Canadian Hard Rock Maple shaft

poolplayer2093 said:
a joke? my cousin just sold me his tim scruggs and it has a fiberglass shaft. he said it's guaranteed not to warp
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So one shaft made from fiberglass your cousin has equates to most of the cuemakers now using graphite for shafts?

You will be taken more seriously if you don't repeat such absurd statements. I truly hoped it was a joke, but somehow I thought you were serious.

Some cuemakers have/do offer a graphite core within their maple shafts, but trust me, most cuemakers are most definitely NOT making graphite shafts.

Kelly
 
bdcues said:
First off, it has nothing to do with whether they have their own forrests or not. It has to do with making money. If they could not process the logs offshore, and sell them back cheaper than we could make them ourselves they would not be in business and the many mills in the NW that have closed would still be operational.
Second, show me where the Canadians pay import duty on roundwood (logs). Then show me where on any so called Canadian Hard Maple shafts you have ever bought from Canada it showed a tariff coming into America.
Third, show me proof that Canadian Hard Maple is better than Hard Maple from Michigan.
The Canadians buy our logs for the same reason the Japanese do - to make money. The U S exports 4 times as much wood into Canada as Canada does into the U S. They must be doing this for some reason. Mills and Lumber sellers in both Michigan and Maine ( where I buy my maple ) have told me about mills just over the boarder, buying logs and selling dimentional lumber back to us. They do it for the same reason so many things are now made in China - profit.
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I don't know what Canada charges or don't charge for things going into their country but I do know that the many times I've sold cues and motorcycle parts to Canadians, they always told me to put a much lower price on the invoice so that they never had to pay as much duty. I never said anything about there being a tariff on shafts coming INTO this country. I remember reading somewhere in the last year that Canada was protesting to NAFTA the tariff that the US was putting onto Canada for sending to much wood into this country hurting our lumber industry. Maple from the Mich. peninsula is nice would and over the years I bought much of it but do you really feel that maple, grown farther north with shorter growing seasons wouldn't have more growth rings and probably be a little superior? That's always been my understanding.

Dicks
 
Kelly_Guy said:
So one shaft made from fiberglass your cousin has equates to most of the cuemakers now using graphite for shafts?

You will be taken more seriously if you don't repeat such absurd statements. I truly hoped it was a joke, but somehow I thought you were serious.

Some cuemakers have/do offer a graphite core within their maple shafts, but trust me, most cuemakers are most definitely NOT making graphite shafts.

Kelly
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from what i can tell most cue makers if not all cue makers will be using fiberglass shafts by next year! if scruggs is doing it then everyone else can't be far behind.
 
shaftwood

its amazing that wood from mich and wisc and minn would be different from the wood 1 to 50 miles north of these states. is common sense not common anymore.
 
When I buy white shaft blanks I'm looking for hard "rock or sugar" maple and I don't care where its from as long as it stays straight and has a nice tight straight grain. Believe it or not the last good shaft blanks I got were over 5 years ago from birdseye creations out of the UP of Michigan. They were 1 1/2" blanks and took a couple of years to turn down but were really good.
 
rob@BPQ said:
its amazing that wood from mich and wisc and minn would be different from the wood 1 to 50 miles north of these states. is common sense not common anymore.
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You are correct, 1 to 50 miles shouldn't make a whole lot of difference. Thing is, Canada goes much farther north than 1 to 50 miles from the border. A lot of maple comes from Quebec which could be a 500 - 1000 miles north of Michigan. You don't agree that the farther north you go the shorter the growing season? I'm not a botanist. I'm just going from what I've been hearing for the last 50 years that Canadian maple is the best maple for shafts.

Dick
 
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/environment/forest/forestcanada/forestedecozones/1
What, Dick? You think maple grows on the tundra????
Here is a website that might give you a little better understanding of just where in Canada hard maple grows. If after reading this you still think that Canadian maple has a noticeablely shorter growing season, therefore more growth rings than that of the U/p of Michigan or upper Maine....I think your past help.
Also pay attention to the part about how the size of the forrest is shrinking and maybe you will get another idea of why Canadians buy maple from us.
And no, I was not referring just to the cue industry in my last post. But logs in any forrest seldom just go to one industry do they?
 
1000 miles north is about 58 degrees north latitude... or about even with Reykjavik, Iceland. Think they have maple trees growing there?
 
rob@BPQ said:
its amazing that wood from mich and wisc and minn would be different from the wood 1 to 50 miles north of these states. is common sense not common anymore.
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No, it's been replaced by advertizing dollars and heresay.

Rob, my brother lives in Panama City also... but he doesn't play pool. Ever go to the Park Out Back??

Bob
 
bdcues said:
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/environment/forest/forestcanada/forestedecozones/1
What, Dick? You think maple grows on the tundra????
Here is a website that might give you a little better understanding of just where in Canada hard maple grows. If after reading this you still think that Canadian maple has a noticeablely shorter growing season, therefore more growth rings than that of the U/p of Michigan or upper Maine....I think your past help.
Also pay attention to the part about how the size of the forrest is shrinking and maybe you will get another idea of why Canadians buy maple from us.
And no, I was not referring just to the cue industry in my last post. But logs in any forrest seldom just go to one industry do they?
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Well I guess I'm past help. I use nothing but Canadian Hard Rock Maple in my shafts because of a number of reasons the most important of which is because I believe it is a better maple, Period. That's my opinion and believe me, just because your opinion differs from mine you are not going to change mine. The blanks that I purchase are not picked through but the line count runs from 8 to about 30 with most around 15, straight grain and very little sugar. I bought blanks from the peninsula for 15 years from a number of the better dealers and was paying 4.00 more per blank then than what I'm paying today for Canadian with todays being a better quality. There's nothing wrong with the peninsulas maple but I like the Canadian. I don't like the north eastern at all. Although it is hard, what I have seen has to many highlights in the wood for me.

Dick
 
bdcues said:
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/environment/forest/forestcanada/forestedecozones/1
What, Dick? You think maple grows on the tundra????
Here is a website that might give you a little better understanding of just where in Canada hard maple grows. If after reading this you still think that Canadian maple has a noticeablely shorter growing season, therefore more growth rings than that of the U/p of Michigan or upper Maine....I think your past help.
Also pay attention to the part about how the size of the forrest is shrinking and maybe you will get another idea of why Canadians buy maple from us.
And no, I was not referring just to the cue industry in my last post. But logs in any forrest seldom just go to one industry do they?
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Well, I sure would hate to cloud up a good argument with facts,but here
are a few.

Many players prefer the Mich maple over New England maple because
it is whiter.

Many other players prefer the New England over the Mich because they
feel it has more 'spine'.

The Canadians seem to have maple that plays like the New England
but looks like the Mich.

SO, it isn't about how far North it grows, it's about how far East.

As always, YMMV.

Also, previously, you demandad proof from Dick about taxes, etc.

Hows about you pony up a bit of proof that anybody is importing
logs into Canada and selling them back to us as shaft blanks?

Dale
 
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pdcue said:
Well, I sure would hate to cloud up a good argument with facts,but here
are a few.

Many players prefer the Mich maple over New England maple because
it is whiter.

Many other players prefer the New England over the Mich because they
feel it has more 'spine'.

The Canadians seem to have maple that plays like the New England
but looks like the Mich.

SO, it isn't about how far North it grows, it's about how far East.

As always, YMMV.

Also, previously, you demandad proof from Dick about taxes, etc.

Hows about you pony up a bit of proof that anybody is importing
logs into Canada and selling them back to us as shaft blanks?

Dale
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Dale,

First the discussion was not about players preferring white, it was about being further north made superior wood. And according to your facts it would be further east having more spine - regardless of color, which is a personal preferance, unless it is vacuum dried too quickly which makes the wood softer, decreasing the spine.
Second, you could ask the same of Joey about his remark that there are those that have maple shipped from Canada to the US, cut it into shaft blanks and sell them as Michigan wood.
Just as I found the map of maple forests to show Dick that maple did not grow 1000 miles north of the boarder Dick can look up the tariffs himself. I also have bought shafts from Canada. The supplier marked them as furniture parts on the customs papers to keep from paying duty on them when they came into the US. As for getting anyone to admit one way or the other - you try calling them all and see if anyone admits to it. I have been told by wood dealers in Michigan and in Maine that the Canadians buy US logs, ship them over the boarder, process and return them to the US. Maybe they lied to me? Does this apply to shaft blank cutters? I don't know. When truckloads of logs go to a mill there are often many buyers vying for the logs with millers of shaft blanks probably not being the most abundant. Do they buy US logs? I don't know. I know that they look for the straightest grained logs they can find and doubt they care where they came from. I also know that we export way more maple into Canada than Canada imports into the US. Why might that be? Maybe you could look up the Chicago fire, The Great Michigan Fire and The Great Peshtigo Fire and find out what they all have to do with the general quality of maple from Michigan today????

Bob Danielson
 
bdcues said:
Dale,

First the discussion was not about players preferring white, it was about being further north made superior wood. And according to your facts it would be further east having more spine - regardless of color, which is a personal preferance, unless it is vacuum dried too quickly which makes the wood softer, decreasing the spine.
Second, you could ask the same of Joey about his remark that there are those that have maple shipped from Canada to the US, cut it into shaft blanks and sell them as Michigan wood.
Just as I found the map of maple forests to show Dick that maple did not grow 1000 miles north of the boarder Dick can look up the tariffs himself. I also have bought shafts from Canada. The supplier marked them as furniture parts on the customs papers to keep from paying duty on them when they came into the US. As for getting anyone to admit one way or the other - you try calling them all and see if anyone admits to it. I have been told by wood dealers in Michigan and in Maine that the Canadians buy US logs, ship them over the boarder, process and return them to the US. Maybe they lied to me? Does this apply to shaft blank cutters? I don't know. When truckloads of logs go to a mill there are often many buyers vying for the logs with millers of shaft blanks probably not being the most abundant. Do they buy US logs? I don't know. I know that they look for the straightest grained logs they can find and doubt they care where they came from. I also know that we export way more maple into Canada than Canada imports into the US. Why might that be? Maybe you could look up the Chicago fire, The Great Michigan Fire and The Great Peshtigo Fire and find out what they all have to do with the general quality of maple from Michigan today????

Bob Danielson
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Actually, the discussion WAS about cuemakers using Canadian maple,
untill you hi-jacked it with your own fanciful conspiracy theory about
Canadians allegedly re-gifting maple blanks to US cuemaskers, which
you now admit, you have'nt a clue whether they do or not.

But, thanks for stopping by.

Dale<who, unlike Bob, knows where to get the good blanks>
 
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The best shaft wood on the planet comes from michigan right below the bridge and south about 70 miles that whole area has the most outstanding wood you will ever find
 
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