Can we be honest about cues?

In my opinion most cues play good, it's just that some are exceptional, or exceptional to people for various reasons.
We can take a Dale Perry, tune up the shaft with the right tip & ferrule combination, and they play excellent.
Rarely is a cue just a dog, but it does happen, I won't get into it but I've had a few.
I bought an old McDermott D-19, the original tips were so old that they shredded when you tried to shape them, and I ran 3 racks with it the first day.
I guess you could call that pretty good playing McDermott.
An old Ernie Martinez sneaky I just picked up plays so good it doesn't seem to matter what shaft I use.
I've tried it with the original Ernie shaft, an old Schon shaft, a nice leftover custom shaft, an old Josswest shaft, and they all take the ball right to the pocket.
It's just uncanny how it plays.

You can buy generic production or import cues and they can be tuned up, but some of
these custom cues seem to play great no matter what.
The shaft taper, ferrules, tips, and choices like cored vs. not-cored can really make a difference from an individual standpoint.

You are right Ted.
My humble Lucasi has run multiple racks of most games.
 
Well who knew? Let me sell all my Scruggs & rush out and buy a Schmelke.

You can take this to anything in life, Kia is just as good as a Porsche, Double Wide is just as good as a Malibu Beach house, Spam just as good as filet mignon, whatever.

Play with whatever you like but the truth is if you really felt this way you'd just play with your cue & be happy & not feel the need to justify it being "just as good" so YOU feel better about it. Just an observation.

If the objective is to drive 30mph to the corner store to pick up some milk, the Kia is just as good as the Porsche. If you're going to actually drive both cars to their potential, a Kia is a Kia. A Porsche is a Porsche. They're both cars. But they are not even remotely close to equal.
 
I've had a lot of cues & trimmed my herd down to 4 that I won't sell. R. Howard, Pechauer Pro-H, McDermott D-3, and a Schmelke true sneaky. I assure y'all I can play just as bad with ary one of 'em !!!
 
Reading constantly about cues on here and I have to say does it really matter ? I'm sure everyone has they're preference, I myself just aquired my first real cue, which is a schmelke, it's awesome, I love it. Does it make me feel good when I shoot? Absolutely! I just think everyone here focuses on cues so much it's ridiculous. Sure if you have a rare cue or a custom cue and it's beautiful more power to you. Be happy about it, I would!! When it comes to making balls or running racks it's about you and not the stick. Maybe it's me cause I'm a newbie to pool but I just don't get why it's a big deal. Guys asking about low deflection vs standard maple,or predator vs ob shafts? Shoot your game, if you suck it's not the cue
Man, THAT was DEEP. Profound beyond belief. I feel better about my cue choice now for sure.
 
You are right Ted.
My humble Lucasi has run multiple racks of most games.

You've changed it, since the days at Hanks.
When you were playing with the Lucasi everyday, it was the "Mighty Lucasi" and now that the Mighty Lucasi is retired, it just the poor old "Humble Lucasi"

I don't think you imported production electronic store cue experts are in this for the sport

:smile:
 
Play a few years. You may change your mind. It's a fact that some people can do some things better with some cues than others. Has a lot to do with tip preference, shaft flex, joint/ferrule material. I remember a guy who started out with a medium priced Adam and proudly told everybody he'd never need another cue. It was gone in less than a year.
 
Will all cues draw the cue ball the same distance using the same stroke/speed?

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Will all cues draw the cue ball the same distance using the same stroke/speed?

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Same ferrule? Same Tip? Same shaft taper? Same dia tips? Then I'd say yes, otherwise no. At least close enough it wouldn't matter.
 
I remember a guy who started out with a medium priced Adam and proudly told everybody he'd never need another cue. It was gone in less than a year.



I heard that you have to hold that production stuff for at least a full year before it can exposed to the general cue buying public.
It's hard to believe that someone would buy an imported production cue, and flip it in less than a year.
Measureman might know some people that will not be pleased to hear this

:smile:
 
Well if everything is the same then it kinda takes away from all cues play the same.

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Will all cues draw the cue ball the same distance using the same stroke/speed?

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If you can only draw the ball two inches to begin with, there can't be that much difference, even from a percentage standpoint.
Just thinking out loud again
 
I get a good 3 to 5 inches on my draw shot. Thanks. Ok then so we all agree every cue as is from the maker will draw the cue ball the same distance using the same speed/stroke.

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Ever met a golfer? How bout a bowler? And he'll even a pool player. All the same. Obsessed with equipment

Ps. Baseball player, grab a bat any one will do


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Golfers and Bowlers get fit for the equipment they use (I play both as well as drill balls.)

Yes, there can be an obsession with it. But it's our passion as well.

It's akin to the newbie guitarist that says his $150 big box store acoustic guitar plays and sounds just fine. But once his skills get better he finds that the a tion is a little too high, the guitar doesn't into ate correctly, the timing keys have backlash, the Plywood sounds pretty dead. Did anything change with the guitar? No. He got better and was able to hear and feel the subtleties that separate better guitars from basic ones (I build guitars as well..... )
 
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Reading constantly about cues on here and I have to say does it really matter ? I'm sure everyone has they're preference, I myself just aquired my first real cue, which is a schmelke, it's awesome, I love it. Does it make me feel good when I shoot? Absolutely! I just think everyone here focuses on cues so much it's ridiculous. Sure if you have a rare cue or a custom cue and it's beautiful more power to you. Be happy about it, I would!! When it comes to making balls or running racks it's about you and not the stick. Maybe it's me cause I'm a newbie to pool but I just don't get why it's a big deal. Guys asking about low deflection vs standard maple,or predator vs ob shafts? Shoot your game, if you suck it's not the cue

I haven't read anything like this. Today.

Have fun with the Schmelke. You should have a great time with it.


Freddie <~~~ we get it
 
Sigh ... In some ways I wish I was that young again. When you're just bangin balls with your buddies? You're absolutely right. If you stick with the game. If you start playing for money. If you start doing leagues. If you start doing tournaments. IFF EXACT placement becomes important to you - I think your views will change.

Maybe you lucked out in your choice of cue ... Schmelke is considered by many to be the most "bang for your buck" cue going right now. For me there are two things that matter in cue sticks. One: How it looks - is it "pretty". But more importantly: How it "feels" and "plays". One single shot makes a difference. If you miss po when playing a good player .. you lose.

I hope you stay with the game ... it's an amazing sport. But I think if you do - your views will change.

Best always,
Ched

I wish I was young again in almost every way.

JC
 
Will all cues draw the cue ball the same distance using the same stroke/speed?

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I feel all cues could potentially draw the same amount, though some take more adjusting. I prefer hard tips, trimmed down. So I really need to ease my stroke with medium/soft tips.
 
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Reading constantly about cues on here and I have to say does it really matter ? I'm sure everyone has they're preference, I myself just aquired my first real cue, which is a schmelke, it's awesome, I love it. Does it make me feel good when I shoot? Absolutely! I just think everyone here focuses on cues so much it's ridiculous. Sure if you have a rare cue or a custom cue and it's beautiful more power to you. Be happy about it, I would!! When it comes to making balls or running racks it's about you and not the stick. Maybe it's me cause I'm a newbie to pool but I just don't get why it's a big deal. Guys asking about low deflection vs standard maple,or predator vs ob shafts? Shoot your game, if you suck it's not the cue

I have written this in a similar thread. A top Pro played a big money match vs. another
top pro. He lost in a very close match, when talking about it afterwards he said" if I was
playing with my cue I would have won" . He was playing with a cue by the company who
sponsored him at that time.

Did he play good? Yes he played excellent but a cue that feels right to you can give you
That extra bit of confidence you may need on a tough shot, and that can be the difference between winning and losing. The bottom line is play with what you are comfortable with and with what you can afford .
 
Obviously everyone has their opinion and relationship with pool cues.
It always comes down to what one can afford and is willing to spend.

Some people believe a $300 shotgun from Big 5 Sporting Goods. or
equivalent store, is every bit as good as a custom Beretta Shotgun &
in a primitive sense they're right. Both may be the same caliber & shell
capacity and shoot right? So I suppose it could be reasoned they are
the same but anyone that knows a tinkers dam about guns knows that
is just totally fallacious and indeed, there is a vast genuine difference
between the two guns.......same applies to time pieces.....a watch is a
watch, right? Well, hardly and once again, it basically comes to what
you can afford.....Timex or Bulova same as Omega or Rolex......Nope!


Does the Bennelli shotgun make you a better shooter? Does the Rolex
watch help you be more punctual for an appointment, even the important
ones. Of course not and everyone knows, or should know by now, that it
has always been the Indian rather than the arrow that determines hitting
the bulls-eye. Same applies to cues & so play what you like & can afford.
But it's always the cue-maker's skills that determines a great hitting cue.
And when you have the best, you will try harder which leads to playing
your best and that's ultimately what playing pool is all about

Nonetheless, a $15.000 Searing won't turn you into a world class player
but I'd wager a dollar to a dime that if someone handed you one to use for
an evening, you'd likely play some of the best pool in your life. Same applies
to a $12,000 Barry Szamboti cue.....only by trying harder does one become
a better pool player & I've found custom cues to be a really great incentive.


Nice post ... If you are a new or relatively new player, you will not have the ability to know the differences between cues, tips, shafts or chalk -- so no -- it does not matter.

The longer you play and the better you get, will result in the development of preferences. These preferences are important to each individual player in that he will play better because he is more comfortable with his equipment.

My first car was a 1965 Pontiac Tempest -- it was an old used up roach -- but to my ignorant understanding it was the only car that any one would ever really need. I mean it took me from point A to point B - for a short while - just like all the other cars.

Now, considerably later in life, I drive a Mercedes Benz and own a truck that costs over Fifty Thousand dollars -- my current vehicles are all worth the money to me because I now know, through experience, what makes them different, and more importantly - why they are more suitable to my personal preferences.

I'm afraid that I am no longer able to drink the cheap stuff and feel comfortable about it.

Good rolls.
 
Originally Posted by Mike81
"I just think everyone here focuses on cues so much it's ridiculous."


It seems likely that Mike81 never played golf at any country clubs........before,
during & even after a round, it is pretty common for golf equipment in general,
and new equipment in particular, to get discussed and debated. Everyone is
looking for a competitive edge when it comes to their equipment.

Pool cues are different in some respects but not entirely......people want to play
better so they try new equipment to see how much it helps......LD shafts are the
perfect example. You don't need a LD to play great and in fact, it can even throw
your game off if you've played awhile with maple shafts.

People on the Forum discuss cues for a variety of reasons. It's been my experience
that the naysayers who doubt or scorn expensive custom cues are either ignorant
about the anatomy and construction of a cue or just envious of those that can afford
these cues. Let me the first to admit I am envious of some of the cues in the collection
of Vinnie Babarooch, Phil Dade, West Wing, Skins, Martin Bick, Jimmy Ray, and a few
others. They own cues that are equivalent to fine artwork and the cue-makers are just
revered names too. There isn't any Schmelke cue made that's equivalent to the cues in
the collections of the aforementioned Azers......I am small potatoes compared to those
fellows & I am not reluctant or embarrassed to admit I wish I owned cues like those guys.


Custom cues do not make you play any better but I've yet to see a player using a $5k cue
play like a beginner or even intermediate. Everyone I encounter that owns a expensive
custom from a famous cue-maker plays very strong. It doesn't mean they would not play
strong using a run of the mill production cue but I bet they play better with what they own.

It's been said many times, "Play with what you like." but try to at least figure out why you like it.
 
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