Challenge of Champions dump

[JB Cases]

Thanks. Pretty much my point.

CJ playing and making Shane quit (pre 2010) has much less substance than doing it in the last 2 years.

Iirc they gambled two sets at a tournament and Shane won the first set and CJ the second. And this is long after Shane became known.

I don't know why people here keep dogging CJ as if he can't play.

I mean you can disagree with his views but to dog him like he can't play or is scared to play is kind of another way of not talking about the actual topic in order to get personally insulting.

Here is a played that has stood at the pinnacle of our sport who is willing to answer any question about his experiences and barking at him like this is really disrespectful.

IMO if anyone is going to use the forum to bark at CJ about playing Shane then it should only be guys like John Mars who is always willing and able to put Shane in the box.

Otherwise it's just needling and disrespectful in my opinion.

 

[itsfroze]

Iirc they gambled two sets at a tournament and Shane won the first set and CJ the second. And this is long after Shane became known.

I don't know why people here keep dogging CJ as if he can't play.

I mean you can disagree with his views but to dog him like he can't play or is scared to play is kind of another way of not talking about the actual topic in order to get personally insulting.

Here is a played that has stood at the pinnacle of our sport who is willing to answer any question about his experiences and barking at him like this is really disrespectful.

IMO if anyone is going to use the forum to bark at CJ about playing Shane then it should only be guys like John Mars who is always willing and able to put Shane in the box.

Otherwise it's just needling and disrespectful in my opinion.

I agree with you on this topic Jb. You got a guy who hasn't beaten anybody
yapping at a guy (C.J.) who's beaten just about everybody and for big money too.
LOL

Originally Posted by BeiberLvr View Post
Thanks. Pretty much my point.

"CJ playing and making Shane quit (pre 2010) has much less substance than doing it in the last 2 years."

 

[BeiberLvr]

Iirc they gambled two sets at a tournament and Shane won the first set and CJ the second. And this is long after Shane became known.

I don't know why people here keep dogging CJ as if he can't play.

I mean you can disagree with his views but to dog him like he can't play or is scared to play is kind of another way of not talking about the actual topic in order to get personally insulting.

Here is a played that has stood at the pinnacle of our sport who is willing to answer any question about his experiences and barking at him like this is really disrespectful.

IMO if anyone is going to use the forum to bark at CJ about playing Shane then it should only be guys like John Mars who is always willing and able to put Shane in the box.

Otherwise it's just needling and disrespectful in my opinion.

Sorry John. I'm afraid I don't hang onto the past like you and CJ.

I also apologize for having the opinion that someone no longer in their prime and that doesn't play against other champions on a regular basis can't win against someone in their prime and who does.

But we all know a match between these two will never happen, at least not with CJ only getting 2/1.

By the way, I wasn't barking at CJ. Unlike yourself, I don't feel the need to back up my opinions with a "bet."

 

[AtLarge]

When exactly was the only time you and Shane gambled?

Posted by CJ 3/17/13: "I went to DCC one time to gamble and played Shane 9 Ball. $500. a game, I had Shannon Dalton, Roger Griffis and a few others betting on me and I got 8 Games behind, hit a gear and got even, tried to raise the bet, he quit, game over. Knocked me for the next year, so I quit playing for another year. Figured out gambling at pool was a bad choice for a future..."

Year not stated.

 

[PoolBum]

No, no, not a hammer. Just pointing out that there were multiple "world 9-ball championships" that year. The PBT also held one later in the year, won by Rudolfo Luat.

I also won one in my basement that year.

 

[JB Cases]

Sorry John. I'm afraid I don't hang onto the past like you and CJ.

I also apologize for having the opinion that someone no longer in their prime and that doesn't play against other champions on a regular basis can't win against someone in their prime and who does.

But we all know a match between these two will never happen, at least not with CJ only getting 2/1.

By the way, I wasn't barking at CJ. Unlike yourself, I don't feel the need to back up my opinions with a "bet."

I know you are not barking to make a game you would be involved in. Well we can see things differently. It's a forum though who the **** really cares who anyone is and what they have done. No golf fan will ever get the opportunity to tell Tiger Woods to his face how much they think he sucks so in that regard AZB is awesome because the average asshole who can't make ten balls the ****ing table was tilted 45 degrees with ten inch pockets can get his rocks off telling pro how much they suck and those pros' accomplishments don't mean anything.

That type of access is a wonderful thing, keeps those pros grounded so they don't get big heads thinking that reaching the very top of the sport means anything.

So by all means, keep it up. Maybe other pros will stop in and get their dose of reality as provided by us "fans".

 

[itsfroze]

Sorry John. I'm afraid I don't hang onto the past like you and CJ.

I also apologize for having the opinion that someone no longer in their prime and that doesn't play against other champions on a regular basis can't win against someone in their prime and who does.

But we all know a match between these two will never happen, at least not with CJ only getting 2/1.

By the way, I wasn't barking at CJ. Unlike yourself, I don't feel the need to back up my opinions with a "bet."

C.J.'s ego is based on all of his accomplishments in tournaments, people he has beat head to head on the road, in pressure situations, for lots of money, and other things.
They are real experiences that actually occurred, all learning experiences and many of them, with other great players. As far as C.J. hanging on to the past, he has done and seen things you will never see or do, and can only read about. The difference between you and C.J. is C.J. has heart and real experiences to look back on.
You not backing up your opinions with a bet doesn't surprise me...

Have you ever seen a big dog lumbering along and a puppy comes along yapping and nipping at the big dogs heals.
It’s kind of cute, when it’s a puppy.

 

[jtaylor996]

Sorry, I have no interest in trying to research this one. But my quick answer would be none of the above, i.e., more than 4 times.

As you may remember, a few months ago I looked up info about your "world" championship in the 1996 ESPN World Open 9-Ball Championships, and posted the info here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4527950&postcount=112

In that event, you won 4 matches in a row to win the Men's Singles, 1 match to win the Mixed Singles, and 4 matches in a row to win the Mixed Doubles. So you won 9 matches in a row in that event. Now 9 in a row actually contains 3 in a row 7 times -- matches 1-2-3 and 2-3-4 and 3-4-5 and 4-5-6 and 5-6-7 and 6-7-8 and 7-8-9.

So, right there I have identified 7 groups of 3 in a row, meaning the correct answer is none of the choices you listed, and no further research is needed.

Now, on the other hand, some people would not call that a major tournament (despite the amount of money involved), because most of the top players were still in the PBT, which was holding their own event the same week.

I guessed the most, first, so I win right? Or is this one where nobody wins (sorta like participating in this thread...)?

 

[punter]

I guessed the most, first, so I win right? Or is this one where nobody wins (sorta like participating in this thread...)?

This thread never happened....kind of like the dump.

 

[jtaylor996]

I also won one in my basement that year.

Was that the other WPBA tournament? (World Pool Basement Association)

 

[JoeyInCali]

This thread never happened....kind of like the dump.

Like Ali lost his last two bouts.

 

[BeiberLvr]

C.J.'s ego is based on all of his accomplishments in tournaments, people he has beat head to head on the road, in pressure situations, for lots of money, and other things.
They are real experiences that actually occurred, all learning experiences and many of them, with other great players.

You not backing up your opinions with a bet doesn't surprise me... how ever your
ego ... based on... does.

As far as C.J. hanging on to the past, he has done and seen things you will never see
or do, and can only read about. The difference between you and C.J. is C.J. has heart and real experiences to look back on. You on the other hand...

Yes, accomplishments that happened many moons ago. I never said CJ was not a great player in the past. But that certainly doesn't mean he's the same player today, and it definitely doesn't mean he can hang with the best player in America.

 

[itsfroze]

Yes, accomplishments that happened many moons ago. I never said CJ was not a great player in the past. But that certainly doesn't mean he's the same player today, and it definitely doesn't mean he can hang with the best player in America.

Yes accomplishments that happened many years ago, but at least he has some.


Like I said,

Have you ever seen a big dog lumbering along and a puppy comes along yapping and nipping at the big dogs heals.

It’s kind of cute, when it’s a puppy...

When it's a person, not so much...

 

[CJ Wiley]

incidentally, if you count money, exposure, and notoriety there's not much question

Sanctioned, eh. But the 1996 WPA World 9-Ball Championship was played later in the year than the ESPN event and was won by Ralf Souquet, as shown on the WPA website.

The ESPN World Open Championship was played over and over and over by ESPN for millions of people internationally....they also had the ESPN World Doubles Championships and the 'Battle of the Sexes' as well.

The WPA World Championship was played in front of a European audience, but I'm not sure about their TV exposure, maybe it was on, I'm not for sure.

By the way, I didn't get invited to the WPA World Championships - FYI

People can argue all they want about which one was better, incidentally, if you count money, exposure, and notoriety there's not much question which was bigger in America.

ESPN BATTLE OF THE SEXES LINK - FREE VIDEO click here

The ESPN Battle of the Sexes match drew the biggest viewing audience in ESPN history (ESPN promoted it like a major sporting competition). Watch the video and judge it for yourself, it's free and ESPN went all out to make it as entertaining as possible.....Vivian was awesome, it just happened to be my lucky week.

Was this a legitimate 'Battle of the Sexes' or did it need to be another World Champion man and another World Champion woman?

 

[JB Cases]

Yes, accomplishments that happened many moons ago. I never said CJ was not a great player in the past. But that certainly doesn't mean he's the same player today, and it definitely doesn't mean he can hang with the best player in America.

Doesn't mean he can't either. Fact is you have no real clue how good CJ is right now. neither do I. Doesn't look like people are showing up in Dallas/Ft. Worth to test him out either.

I mean it would be really easy for any of the top players, and there are plenty of them in Texas, to go call out CJ and get him down for some sets. But for whatever reason that's not happening.

At the very least they could say, "I went to Dallas and and asked CJ to play every game in the rule book and he declined." But that's not happening is it?

Anyway the overriding point is the following, trash talking CJ Wiley about playing so and so or any other top pro player is just not respectful. I get it that respectful and AZB don't mix and that being a keyboard commando is EASY.

After all it costs nothing tangible on a forum to be a insulting dick so why not just run around word-screwing everyone you can? Not talking to you personally Beiberlover, jsut a general comment on the state of things on here and the net in general.

"Being an Asshole" seems to be what a huge majority of people who hang out in forums and who comment on topics get off on. My thought is that most of them are probably very nice people in real life. But get them on the net and they turn into disrespectful pieces of garbage who can't wait to troll and put other people down. And if it's a celebrity that they manage to get into conversation with then it's ****ing ON! Because what better ego trip validation is there than knocking a celebrity and bringing them down to earth?

That's my point.

As for CJ's game and whether he can hang with Shane? Well, that's really easy, give up the 2:1 on the money that was offered for short sets to 7 and let them get it on. CJ has to win one every three sets to stay even. Shane should be able to outrun that easily......if you're willing to bet say $5000 a set on it. Hell Shane might run out five sets before CJ can type one post about neurolinguistic biomechanics in sword fighting as transfers to stroke dynamics. Should be easy money for you.

I am sure Shane would be willing to take your free roll at CJ's money. Post up 10 set's worth 100k to 50k and run with it. I would like to see it.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Thanks. Pretty much my point.

CJ playing and making Shane quit (pre 2010) has much less substance than doing it in the last 2 years.

Yes, and CJ would have you believe differently or otherwise make a person do the research as was done.

So, if CJ would go so far as twist words as shown, who is to say that he has been forthright in his posts re the dump.

Try and leave us with the impression that he can easily beat a World Champion.

Shane would leave CJ sitting on the street with a hat out asking for donations.

 

[JB Cases]

Yes, and CJ would have you believe differently or otherwise make a person do the research as was done.

So, if CJ would go so far as twist words as shown, who is to say that he has been forthright in his posts re the dump.

Try and leave us with the impression that he can easily beat a World Champion.

Shane would leave CJ sitting on the street with a hat out asking for donations.

Huh? CJ related the truth of it, they played only once and Shane quit. He didn't have to qualify it any farther than that.

But he also said he would play anyone in the USA EXCEPT Shane which should be enough to let you know how highly he regards Shane's game. The only one twisting words is you at the moment by insinuating that CJ is saying he could beat Shane.

CJ bristled when someone said he could get 2:1 on the money playing races to seven against Shane. And why shouldn't he, it's not like CJ is helpless and feeble on the pool table. He is a straight up champion that has beaten all the big names for money and for titles. There is no top player on the planet that doesn't respect CJ's game, then or now.

Only amateur hacks on AZB don't respect him or his game. Which is how the internet works. Where else do you get the opportunity to put down players to their face (virtual face) that you can't beat in a million years? Only here. Because on Facebook they just delete trolls who come at them negatively. That's why most of the pros choose to interact with their fans on Facebook and not on AZB.

 

[prewarhero]

Only amateur hacks on AZB don't respect him or his game. Which is how the internet works. Where else do you get the opportunity to put down players to their face (virtual face) that you can't beat in a million years? Only here. Because on Facebook they just delete trolls who come at them negatively. That's why most of the pros choose to interact with their fans on Facebook and not on AZB.

Well JB, I see it differently. I respect his past game for what it was. I also respect his current game for what it is, whatever it may be. The two are miles apart no doubt but they both command some/different levels of respect. On the other hand, that is not the only measure of a man and my respect for CJ stops there.

My point is not to bash CJ. Heck I would play him cheap sets all day long and call it a lesson well paid for. I admit JB, I am an amateur player (wanna sponsor me?) but no hack and not a troll. Some people have just reached a different conclusion than you from what we have seen and our opinions just differ.

 

[punter]

I appreciate CJ's posts and forum participation, he brings a lot of knowledge and experience. But that doesn't mean I will always agree with every point of view he expresses. I'm pretty sure he is OK with people disagreeing with him at times...I mean he certainly keeps on posting as if none of it bothers him. He would make a good defense lawyer....but if I was buying a used car from him I would still ask for the CARFAX.:wink:

 

[JB Cases]

Well JB, I see it differently. I respect his past game for what it was. I also respect his current game for what it is, whatever it may be. The two are miles apart no doubt but they both command some/different levels of respect. On the other hand, that is not the only measure of a man and my respect for CJ stops there.

My point is not to bash CJ. Heck I would play him cheap sets all day long and call it a lesson well paid for. I admit JB, I am an amateur player (wanna sponsor me?) but no hack and not a troll. Some people have just reached a different conclusion than you from what we have seen and our opinions just differ.

As I said you can disagree with his opinions. Many do. CJ is like me outspoken about what he thinks and it doesn't always sit well with others. And what he thinks isn't always right, no one is always right.

The only person who knows how far apart his game in 95 is from his game in 2014 is is CJ. He has said it would only take several weeks to get back into top form, maybe that's true and maybe it isn't but it seems that he would know it better than anyone else.

I just think that a lot of people here hit below the belt when they don't like a person. They start to go after everything that they think is important to that person. I have done it and it's been done to me. Some do it out of retaliation and others just seem to do it out of some kind of sadistic fun.

To me going after a known pro player's abilities to his face is kind of a sick move. But, it is what it is as they say. Part of the world we live in.