Challenge of Champions dump

I have the video somewhere ....not only was it a dump but a bad acting one at that.
Just my opinion of course . And he still almost had it handed back to him.

Cheese and rice why can't I leave him any better.
Funny shit and a joke ...I believe in karma and she will come a knocken.

All you dumping bass stars get what you deserve .
 
hahahaa so you asked him and he said no and we all know hustlers and pool players NEVER LIE so he MUST be telling the truth!! :wink:

bfdlad said:
I am going to tell you all something ad this may or may not mean anything to anyone. I have spent a bit of time with Buddy and one time I decided to bring this topic up to him. I hadn't before as I am sure it isn't one of his favorite things to talk about after all these years. Remember this was just me and Buddy nobody else around. the chat went something like this.

Me: Buddy. I got to ask you something.
BH: Whats that?
Me: The Challenge of Champions against Mike LeBron, was it a dump?? You know people think it was. Now Buddy, this is for me only. I just want to know and I will never speak a word of it to ANYONE if you tell me you dumped and if I do you can call me a liar.
BH: Mark, it wasn't a dump, I dogged my brains out. That all.

I left it at that. Maybe he didn't trust me to tell me, maybe it's one of those secrets that you just can never tell anyone or maybe he was just telling the truth. He could have told me if it happened. Just my 2 cents for what its worth.
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smashmouth said:
ya Coleman, lol

and it was a straight dump to Takada, I've spoken personally to almost everyone involved (attended alot of Pride events but not that one unofrtunatley and access to the fighters was pretty easy both in the arena and the hotels)

having said that, nobody said shit against Pride in the day ...Yakuza affiliations and what not, would be interesting to see if Mark fessed up now
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Yeah I don't know any fans who don't consider that fight to be a work. Coleman's only gone as far as alluding to it himself, though, he's never outright admitted it. Not that he needs to, lol, as anybody watching saw him helping Takada to sub him.
 
I believe jay and earl both said they had direct indication the fix was in.

Lebron was a good gambler and triple smart with the money. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out his us open victory was not 100% above board.
 
naji said:
No doubt he was fierce competitor and among the top, but,
back then 1990 or 1991, the pool knowledge was not well understood as today's. Not only Buddy, the skill of most pros back in the 90s is not as good as today's skillful players especially when applying english. So comparatively speaking his knowledge of pool today is way more than back then, thanks to Youtube, AZB, and maybe better equipment, (not saying his level of play, only his knowledge, he probably does not practice as much nowadays)

Maybe i am not good source for this info, i kindly ask CJ to shed some light on this topic
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You are still talking out of your butt.

I doubt buddy seeks knowledge that will make him a better player. YouTube? AZB? No way.
 
trob said:
hahahaa so you asked him and he said no and we all know hustlers and pool players NEVER LIE so he MUST be telling the truth!! :wink:
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And the elephant in the room? Mark told him he would never speak a word to anyone.....well I guess technically he didn't 'speak' a word.

One other thought, parents usually tell their kids, when they have done something wrong, "If you keep lying about it, denying that you did it, things are going to be worse." The people involved should just admit it, say it was wrong, and we should all move on and quit beating the dead horse.
 
CJ Wiley said:
I know of players that are "treasured" on these forums that have done "business"......but at the end of the day it's their "Karma", not mine.....or anyone elses.
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We would all like to think we would not dump in this situation but honestly.....given that it is Vegas getting ripped I would consider it myself in that situation.I have never done anything real low like dumping a backer but back in the day it was commonplace or at least more common then now (so I hear).Players did what they did to survive,maybe even prosper,it is what it is.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
Everybody has the video somewhere:D:p. I bought 5 copies of the DVD when it was advertised for sale on this site by a person who is now "persona non grata".

ONB
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I showed this to a friend of mine,not saying one word about a dump going on. The first words out of his mouth were....looks like he trying to give it away.

I think at the end of that match mike had to make a very missable shot. I wonder what Buddy was going to do if he had to shoot again . Maybe forget to chalk up. :grin:
 
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smoooothstroke said:
We would all like to think we would not dump in this situation but honestly.....given that it is Vegas getting ripped I would consider it myself in that situation.I have never done anything real low like dumping a backer but back in the day it was commonplace or at least more common then now (so I hear).Players did what they did to survive,maybe even prosper,it is what it is.
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Survive ?
LOL
Sorry, they made enough money then.
How many of them have you seen dump a lot of money gambling somewhere else ?
Prosper ? Maybe if the sport had a lot more integrity, it would have prospered much better.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Survive ?
LOL
Sorry, they made enough money then.
How many of them have you seen dump a lot of money gambling somewhere else ?
Prosper ? Maybe if the sport had a lot more integrity, it would have prospered much better.
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I'm sure what happened here didn't help the sport. What it did do is make the people who could help a little wiser and probably cause them to keep their distance from pool.
 
8pack said:
I'm sure what happened here didn't help the sport. What it did do is make the people who could help a little wiser and probably cause them to keep their distance from pool.
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I have a completely different take on it.

I think that the dump was inconclusive but let's say it was conclusive and truly known.

It doesn't matter. So "Vegas" or more rightly said ONE Vegas casino stopped booking bets on pool matches...so what?

The Challenge of Champions show did not suffer, it has continued for 25 years.

Vegas Sports Books don't sponsor pool tournaments. Pool tournaments have been held in casinos ever since, with money added by the casinos. Hundreds of tournaments in dozens of casino since that alleged dump in 1991.

So apparently the situation in 91 didn't actually do much at all to hurt pool. Now people can speculate all they want to and say well it could have been bigger or more or whatever. Bottom line is that the only people REALLY interested in betting on which pool player will win are pool players and stakehorses. Joe Public Sports Bettor is not at all interested in whether Billy Bob Lackland will beat Topeka Fatty in a pool match.

WHEN pool was front page news in 1904 (because there was nothing else to take attention away) THEN the general population was interested in betting on which pool player would prevail.

But in 1991 and now, no one cares except a tiny portion of the population that hangs out on billiards forums and of them only a teeny percentage care about it.

So maybe the crew dumped it to Lebron and maybe they didn't. But to blame them for the state of pool because of it if they did it is just not correct IMO.
 
punter said:
And the elephant in the room? Mark told him he would never speak a word to anyone.....well I guess technically he didn't 'speak' a word.

One other thought, parents usually tell their kids, when they have done something wrong, "If you keep lying about it, denying that you did it, things are going to be worse." The people involved should just admit it, say it was wrong, and we should all move on and quit beating the dead horse.
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I don't think at this point anyone really gives a shit if it was a dump or not. Seriously it happened so long a go I don't think it has an effect on anything current. I agree it's beating a dead horse lol I just found it funny that he asks him and he said no so obviously it didn't happen. Seriously ? Just found it funny
 
JoeyInCali said:
Survive ?
LOL
Sorry, they made enough money then.
How many of them have you seen dump a lot of money gambling somewhere else ?
Prosper ? Maybe if the sport had a lot more integrity, it would have prospered much better.
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You mean integrity like football, basketball, baseball, cycling, and boxing to name a few?

Those sports have obviously suffered immensely due to the lack of integrity among participants.........

They could have been worth hundreds of trillions instead of the billions they are worth today.
 
I'm wondering of either Jay or CJ can concede the "possibility" of foul play in Earl's 11 rack run:grin:
 
I think I am done with this thread and am unsubscribing from it. It is an old nasty rumor that gets rehashed every so often. There will never be any evidence provided that will vindicate or convict the parties that were involved or not involved. Sorry I participated now.


JoeyA
 
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