALL players that ask for more money or expect an all expense paid free ride to make "professional level money" need to FIRST learn to act, present and market themselves in a "professional manner". Enough about this. Let's not dwell on interpretation of my post but rather the original poster's efforts being taken for granted by those who want to put in their 2 cents but don't put up a dollar.
You never said back Pedal either!
"Perhaps if you learned how to MARKET YOURSELF as a professional and present yourself professionally, some CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS"
Above is a line from the post where you never said pros.
Please!
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Its just not the way it works. You can't "fake it until you make it" and pool will be well paying and reputable because the players are dressing better and talking nice.
Find some way to make it appealing to a large enough audience to attract TV and thus sponsors and pour some cash into the game. Let these pros play for better odds than "the top two will cover expenses, and moochy expenses at that" and let them make the kind of money their skills demand in most other sports and you will see them acting like the pros in other sports do. They will have handlers and coaches and they will show up on time and act like its their business because it will be their business.
If you think Network TV ignores pool because of the way the players dress or act, you just are thinking wrong. Players act moochy because they have moochy opportunity. Same with the promoters. Acting like the people who participate in popular sports act will not make pool popular.
Kevin
Find some way to make it appealing to a large enough audience to attract TV and thus sponsors and pour some cash into the game. Let these pros play for better odds than "the top two will cover expenses, and moochy expenses at that" and let them make the kind of money their skills demand in most other sports and you will see them acting like the pros in other sports do. They will have handlers and coaches and they will show up on time and act like its their business because it will be their business.
If you think Network TV ignores pool because of the way the players dress or act, you just are thinking wrong. Players act moochy because they have moochy opportunity. Same with the promoters. Acting like the people who participate in popular sports act will not make pool popular.
Kevin
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Idiocy at its finest
The comment was referring to a no name player being able to compete with arguably the best player in the world..Shane in a tournament setting and why would they give up a $1,000.000.00+ salary in order to do it..."short race" was never mentioned..you put that in and its absurd.
Thats like taking some insurance salesman who plays basketball on weekends sitting in the Garden to watch a Knick game and coming down after the game to play Carmello one-on-one and saying he has a chance if its a "short race"
Seems like you being thrown off AZB for a while didnt teach you much, but your ridiculous comments about anyone thinking differently then you doesnt spend much time outside their pool hall will surely escalate as usual and you'll be banned again..next time permenantly if the rest of us are lucky.
The comment was referring to a no name player being able to compete with arguably the best player in the world..Shane in a tournament setting and why would they give up a $1,000.000.00+ salary in order to do it..."short race" was never mentioned..you put that in and its absurd.
Thats like taking some insurance salesman who plays basketball on weekends sitting in the Garden to watch a Knick game and coming down after the game to play Carmello one-on-one and saying he has a chance if its a "short race"
Seems like you being thrown off AZB for a while didnt teach you much, but your ridiculous comments about anyone thinking differently then you doesnt spend much time outside their pool hall will surely escalate as usual and you'll be banned again..next time permenantly if the rest of us are lucky.
Hey Scott, my friend, you hit the nail right on the head but PLEASE.... LEAVE "SAND" OUT OF IT! Thanks! LOL
Kimberly darling, you are doing a GREAT thing and those WORTHY of all your hard efforts will APPRECIATE them. If someone cannot appreciate a great opportunity presented to them, just leave them behind. Very few players in the game have a following or "draw" at this time and therefore have nothing to offer YOU. Don't get me wrong, there are some out there and even THEY don't ask for much and know how to appreciate others efforts for THE GAME and everyone overall and not just their own pitiful selfish worthless selves. If you want to be PAID like a professional, then ACT like a professional. If it is your full-time JOB to play, then YOU as the player are responsible for your OWN transportation to WORK, your own appropriate suit & tie (entry fee) and also your ACTIONS while on the work site. If you don't ABIDE like everyone else PROFESSIONALLY and ACCORDINGLY, don't be surprised if you get sent home for the day, have to meet with Human Resources or even get DOCKED PAY for misbehavior. Be happy YOU HAVE A JOB and learn to APPRECIATE IT! Perhaps if you learned how to MARKET YOURSELF as a professional and present yourself professionally, some CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS may actually come your way.
It's NOT all about YOU! This whole "Me me me" attitude must cease so that POOL can move forward and catch up to Asia, Europe and the Middle East.
Sorry for the CAPS everyone but I only did it on the important parts. LOL
After reading this post and hearing the attitude you come across with.
I find it disturbing that you say
"Perhaps if you learned how to MARKET YOURSELF" :shrug:
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I stand corrected JB, apparently men's pro tennis permits the practice and I believe that women's tennis does not. Of course, it would only apply to the top players, and I doubt that the majors would offer it because of the size of the prize money and sponsorships that are sure to follow. There are reports that Sampras was paid $1 million to appear in Qatar just before the Australian Open one year, and both Federer and Nadal being offered north of $500k to play Dubai. Aside from the ATP Tour, there are lesser known tournaments, namely the challenger and futures, where sponsorships are almost non existent and probably all players foot their own expenses.
"Sponsorships, meanwhile, go to the very top-ranked players. Federer has a 10-year contract with Nike, which earns him $10 million every year, plus other deals totaling nearly $28 million. Maria Sharapova earned an estimated $22 million from sponsorships in 2008. (That is out of a total of roughly $580 million in tennis sponsorship spending this year.) Players ranked between No. 25 and No. 100 might get minor sponsorship deals, too, but they tend to be less lucrative.
Another source of income is so-called "appearance fees." To attract media attention, certain minor tournaments offer highly ranked players money just to show up, regardless of how they play. Players outside the top 10 might make between $50,000 and $150,000 per appearance, while the most elite athletes can make high six-figures. The Dubai Tennis Championships, for instance, offered Rafael Nadal nearly $1 million to play in 2009. (He declined.) Technically, appearance fees are illegal in women's tennis, but the rule is often circumvented."
My position remains the same, although my argument changes.
J
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Regardless of how an event is run, you still need paying bodies in the seats, or LOTS of PPV stream viewer's, or
deep pocket sponsored TV !...I see Bonus Ball is now allowing FREE attendance to their 'hugely anticipated' playoffs..(with free drinks and popcorn)..Another great business decision ???...Now the 50 or 60 people who buy the stream, will at least get to see a few people in the seats, and hear the deafening applause, as soon as they figure out when to clap !
Pool, at this point in time, is NOT a popular spectator sport... Millions of people play, and enjoy pool,..but only a few thousand of us, actually know ANYTHING about the finer points of the game !..I hate to say it, but I don't see that
changing any time soon..And I also hate to keep pounding on Bonus Ball, but it is a perfect example...Tens of thousands
invested, with NO chance of EVER breaking anywhere near even !.. Nice effort Mr. Ciborak, but the LAST thing pool needed was a NEW game !
SJD
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Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way but I'm not here to sugar coat the truth.
You do know that I host and sponsor professional tournaments and events right?
I put money into the game from my shallow little pockets. I don't just give my 2 cents.
Keep sitting back and waiting for another wealthy, wise and successful individual or corporation to pour millions into a poor product with no return for their investment and no appreciation from the inside, no paying viewership and nothing but grief and you'll have another Badi Nazhat.
'You do know that I host and sponsor professional tournaments and events right?"
Yes of coarse I know. That's what makes it even more shocking.
I also know you're the only person I've ever seen on Az who puts four quotes
from them self in their sig. Do you have a problem getting through doorways
by chance? :grin-square:
Yes of coarse I know. That's what makes it even more shocking.
I also know you're the only person I've ever seen on Az who puts four quotes
from them self in their sig. Do you have a problem getting through doorways
by chance? :grin-square:
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Are you serious? Have you read the comments?
Are you serious? Have you read the comments? I'll show you a few from just the first section. Again, do these so called "pros" have names? Is it Shane, Mika, Thorsten, etc.? If not them, then who are the "evil pros" that want everything and give nothing?
Are you serious? Have you read the comments? I'll show you a few from just the first section. Again, do these so called "pros" have names? Is it Shane, Mika, Thorsten, etc.? If not them, then who are the "evil pros" that want everything and give nothing?
Str8 shots,
Can you help me understand the thought process behind your request?
How can you expect guys to travel to your event knowing 3rd place is needed to break even?
Why would you attempt to make it sound as if they're being unreasonable if they tell you they need you to do more in order to make it worth it for them?
As a promoter it is your job to generate fans, not make the fans hate them.
Can you help me understand the thought process behind your request?
How can you expect guys to travel to your event knowing 3rd place is needed to break even?
Why would you attempt to make it sound as if they're being unreasonable if they tell you they need you to do more in order to make it worth it for them?
As a promoter it is your job to generate fans, not make the fans hate them.
Yeah, right. Money will suddenly make these guys act right. Good one.
Do the Pro Poker Players "act right" ?
POV Pool will be streaming the Rum Runner, LIVE and PPV! I just got off the phone with the venue owner and sealed it.
POST EDIT - Nick Varner's free stream may hurt the PPV aspect a little but probably not the Rum Runner event itself. We are doing it PPV because the owner of Rum Runner says he can't justify the cost of paying me out of pocket to do it. I have arranged to cut the players in on the profit of PPV sales if there is a profit. Any additional promotional help is greatly appreciated.
POST EDIT - Nick Varner's free stream may hurt the PPV aspect a little but probably not the Rum Runner event itself. We are doing it PPV because the owner of Rum Runner says he can't justify the cost of paying me out of pocket to do it. I have arranged to cut the players in on the profit of PPV sales if there is a profit. Any additional promotional help is greatly appreciated.
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What a shame. This is not what streamers need to be successful. Being forced to go against each other will not help anyone. Rum runner was there first Straight Shots are not helping here.
POV Pool do your thing and I hope that you are supported with this.
Is this opposed to Aliens or Animals? You crack me up Justin, LOL
Gntlmn Jim
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You still are not going head to head for pay per view. I believe the Nick Varner stream will be free.