Can you spot where the "round points" end and the "Sharpee'd points" begin?

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iowa_player said:
I just got a pm from a well respected member of the forum who sold a cue to this same buyer and went through the same headache . I hope and prey he will post his story here .


Larry
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He settled the issue with a refund, ask him if he really wants to open a can of worms and I'll be glad to share the story here. I told him he wouldn't hear anything from me after we settled it. To say the least, I got 2 lemon cues in a span of 3 weeks here on az.. Danktrees and The Beginner can back me up on that one, it was even Dank who packaged the cue when we sent it back to the cuemaker. Put yourself in my position. What would you do?
 
its possible... that this cue was a special order way back when after 1985 when they made the silver rings the standard.. which would make sense for the cnc'd points and the stitched rings..

below is a link to chris tates website that mentions this..

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html

Introduced in 1982, the R series replaced the S series cues. These improved designs would be the basis for Schon cues for many years to come. The "stitch" ring design was standard until 1985 and nickle-silver were optional. Nickel-silver becasme standard after 1985 while stitch rings were still available on special order. Even today, Schon shafts may be ordered with stitch rings.
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its possible..somewhere long ago this cue was ordered.. with the stitch rings.. and down the road, somebody doctored it up and probably has had many unknowing buyers buy it and sell it and never known it wasnt the real deal...

best of luck to both of you on this...

chris
 
ChrisOnline said:
its possible... that this cue was a special order way back when after 1985 when they made the silver rings the standard.. which would make sense for the cnc'd points and the stitched rings..

below is a link to chris tates website that mentions this..

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html



its possible..somewhere long ago this cue was ordered.. with the stitch rings.. and down the road, somebody doctored it up and probably has had many unknowing buyers buy it and sell it and never known it wasnt the real deal...

best of luck to both of you on this...

chris
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Thanks for your input Chris.
 
iowa_player said:
Here is my post when I sold it .

Here is a very nice Schon R2 in fantastic shape . Other than a little blueing on the shaft its like new . I was shocked for a cue of this age the condition it was in .

Comes with one shaft 13mm . It is around 19.5 - 20 oz I cant check that I dont have a scale .

I looked it up in the blue book its on page 707 it says that in 98% condition its worth $850 - 90% condition its worth $640

Well its better than 90% but not 98% cuz of the slight shaft blueing .

THIS CUE HAS BEEN SOLD THANKS


L,

After carefully reading your sales post you sold the cue as a R-2 which it probably is. You didn't state how the cue was constructed and i think the buyer ASSUMED the points were spliced.

Based on the pics in your ad the points appear spliced.


Based on the buyers close-up image the points appear enhanced.

In view of the above only you can decide if you have a moral obligation to refund freight if the points are in fact cnc'd and enhanced.

i knew this would be worked out in a civil manner when i saw you were involved:smile:
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ribdoner said:
iowa_player said:
Here is my post when I sold it .

Here is a very nice Schon R2 in fantastic shape . Other than a little blueing on the shaft its like new . I was shocked for a cue of this age the condition it was in .

Comes with one shaft 13mm . It is around 19.5 - 20 oz I cant check that I dont have a scale .

I looked it up in the blue book its on page 707 it says that in 98% condition its worth $850 - 90% condition its worth $640

Well its better than 90% but not 98% cuz of the slight shaft blueing .

THIS CUE HAS BEEN SOLD THANKS


L,

After carefully reading your sales post you sold the cue as a R-2 which it probably is. You didn't state how the cue was constructed and i think the buyer ASSUMED the points were spliced.

Based on the pics in your ad the points appear spliced.


Based on the buyers close-up image the points appear enhanced.

In view of the above only you can decide if you have a moral obligation to refund freight if the points are in fact cnc'd and enhanced.

i knew this would be worked out in a civil manner when i saw you were involved:smile:
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Thank you ver y much sir.

Here is the link > http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=110843&highlight=Schon
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iowa_player said:
Dank have you seen this cue in person yet ?

Thanks ... Larry
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Larry,

I inspected this cue last week friday and I looked through the points which i wasn't sure if its constructed to be sharp points....But It looks to me that it has been constructed....The Stl4 is Pinoy's playing cue and i can guarantee you that my friend :)...i am sure this issue should be resolve in a civilize manner between you two....You and Pinoy have my respect :) ....I can guarantee you that the cue has been constructed however, I have to wait and see what Evan's thinks about the cue first which his the one who made the cue ......
 
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iowa_player said:
I just got a pm from a well respected member of the forum who sold a cue to this same buyer and went through the same headache . I hope and prey he will post his story here .


Larry
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Larry,


The well respected member don't have to explain his story...Danktrees and I inspected the cue and it wasn't described in his/her thread...so if I were that person i would suggest not to post his story at all :)
 
The Beginner said:
Larry,


The well respected member don't have to explain his story...Danktrees and I inspected the cue and it wasn't described in his/her thread...so if I were that person i would suggest not to post his story at all :)
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Well coming from you thats all the proof I need and I wont bring it up again and I am sorry that I brought it up in the first place .


Thanks for your input .

Larry
 
iowa_player said:
Well coming from you thats all the proof I need and I wont bring it up again and I am sorry that I brought it up in the first place .


Thanks for your input .

Larry
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Larry,


I am sure it's an honest mistake on your end which you still have my respect my friend :) You are still the top and well respected seller on my list :thumbup:
 
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The Beginner said:
Larry,


I am sure it's an honest mistake on your end which you still have my respect my friend :) You are still the top seller on my list :thumbup:
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Thanks bro. you have always been a great friend .
I cant wait to take this cue to Even my self and see if
he tells me it is an R2 as described in my thread .
I am not sure that I have made any mistake here i still
say I sold the cue as listed .

Larry
 
Its 2:02 am here in Iowa and im going to bed I will respond to this thread in the morning . i would like to thank a few members for there supportive post / pms / reps :smile:

Good Night Everyone :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:

Thanks ... Larry :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
 
iowa_player said:
Some one please tell me when they made round points with dashed ringwork . Any pictures or model numbers ?
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I can't really give you any pictures but once upon a time around 89-92 I had a black and white Schon catalog and price list. Schon would make any cue with dashed - they called them "fancy" rings for $25 per ring if I remember correctly. Any of their cues could have dash rings.

Or I might be mistaken and they were doing dash rings by default and silver rings were the fancy ones. In any case the option was there.

Danny Barrouty in New Jersey was my main man for Schon at the time. He has ALL the answers pertaining to Schon cues in the 80s/90s.
 
iowa_player said:
I just got a pm from a well respected member of the forum who sold a cue to this same buyer and went through the same headache . I hope and prey he will post his story here .


Larry
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it may have been a headache for him but it was his fault for selling a cue with cracks in the finish and a botched tip job on it without letting the buyer know.

it would be interesting if he posts the story. cuz as i recall he was cussing ryan out for no reason and criticizing ryan's pool playing abilities as if him sending ryan a messed up cue has anything to do with ryan's ability to run a table.
 
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iowa_player said:
...I cant wait to take this cue to Even my self and see...

Larry
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It's Evan, not Even.

-s

p.s. IMO it doesn't matter what you think about the cue, i_p, the buyer asked for and should get a refund. All this discussion is irrelevant, he's not satisfied, period.
 
I dont think the dispute is whether it is an R2 or not, but just not what the buyer thought it was. When you see the Schon's with sharp points, you think of them as being more valuable and more collectible. I have owned several Schons, older and newer. I like sharp points best. Wont go CNC ever again and if I had bought this cue I would be really pissed especially if I paid what I would call an inflated price for the CNC version. If the buyer had seen the rounded points, they may not have even thought about buying the cue.

I say full refund with shipping is the ONLY option.
 
Runde era shafts did have the stitch ringwork but did not have the Schon name imprinted in it.....
To me this would have been made after the Runde era................
 
subdude1974 said:
I dont think the dispute is whether it is an R2 or not, but just not what the buyer thought it was. When you see the Schon's with sharp points, you think of them as being more valuable and more collectible. I have owned several Schons, older and newer. I like sharp points best. Wont go CNC ever again and if I had bought this cue I would be really pissed especially if I paid what I would call an inflated price for the CNC version. If the buyer had seen the rounded points, they may not have even thought about buying the cue.

I say full refund with shipping is the ONLY option.
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Before I paid for the cue, I asked Larry if it is a Runde era schon and NOT a copy from recent years.. Here's the response:

"It is for sure a Runde .
Would you like to send an US Post Office Money Order ? For me that is better cuz PayPal fee's would be $18.75 . Please let me know .

Thanks ....... Larry 563-219-0499"
 
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