Case choice - need your feedback pls

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Justis, Murnak, Whitten, JB Cases ... I'm debating to get one of these but since I've only seen a Justis from close distance, I could use some feedback. Not looking for anything special when it comes to tooling, just interested in protection

Pro's and Con's would be much appreciated
 
Not to sound Biased but for the money you will spend and the quality of the product contact Sterling gaming and get a Wave case if you just want a case, BUT if you are looking for something a bit nicer you can not go wrong with a JB J. Flowers case. I would recommend either the soft or tube style. Product is top notch for what little you pay!!
 
From the list you have provided, you will not go wrong with any one of those cases. They are all excellent! Personally, I have a Murnak 3x6 from his Vintage line.

Good Luck,

Randy
 
I see from your signature you're using an instroke 2x3 buffalo case. That's pretty good protection right there. The Sterling wave case that was mentioned is also top notch in protection for the money.

Instroke was John Barton's company in the past, and now John has been working with Sterling Cases. If you're looking for the best protection and have the cash then i recommend a JB case.

http://www.jbcases.com/protection.html

- from a JB fan
 
I have a Justis and a Murnak. They are both excellent cases with top quality construction. They have their advantages and disadvantages, though.

The Justis pockets aren't all that deep. Neither a cue extender nor a Justa-bridge will fit. On the other hand, it is very lightweight (the pro-lite models). It will protect the cues fine unless you have a bus run over it.

The disadvantage of the Murnak is that it is on the heavier side. It uses individual plastic tubes (PVC?) and maybe you could have a bus run over it. Murnak pockets will fit a Tony Ryan extender and a Justa-bridge.

Most of the time, though, I find myself using a Matcase 1x2 leather envelope case. You only need one cue for straight pool and it's extremely lightweight. I don't set it down in the path of buses.
 
thanks everyone for your feedback

for the past 2 years I've been using Instroke and been very happy with the quality/protection. I'm thinking about getting something custom and I see that Justis is preferred by many of the top players. Not that this will be a factor in my decision ...

if only Instroke will customize their cases ;)
 
I have a justis (2x4), buffalo instroke (3x5), newer george (3x6), and gtf (2x4). I'm using the instroke for storage. I switch between the other cases depending on how I feel. My primary case is the george because you can carry everything you will ever need and more (great for tournaments).

If I am going out for the night and don't need everything, I use the gtf. The long pocket is deep enough for a justabridge and jump cue butt. The weak thing on the gtf is the strap which has come unsnapped several times while carrying. The first time the case took a pretty good tumble but the cues were protected. The cues simply do not move or rattle.
 
Murnak is good enough for me.......

All you listed are great choices, just keep in mind that when you ORDER a custom case to measure exactly how long your cue's butts are with and without joint protectors and also what kind of accessories you like carrying with you at all times so that the case maker knows how deep/wide/long the pockets will be. That way you get a case that is fit perfectly to your needs.
 
I love my Murnak 2x4... Aside from being GORGEOUS, the storage capacity is incomparable to any other case I've had. It holds my playing cue and break cue, it has a jump cue pocket for my Jacoby jumper, but most importantly, the "document" pocket holds both butt ends of my Predator Air. The pockets are deep and easy to access, as well. It's also sturdy, and sure it's a little heavy, but I'm small and have absolutely no problem carrying it, not even on trips or walking around the Riv in Vegas.

And speaking of pros' cases, Jim Murnak has created cases for Tony Robles, Jennifer Barretta, Earl Strickland, and George "Ginky" SanSouci.
 
From my website: http://www.jbcases.com/protection.html

Protection Matters:

Ok, let's talk about what "protection" means to me and you will see my reasons for being such a stickler in this area.

A pool cue is a fairly fragile instrument as far as sports equipment goes. It's long and thin and held together in three pieces or more by glue and pins. Cuemakers go to great lengths to make all those parts fit together with close tolerances. They spend a lot of time figuring out ways to make all those parts stay together as well. Wood likes to move, it's a natural celluar thing that expands when it's hot and contracts when it's cold. It doesn't play well when glued to metal and plastic which are all elements of most cues. A modern pool cue is in fact a well engineered piece of equipment.

So naturally it's not a good thing when this fairly fragile piece of equipment with it's three or four joints is banged around like drumsticks. When a cue case is not padded inside to prevent excess movement it means that every time the case is jostled then the cue hits the walls of the tube or other cue parts. Imagine hitting a pothole while driving and your cue is in the case in the back seat of the car. Your cue just bounced hard against the tube walls several times. So don't be surprised when it develops a little noise here and there from the hairline cracks at the joints.

So the first thing I do is wrap the cue in padding that keeps it from moving excessively. So the cue and the case move in unison and the cue stays firmly in place when the case is moved.

Now some folks maintain that protection doesn't matter - looks of the case are more important as long as the case does an adequate job of holding the cue. Well we defintely disagree on what "adequate" is. In my mind when you are building a cue case and you can make sure that the cue is held securely then you SHOULD do it. Some of my case making colleagues who build stunning works of art don't really pay that much attention to the interior. For some reason a lot of case makers consider it a real chore to build the interiors and so consequently they don't put a lot of effort into it. Then they go on to justify the way they make the interiors as either "good enough" or invent reasons why they do this way or that way. Things like the cue should breath so that's why we let it rattle. - Yeah, that's why cases for violins and guitars are always form fitted right? That's why the best cue makers transport their cues in flight cases where each cue is sitting in form-fitted layers of foam rubber. Try telling a person who owns a high end camera that it's ok if his camera bounces against the hard walls of a box while the car is bouncing down a dirt road.

I find it funny that people will buy and use padded cases for gear that costs a lot less than high end cues and then turn around and put their very expensive cues in a case that allows it to rattle around and fall out if the case is inverted with the lid open. I think that they do this for two reasons, one is that they assume that the case maker thought about this and provided proper protection, and two they don't make the connection between finish problems, hairline cracks, and warpage with their case. They never look at the case with a truly critical eye and ask themselves, is this case really protecting my cue as well as it should?

Ok so what kinds of things does a cue case need to protect a cue from? To me these are the main things;

Impact - fairly simple here, you can't play well or at all with a broken cue. So a case should provide padding around the cue to make sure it has some cushion.

Temperature Change - sudden exposure to different temperatures can wreak havoc on a cue. The last thing you want is the cue rapidly expanding or contracting due to sudden exposure to heat or cold. A good case provides some insulation against sudden temperature change.

Humidty - This one operates in conjunture with temperature change. You want to keep your cue at a constant humidity level, not too dry, not too wet. When you put your cue into your case at room temperature you want it to retain enough humidty to stay stable, not take on excess humidty and not lose much either.

Accidental Removal - this is my pet peeve. I like the cue to be held snugly in the case so that it won't come out until you deliberately pull it out. In the event that you case should become inverted you don't want all your cues clattering on the ground. Of course this doesn't happen often but when it does and your case doesn't stop it you will think about what I said here as you are looking at a major ding or scratch or joint pin damage, etc.....

So, if you really value your cue and want to keep it in pristine condition, internally and externally, then you will take a moment to inspect the cue cases you own and see if they really are taking care of your cues in all situations.

Protection Matters. There are tons of pretty cases out there. Very few of them protect cues as well as they should and a lot of them actually harm the cue.

On that note let me put this warning out to those of you who are considering buying knockoffs of major brands. I am speaking of knockoffs of Instroke, Whitten, and Justis specifically. The people who make these knockoffs don't care about your cue at all. Their focus is to make a knockoff at the lowest possible price so that they can sell them far cheaper than the orginals. This is alright for the buyer when they are buying a knockoff T-shirt. The shirt might be a little uncomfortable and might fall apart in the wash after five washings but it isn't going damage anything unless the color bleeds all over your best jeans...... but a poorly made cue case can do some real damage to your cue internally and to the finish.

On a top-loading cue case you cannot see below the surface and you can't see past the first couple inches of the interior. The way they are built it is quite easy for the manufacturer to take all kinds of shortcuts and be negligent in the construction and you won't see it until your cue is damaged and you happen to make the connection that the case might be at fault. You won't know that the handles are poorly done until the rivets begin to give way because the manufactuer does not realize that they need to reinforce those stress points and knows how to do it in the correct way.

You won't see a line of hard beads where the foam squeezed through the liner until you notice a funny series of dings in your finish. The scratches on the finish could be caused by broken pieces of foam floating freely in the case.

I had a beautiful unique Joss cue. This was a cue made by Danny Janes just for me. I wanted to take it to Mark Smith Cues to be refiinished. I grabbed the nearest case to me which happened to be a Vincintore (Bentley) Whitten knockoff that I had taken in on trade. This was a brand new, never used case. I put my Joss butt into the case and the bottom came off and the cue slid through the open hole at the bottom through a ring of nail points, scratching it up from the buttcap over the wrap and into the forearm. The bottom of the case was made with cheap particle board that had splintered from the nails being driven into it.

In contrast for example, we insure that the bottom of each cavity has EVA foam rubber in it to cushion the cue when it's inserted into the case. The bottom caps are form fitted so that they make a nice seal with the tubes. Then we glue the bottom into the case. Then we drill pilot holes and use barbed nails to hold the bottom in place. By making it a solid unit we insure that it will not fail and will not work it's way loose. This is something that you do not have to worry about with cases which have earned a reputation for high quality.

With knockoffs you can be 100% certain that the makers have done as little as they can get away with to satisfy their customers, the importers who then prey on the ignorant. At the end of the day you may save some money up front by purchasing a knockoff but sooner or later you will regret it with a repair bill for either the cues or the case. With a quality orginal you get the protection and top quality workmanship from day one of ownership through the lifetime of the case.

It's a fact that whatever we build starts disintegrating from the moment we finish it. Material is expanding and contracting and getting tugged on - stress points are being stressed - hinges are creasing - sewn parts are trying to come apart -

So we and all top quality case makers go to extra lengths to insure that the case can withstand all the stress that regular and even irregular use puts on it. Knockoff makers don't do this. They build cheap because they don't have a reputation to uphold, they don't have a responsibility to the consumer or his cues.

Okay, fine so what do we do exactly that makes JB Cases and JB designed cases "so much better" than everyone else's?

We care. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. We care about your cue, we care about your comfort, we care that you don't want to worry about your cue or your case. Other high end case makers care too, but we really care. :-)

We reinforce all the stress points, we use soft but strong fabric that won't wear out and won't scratch or ding your cue.

We put high density EVA foam rubber in the bottoms of the interiors to insure no damage

We make all the handles and straps comfortable to hold and easy to wear.

We put grippy pads on the shoulder straps so the case stays in place on your shoulder.

Our fabric doesn't absorb moisture like felt does.

Our foam rubber is high grade and doesn't crumble and disintegrate.

We make our own interiors from top to bottom and so we control the whole process.

Our tubes are of a much higher grade than other case maker's tubes.

We constantly are inventing new and better ways to make every aspect of the cue case.

So that's pretty much it for my view on how a cue case should be built. I am not in this to win beauty contests. If you flip your car and are lucky enough to walk away from it I want your cues to survive it as well. If you forget to latch your case and drop slip on ice outside the poolroom your cues should not fly out of the case into the snowbank. If you forget to put the case in the car and leave it on the roof and it falls off and get run over then your cues should be ok. If you get caught in the rain then your cues should stay dry. If your 300lb wife gets upset and dropkicks your case as it is leaning against the wall you should expect that your cues will live through it. These are all situations that are real and have happened to either my cases or my competitor's cases.

So although protection is relative and each person has different expectations of what is adequate there are clear differences in cue cases and those differences are worth learning about in my opinion.

What would I carry if I didn't build cue cases? If Instroke had never existed then I probably would be carrying either my old Porper or a J.EF Q Case (also known as Jay Flowers). Of course I woudn't turn down a Murnak, Justis, Whitten, Bonner, or any number of other great cases currently available.

No matter what you buy at least you know what I think is important and if you agree then you can make an informed choice.

Thanks for reading,

John Barton
 
No one has mentioned

Ron Thomas, but I think he makes a good case too, and very nice looking.
 
Justis, Murnak, Whitten, JB Cases ... I'm debating to get one of these but since I've only seen a Justis from close distance, I could use some feedback. Not looking for anything special when it comes to tooling, just interested in protection

Pro's and Con's would be much appreciated

If I were you I would buy Canadian or American you can get all the quality you will ever need and invest in your own future.;)
 
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They all make great cases but I'd go with JB. More choices and a great interior.... a superior interior. Nuff said.
 
Not to sound Biased but for the money you will spend and the quality of the product contact Sterling gaming and get a Wave case if you just want a case, BUT if you are looking for something a bit nicer you can not go wrong with a JB J. Flowers case. I would recommend either the soft or tube style. Product is top notch for what little you pay!!

Had Justis pro-lite, and it's very nice looking & very lite but prefer tie fitted interior case
Seen few Murnak cases and they look, feel, very nice but indeed on heavier side.

Curently using a JB flower tribute case, and it's very nice, tie fit inside, sturdy and it's inexpensive compare to others! I'd highly recommend it
 
I love my Murnak 2x4... Aside from being GORGEOUS, the storage capacity is incomparable to any other case I've had. It holds my playing cue and break cue, it has a jump cue pocket for my Jacoby jumper, but most importantly, the "document" pocket holds both butt ends of my Predator Air. The pockets are deep and easy to access, as well. It's also sturdy, and sure it's a little heavy, but I'm small and have absolutely no problem carrying it, not even on trips or walking around the Riv in Vegas.

And speaking of pros' cases, Jim Murnak has created cases for Tony Robles, Jennifer Barretta, Earl Strickland, and George "Ginky" SanSouci.

Would you be able to post a photo of your Murnack case please? I am interested in seeing the pocket configuration you chose that gave you all that room, as I am thinking of ordering one of his cases.
 
Joe... My case holds two butts and four shafts, has three accessory pockets in the front, has a jump cue pocket on one side, and "document pocket" on the other that fits the two butts from the Predator Air.
 

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Joe - my Murnak is also a 2x4 but is in his hybrid line. As I said in an earlier post, the large pocket will fit a Tony Ryan extender and a Justa-bridge. It also has a jump cue pocket on the side and a document pocket on the other side. Pic of my case below (taken from Murnak's website).

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I thought Jack makes his cases and give it to many top pros as a gift? If I am wrong please correct me. Jack makes a nice case, and if he does give them for to the pros for free (Ithink he gives them a new case every year, atleast thats what I heard from Jasmin Ouschan on her youtube interview) and it would be good advertising for him.

I love his case's style and design, but I would much rather get a JB case instead, because of the option of heavily padded interior to keep my cues very well protected, not to mention, I have talked to John on numerous occasions and we share very similar views on many things, so I would prefer to work with John over others.

Just my .02
 
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Justis, Murnak, Whitten, JB Cases ... I'm debating to get one of these but since I've only seen a Justis from close distance, I could use some feedback. Not looking for anything special when it comes to tooling, just interested in protection

Pro's and Con's would be much appreciated

Any of the cases you choose would be fine..I however would go with a tube style case. Id want there to be padding inside the tubes so your cue doesnt rattle inside the case. You sound like me, not really wanting anything flashy, something nice looking, but something that securely holds your cues in place....protection in my opinion is most important. I know when I am carrying around 3 cues valued at 4000.00, I want them to have the most protection possible.
 
Speaking of safety, I travel a lot with my cues... across the country and back, my precious cargo checked in the back of the plane, and my cues, as well as my beautiful case, remain in perfect condition. And anyone who says they're heavy must not be as strong as a 110lb girl because I have absolutely no problem carrying it, even for lengths of time across long distance, including the Riv and at the Derby. There is a padded shoulder strap that eliminates any discomfort in carrying it, as well.
 
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