Can't get my stroke straight. AARf

[Solartje]

update like promised.

First task completed. Had the qualification tournament for the finals of the Belgium National 8-ball Championship. Ive only managed to get qualified into the last32 once before. (last year with 9ball and a easy draw).

8 spots, 26 players, 12 top A players (2 european champions, international players, etc) , 12 players of my level (A/B+), 4 fish (B-/C).

I won all my matches 6-2, 6-3, 6-2 (2matches where my best results vs those players ever) and I qualified true the winnerside !! (so a better draw for the finals too).

Some friend told me they just think its a quickfix that will last a week and then dissapear. They refuse to believe you can get ALOT better in such a short time....

I hope they are wrong, and while time will tell, im enjoying EVERY single game and i'm finally getting some happyness back from the game. God knows pool is a love hate relationship, but I enjoy being around the table again. nothing more frustrating then playing daily, and miss back to back hangers.

:thumbup:

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Good news, it isn't a quick fix... bad news, it won't last. You will probably play some of the worst pool ever in the next couple months. This is when good practice will bring you out the other side an even better player. Improving is a real yo-yo journey.

 

[Solartje]

hi guys, update on the finals.

in short im dissapointed and not dissapointed. I finished 17th and won one match, so im more then happy with the final results, but i would prefere to have lost every match and play like i did in the qualifiers.

Stupid thing i did, was expecting alot... With the new stroke, i put the expectations to high, and when i finally arived and saw all the top players, i lost it. My arm was chaking like a leaf. I tried losening up some arm muscles, breathing exercises, but it would fade. On the pauze in the last stroking, feeling your arm tremble right before you pull the trigger is a horrible feeling.

second match i won because my oponent was even worse then me. I stole some important frames he should have won, and it gave me the mental advantage. He got angry and i didnt show the angry i had. I think this made me win it, and not my good play.

I was so tired from the qualifier and the 4year aniversary night with the wife, the 2 hour drive, i forgot about all i had learned here. When sitting down i always said to myself, DONT FORGET to check THIS AND THAT etC... and when i stood up, i had already forgotten it all..

then i had a 3 hour wait in between matches, so i closed my eyes for a hour, eat something, drink some coffee, and i was feeling better. Played alot better, but had some very bad roles and my oponent wasnt leaving me anything when he missed. scratched 3 times on the break (was alternate break) with 3 balls potted on each break and open table for my opponent, opening a cluster bumped the 8 in, i touched the CB twice during warmup strokes (HOW stupid can you be..) at least the pots where going in like butter, so thats all i wanted. TO bad all the rest didnt go well.

So dissapointed i didnt play my A game, but im glad i played in the finals, and i know what to do next time. Get to bed earlyer, dont expect anything from myself, and dont fear the players ( i was surprised at how many chances these top players gave me... maybe they where stressed too, but i found the level of play (exept 3 or 4 players) below average. I wont fear them anymore.


Yesterday i played for 2 hours, to see if the arm was still ok, and it wasnt. So back to the camera to check, and everything was still ok on the camera. I got frustrated and called it a day.

Today, same problem but after some thinking, i came to the result i wasnt stroking nicely. The arm was still perfectly straight but i wasnt stroking well, so changed that, and its back ok.

I'll have to play 2 hours EVERY SINGLE day till this summer, PURELY concentrating on my straight arm and fluid stroke. I'll have too. I know that being off the green for 2days could rune all the work, so ill just shoot some straight in shots and only think about center ball hit, good position , straight arm and fluid stroke.

I still hope to win the state championship this weekend but this time I wont expect to win. Ill just concentrate on my stroke and not the BIG finals i have been playing for a year to get there I'm done with auto-pressurising myself.

 

[Phoenixblade]

Alex Pagulayan stroke

You want snooker stroke and billiard stroke to be come 1...This is my advice to you..Watch all the videos of Alex Pagulayan...he has the combination of snooker and Filipino style of stroke:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[greyghost]

dead crab you might not be an instructor.....

Dead crab you found a major and overlooked mechanical flaw the is such the simple fix it evades the majority, as everyone knows you can do everything wrong and get out with the best in the world, look at Davis’s dropping elbow (it drives me insane).

Back to the point, when the thumb is not pointed down on the grip hand it usually naturally seems to always want to point away from you say you are a lefty, well then Mr. thumb is going to be angled to the left, what this does is it evokes another axis to pivot off of, the elbow only pivots one way back and forth, but the shoulder has that 360 degree motion well so does the wrist,

I could go on an on with a scientific explanation but everyone here is smart enough to understand this concept, when you point the thumb straight down it wants to keep the wrist square with it, thus keeping you more square with the shot.

A friend who never wanted to listen to any helpers was having a lot of trouble being in line and he's a solid 7 and he tried it and BAM threw out a lot of problems and issues he was frustrated in that one sentence, "point your thumb straight down” it blew him out of the water, because its just such a silly thing to be so influential.

Little advice for beginners or anyone that try's this you will see immediate improvement but because of the fact its different than your usual, expect to be uncomfortable with it for a while. Just stay aware and soon enough you wont even have to think about it anymore. That’s all its about guys we are slaves to our habits, as such let us be slaves to good habits.

Oh almost forgot, glad to have the edit button lol, the thumb should not wrap around the cue no bend in that thumb that’s part of the reason everyone kills the grip they got the thumb wrapped, pretend like its a piece of flat steel that’s just butted up to it, and trust it completely you will find yourself thinking "its too loose" or whatever but you want it loose

Why do you think the better and the best players seem to get so much action on the ball with such effortless hits, ITS THEIR WRIST ACTION, the completely straight thumb keeps your wrist square with the shot while allowing and actually promoting it to have that beautiful loose delivery and follow-through.

Its the same in baseball most people don’t even know how to hold a bat properly, like they going to hack through a tree with it, the correct grip is almost exactly the same as with a proper golf club grip, the only thing I did different was my thumbs pointed up the barrel but never interlocking the pinkie and index finger, it helps your wrists be most capable of breaking which is where the majority and best type of bat speed comes from, and I had a tendency to let my bottom pinkie wrap under the knob...mantle held it with that pinkie trick, but that’s just personal preferences.

Ted Williams held the bat with the correct hand position. Why so he could swat the hell out the ball. With your top knuckles lined up like most do incorrectly then the guy would have been called Sherman Williams because its impossible to do it that great without that wrist action.

So just like ball we want the wrist action it gives you a lot of power without having to produce it with your strength which gives you more accuracy and makes it look effortless.


Thanks for reading,
The Greyghost

 

[thefonz]

the seven

most great players maintain the "7" shape of their bridge arm through the shoulders and down the forarm. looks like your right shoulder is too low and near the cue, cutting down on your follow through distance and causing your arm to collapse at the end of your stroke (anatomy....everyones arm tends to swing out right (or left for a lefty) when the angle between ones forearm and bicep close. take a look at a profile photo of most pro's at address and you'll see what i mean. try shooting with you're body alittle more upright and see if that changes anything, i'd be suprised if it doesn't. being low with your chin to the cue is overrated anyhow for pool, i think you can generate a better hit on the ball from a more upright stance. most of the best shotmakers in pool have a more upright stance (deuel, hatch, morris, etc.) one other thing also, the only part of the stroke where straightness matters is when and after you hit the ball, it should be a conscious effort to cue through the ball, don't just throw the cue and your arm forward. good luck

 

[Solartje]

thanks for posting greyghost and thefonz. I actually think that alot of poolplayers would benefit form all the tips that have been given in here.

I also wanted to give an update. Its been 2 months, and its only getting better day by day. Im glad this is not a 'i got a new trick hype' like most of my friends thought, that makes u play lights out for 2 weeks and then just vanishes. (god knows i had many of them)

ive been playing pool for 3 years now, and in the last 2 months my game has increased more then i did in the 3 years before that. I can't imagine how i won matches with this stroke. The accuracy was barely as "good" as the opening of a cornerpocket in long shots, now i can chose wich side of the pocket om hitting. If i still DO miss a pot, 95% is because i use one of my old strokes.

Before: warmup took me 1 hour. from missing pots, to potting pots.
now: warmup takes me 10 minuts. from potting pots , to potting in the side of the pocket i chose. No Z shaft or any cue will ever give me this improvement, and it was totally free

thanks AZB

 

[greyghost]

thanks for posting greyghost and thefonz. I actually think that alot of poolplayers would benefit form all the tips that have been given in here.

I also wanted to give an update. Its been 2 months, and its only getting better day by day. Im glad this is not a 'i got a new trick hype' like most of my friends thought, that makes u play lights out for 2 weeks and then just vanishes. (god knows i had many of them)

ive been playing pool for 3 years now, and in the last 2 months my game has increased more then i did in the 3 years before that. I can't imagine how i won matches with this stroke. The accuracy was barely as "good" as the opening of a cornerpocket in long shots, now i can chose wich side of the pocket om hitting. If i still DO miss a pot, 95% is because i use one of my old strokes.

Before: warmup took me 1 hour. from missing pots, to potting pots.
now: warmup takes me 10 minuts. from potting pots , to potting in the side of the pocket i chose. No Z shaft or any cue will ever give me this improvement, and it was totally free

thanks AZB

No problem brother, glad to hear your improving as such. It can be a difficult process. Many times someone tries to diagnose a problem and the "FIX" helps like you said temporary. Problem is in the diagnosis we may think the problem lies "here" but it actually lies somewhere else.

By correcting the wrong thing you ruin other parts. Thats what is so great about a routine...once you learn it properly and your mechanics are correct, then you can properly tell what was wrong with the shot at hand.

Just like that thumb, a player might swear his arms crooked or he's standing wrong so he adjusts all over the place. When it was just a crooked wrist all along, which just throws another rotational axis into the picture.

My girl loves that movie Ratatouie about the rat who can cook...it says anyone can cook. I really believe that, and its the same in pool/billiards, anyone can play and play great....it just takes a little patience, practice, and a constant stride for becoming a good student of the game.

So just keep sitting in the front of the class friend. Don't ever be scared to ask anything, and if no one else can or will give ya a hand, the ghost with the most is always the man to ask, understand?

Thats a good rhyme..lmfao



For a better game,
Grey Ghost

 

[SpiderWebComm]

hi guys, update on the finals.

in short im dissapointed and not dissapointed. I finished 17th and won one match, so im more then happy with the final results, but i would prefere to have lost every match and play like i did in the qualifiers.

Stupid thing i did, was expecting alot... With the new stroke, i put the expectations to high, and when i finally arived and saw all the top players, i lost it. My arm was chaking like a leaf. I tried losening up some arm muscles, breathing exercises, but it would fade. On the pauze in the last stroking, feeling your arm tremble right before you pull the trigger is a horrible feeling.

second match i won because my oponent was even worse then me. I stole some important frames he should have won, and it gave me the mental advantage. He got angry and i didnt show the angry i had. I think this made me win it, and not my good play.

I was so tired from the qualifier and the 4year aniversary night with the wife, the 2 hour drive, i forgot about all i had learned here. When sitting down i always said to myself, DONT FORGET to check THIS AND THAT etC... and when i stood up, i had already forgotten it all..

then i had a 3 hour wait in between matches, so i closed my eyes for a hour, eat something, drink some coffee, and i was feeling better. Played alot better, but had some very bad roles and my oponent wasnt leaving me anything when he missed. scratched 3 times on the break (was alternate break) with 3 balls potted on each break and open table for my opponent, opening a cluster bumped the 8 in, i touched the CB twice during warmup strokes (HOW stupid can you be..) at least the pots where going in like butter, so thats all i wanted. TO bad all the rest didnt go well.

So dissapointed i didnt play my A game, but im glad i played in the finals, and i know what to do next time. Get to bed earlyer, dont expect anything from myself, and dont fear the players ( i was surprised at how many chances these top players gave me... maybe they where stressed too, but i found the level of play (exept 3 or 4 players) below average. I wont fear them anymore.


Yesterday i played for 2 hours, to see if the arm was still ok, and it wasnt. So back to the camera to check, and everything was still ok on the camera. I got frustrated and called it a day.

Today, same problem but after some thinking, i came to the result i wasnt stroking nicely. The arm was still perfectly straight but i wasnt stroking well, so changed that, and its back ok.

I'll have to play 2 hours EVERY SINGLE day till this summer, PURELY concentrating on my straight arm and fluid stroke. I'll have too. I know that being off the green for 2days could rune all the work, so ill just shoot some straight in shots and only think about center ball hit, good position , straight arm and fluid stroke.

I still hope to win the state championship this weekend but this time I wont expect to win. Ill just concentrate on my stroke and not the BIG finals i have been playing for a year to get there I'm done with auto-pressurising myself.

A friend of mine had the same problem as you and we lucked upon something.....

We found his cue steering stopped immediately if he stared at the cue ball and forgot about the OB. The moment his eyes locked on the OB, his cue would steer out on the final shot. If he only focused on the CB.... LASER straight.

Not saying this is the case with you, but maybe your mechanics are better than you think and your brain is sending your arm out to make an unneeded adjustment? Setup a long dead straight-in and shoot a few looking at the CB last (NOT saying for you to shoot that way, but do it as a way to diagnose).

I understand you've come around to fix this issue for the most part, but if the crooked stroke returns--- focus on the CB only to see if you stroke straight through that...your brain is a pain in the ass when it comes to pool...if it weren't for the brain, we'd all be on tour.

 

[Solartje]

A friend of mine had the same problem as you and we lucked upon something.....

We found his cue steering stopped immediately if he stared at the cue ball and forgot about the OB. The moment his eyes locked on the OB, his cue would steer out on the final shot. If he only focused on the CB.... LASER straight.

Not saying this is the case with you, but maybe your mechanics are better than you think and your brain is sending your arm out to make an unneeded adjustment? Setup a long dead straight-in and shoot a few looking at the CB last (NOT saying for you to shoot that way, but do it as a way to diagnose).

I understand you've come around to fix this issue for the most part, but if the crooked stroke returns--- focus on the CB only to see if you stroke straight through that...your brain is a pain in the ass when it comes to pool...if it weren't for the brain, we'd all be on tour.

Hey spider. I had tested this before some time before i made this post. (I dont know if you remember my post about the quiet eye, but you should read it if not.) Believe me, i have been "fixing" for 3 years without any consistant result, accept from now.

If a friend comes to me with problems about his stroke, i always advice them this thread. ITs FULL of usefull comments. If you have a stroke problem the chances are big that the solution is posted in here somewhere.

You are SO right, when you say that we fix everything we THINK is wrong, and screw up our game totally (i always thought it was just the initial "getting used to it" that made me play bad and i just had to hang in there). some fixes probably did help me play better, just because i consciously thought about the influence they can have, but they weren't the real problem.

i also delayed my elbow dropping just a split second, to be SURE it wasnt influencing the stroke before the contact with the ob. I still do drop the elbow to prevent the hitting the chest and it just feels more natural when im cueing low.

This weekend i played in a 2day marathon tournament. 15hour untill the finals where played. I played 13hours and lost in the quarter finals vs the winner of the tournament who missed 1 ball in the entire match. i run out 3 racks and got beaten 3-7 best score someone made that day vs her. also its the 2d highest place i ever achieved since i started playing.

MAN this game is fun, once the stroke is straight !!!

Im enjoying it so much, that after the 13hours, i went home and played another 8hours on my diamond baby. If i ever win my first tournament, ill dedicate it to you guys !!

 

[theUBC]

training aid for checking your stroke and alignment

Hi Solartje,

I am glad you have seemed to fix your stroke. I have invented a tool to check your alignment and stroke. It is dead simple but it has helped many players already. When our body and cue is not aligned perfectly our subconscious wants to correct this. This leads to steering. Another point is that you should not touch the cue with your index finger when your going to play a draw stroke and your going far through the cue ball-athourwise your gonna steer each time.
I post you a link to the training aid: (Ultimate billiard coach)

Best EKKES

http://infinite-billiards.com/en/The_UBC.html

 

[greyghost]

here we go again, hey fella if your gonna try and sell people snake oil then do it in the FOR SALE SECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John Biddle]

Greyghost,

I think you are being totally unfair to theUBC. Though you didn't say so, it seems that you are slamming this device without having had any personal experience with it. If you have used the device then specific comments would add to this discussion. But if you haven't then you should cut the guy some slack.

I have used the Ultimate Billiard Coach, in fact I reviewed it on my website

Poolstudent's Review of the Ultimate Billiard Coach

and it does an excellent job at helping you align yourself properly. Once you do that, you are in a much better position to improve the rest of your game.

theUBC is not spamming in my opinion. His device is directly relevant to this discussion, just like an instructional tape or a book would be. I don't know where your anger comes from but I think it's inappropriate in this case, and in the other instance where you said essentially the same thing.

 

[greyghost]

Greyghost,

I think you are being totally unfair to theUBC. Though you didn't say so, it seems that you are slamming this device without having had any personal experience with it. If you have used the device then specific comments would add to this discussion. But if you haven't then you should cut the guy some slack.

I have used the Ultimate Billiard Coach, in fact I reviewed it on my website

Poolstudent's Review of the Ultimate Billiard Coach

and it does an excellent job at helping you align yourself properly. Once you do that, you are in a much better position to improve the rest of your game.

theUBC is not spamming in my opinion. His device is directly relevant to this discussion, just like an instructional tape or a book would be. I don't know where your anger comes from but I think it's inappropriate in this case, and in the other instance where you said essentially the same thing.

its aggravating because we have rules on this forum, and things that are for sale go in the for sale section, we just went through this with another person, and a person b/f that, and someone b/f that. If your going to post then read the rules, maybe his device is excellent I see that for the stroke it could possibly be a good gadget. But none of that matters, it doesn't belong here. You got master instructors on this forum and this is for instrucition not for come buy my product, there is a place specifically for that. I find stuff like that disrespectful and uncooth to everyone here and more so to the professional instructors trying to help all the learning players on this site. You let one person do that, and they all are going to take over. So no disrespect, but he went where others have gone before and they got bitten too. And as for the other post, he posted that on a STANCE question and that device tho it could help you attain a correct stroke, it has nothing to do with the stance. It's not going to show you how to adjust your feet, and secondly when even Scott Lee says it didn't belong there, you should just agree with him, like I said there are some of the best instructors on here, trying to do their jobs for FREE.

I pity the fool, (just a joke, not trying to start a mess)
The Mr. T of AZ:wink:


PS:just everyone follow forum rules...without them its like fast larry all over again, and i know we don't want that.

 

[John Biddle]

Greyghost, per this excerpt from your post:

its aggravating because we have rules on this forum, and things that are for sale go in the for sale section, we just went through this with another person, and a person b/f that, and someone b/f that. If your going to post then read the rules, maybe his device is excellent I see that for the stroke it could possibly be a good gadget. But none of that matters, it doesn't belong here. You got master instructors on this forum and this is for instrucition not for come buy my product, there is a place specifically for that. I find stuff like that disrespectful and uncooth to everyone here and more so to the professional instructors trying to help all the learning players on this site. You let one person do that, and they all are going to take over. So no disrespect, but he went where others have gone before and they got bitten too.

Would you be so kind as to point me to the posting rules you keep referring to? I can't seem to find them.

In the Instructors thread link on the main forum page it just says "We have many excellent instructors here on AzB. Ask your questions here."

There are no sticky posts on this thread either, so there doesn't seem to be any restriction against someone posting about a device, even one they themselves sell, which has the purpose of improving a person's stroke.

There is a sticky post in the main forum titled forum rules, but the only relevant portion I could find said that items for sale had to be pool related. It did not refer to where they could be referenced.

The inventor of the device in question, Ekkhard Schneider-Lombard, is an instructor, and runs the United Billiards Academy in Regensburg, Germany along with Bernd Jahnke. Jahnke is a 12 time European Pool champion and winner of the overall Eurotour ranking. That would seem to qualify him to post in this thread, not that qualifications are required or I (and possibly you) would have to be lurkers.

Thanks in advance for pointing me to the rules, as I am not interested in harming AZB in any way. It's a fantastic resource for all pool players. I just want to be sure that the rules you're asking/demanding people follow are AZB's rules, not your own.

 

[greyghost]

some one asked me what i meant with the technique of pointing the thumb down to straighten the stroke...i hadn't had the chance so i did my best with a cylinder if found offshore on my platform.

here is the pic, you can clearly see how the thumb is positioned. With the thumb wrapped it can cause a the wrist to cock to one side or the other, with it cocked no matter how much you have a straight delivery with the forarm you will still end up with a parabolic stroke. With the thumb down you can routinely product a straight stroke. Since your not fighting your own bodys mechanics. You should have a straight line from your back shoulder down to the hand and throught the striaght finger pointed to your back foot vertically, and horizontally it will all line up through the shoulder, elbow, hand, finger, front foot to the bridge hand. WHen you do this your going to be aligned and wont fight the mechanics, and will help your ball pocketing skills. Just remember the thump don't wrap it just sits on the side of the cue straight down to the back foot. If you want you can tie some crab string from your shoulder to and your back foot, and everything should fall in line. lol crap string is 1$

For a better game,
Grey Ghost

 

[Randy9Ball]

some one asked me what i meant with the technique of pointing the thumb down to straighten the stroke...i hadn't had the chance so i did my best with a cylinder if found offshore on my platform.

here is the pic, you can clearly see how the thumb is positioned. With the thumb wrapped it can cause a the wrist to cock to one side or the other, with it cocked no matter how much you have a straight delivery with the forarm you will still end up with a parabolic stroke. With the thumb down you can routinely product a straight stroke. Since your not fighting your own bodys mechanics. You should have a straight line from your back shoulder down to the hand and throught the striaght finger pointed to your back foot vertically, and horizontally it will all line up through the shoulder, elbow, hand, finger, front foot to the bridge hand. WHen you do this your going to be aligned and wont fight the mechanics, and will help your ball pocketing skills. Just remember the thump don't wrap it just sits on the side of the cue straight down to the back foot. If you want you can tie some crab string from your shoulder to and your back foot, and everything should fall in line. lol crap string is 1$

For a better game,
Grey Ghost

I believe the picture of Mika on the AZB Home page correctly reflects this thumb position you have described. Mika's thumb is straight down and not wrapped around the cue.

Regards,

Randy

 

[greyghost]

I believe the picture of Mika on the AZB Home page correctly reflects this thumb position you have described. Mika's thumb is straight down and not wrapped around the cue.

Regards,

Randy

yea but can he do it wearing a jacket, hardhat, and using and aerosol can LMAO

 

[Solartje]

been away for some time, but all i can say is that many of the things have sticked.

the thumb defently helped alot.
I added one thing in the last month that has been briefly described, but that i have been testing with ALOT, and that was the final missing link to my stroke problem.

position of my feeth. Its not the angle, the distance between them, but more there position in distance to the bridge hand. I have been checking out mechanics of the topplayers i can see playing, and when i tried there feet position, it was only posible if i stood further then i did before.

i draw many lines around my feet on the floor, and check wich had the best result, and still feel confortable and stable.

now i have them ecactly memorised. When i lay down my cue in the lign of sight, with the tip at 6-8" from the cb, i place my backfeet exactly under the bumper of my cue. That what has the best result for me. A/ it makes sure my feet and arm are aligned, b/ it makes sure im not leaning tomuch forward when bending down and it leaves more space for my griphand to folow trough.

ps: more info on results. I dont remember when i started this post, but till now its still working and becoming better. so not a quick fix, and ive been playing better and better.

i've managed to get enough rankingpoints, to go from B rankings, to A rankings. I thought i wouldnt be able to mach up with the topguys, but i have been beating some top12 players, and my biggest loss was 4-6. i'm beating players i never did before, Ive climbed up the rankings, and im now 20th ranked in my country, and i finally beat the ghost in 9ball last night in a race to 6 in my first try. made two 3packs and missed twice on the last 2 balls. Pool just looks so simple right now. OFcourse my position play is now behind, and ill be working on that, but on pot %, im MORE then satisfied.

now i know why those 3 months of thousands of straight in shots where worth it.

solly the happy new A ranking player

 

[greyghost]

been away for some time, but all i can say is that many of the things have sticked.

the thumb defently helped alot.
I added one thing in the last month that has been briefly described, but that i have been testing with ALOT, and that was the final missing link to my stroke problem.

position of my feeth. Its not the angle, the distance between them, but more there position in distance to the bridge hand. I have been checking out mechanics of the topplayers i can see playing, and when i tried there feet position, it was only posible if i stood further then i did before.

i draw many lines around my feet on the floor, and check wich had the best result, and still feel confortable and stable.

now i have them ecactly memorised. When i lay down my cue in the lign of sight, with the tip at 6-8" from the cb, i place my backfeet exactly under the bumper of my cue. That what has the best result for me. A/ it makes sure my feet and arm are aligned, b/ it makes sure im not leaning tomuch forward when bending down and it leaves more space for my griphand to folow trough.

ps: more info on results. I dont remember when i started this post, but till now its still working and becoming better. so not a quick fix, and ive been playing better and better.

i've managed to get enough rankingpoints, to go from B rankings, to A rankings. I thought i wouldnt be able to mach up with the topguys, but i have been beating some top12 players, and my biggest loss was 4-6. i'm beating players i never did before, Ive climbed up the rankings, and im now 20th ranked in my country, and i finally beat the ghost in 9ball last night in a race to 6 in my first try. made two 3packs and missed twice on the last 2 balls. Pool just looks so simple right now. OFcourse my position play is now behind, and ill be working on that, but on pot %, im MORE then satisfied.

now i know why those 3 months of thousands of straight in shots where worth it.

solly the happy new A ranking player

your doing almost the exact thing I do, instead of putting the cue tip 6-8" away from the ball, put the tip under the shadow, or say 1".

1)Hold cue where you are going to shoot with it on the backhand.

2)Place the back of your hand (pinkie area) on the side seam of your jeans on the pocket.

3)Keep it there and DO NOT REMOVE IT.

4) when you find your proper alignment, step in the the shot and place your hand down with the lead arm almost but not quite fully extended.

5) Take the back step to adjust your weight distrubution...NOW WATCH....

YOUR HAND AUTOMATICALY COMES OFF YOUR HIP, DIRECTLY UNDER THE SHOULDER, THUMB DOWN.

YOUR LEAD HAND IS GOING TO BE AUTOMATICALLY POSITIONED TO AN OPTIMUM POINT (6-8":smile

This works off a persons natural attributes, where ever you hold the cue the back hand will always be right, and the front hand will be automatic too.

Your going to look like your doing the robot, but your gonna be running out like one too

Glad to hear your game has improved partner, congratulations on all the hard work you put into it. Greenies to you.

Grey Ghost