Change in 9 ball rules

Thomas McKane said:
Luck in any game, cards, craps, pool, is there for one reason, it's called FUN. Why do you think 9-ball caught on so much? You had 14.1, 8-ball, 1pocket, banks, rotation, (god knows what else) and 9-ball took off.

If you don't like luck in the game, DON'T PLAY THE GAME. Stop *****ing about it and let others enjoy it. Oh, and watch pro's play and tell me how often they get lucky, less than 5% of the time? It's not even worth a discussion when the majority of what you see is skill.
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Yes, is true that playing the game is about having fun. You can play without the rule when you play your friends and family.

But then when we are playing on a tournament, is it about fun? or is it about playing your best game. No one pays money to get in a tournament just for fun. You get in there because you want to compete, you want to win. The same with pool leagues.

In the Philippines and many other countries this game is played with the call pocket rule.

Why are we here so afraid of adding this rule? Maybe because we are not better?

That is not true. People please, don't be afraid of changes if they are for better improvement.

And please, if you are going to argue that the call pocket rule is not good, give a valid reason. Don't say that "If you don't like luck in the game, DON'T PLAY THE GAME", because I like the game and I'll play it anyway, I JUST WANT IT TO BE BETTER. Many times I played a person for money or in a tournament and when they make a non call ball, or in the wrong pocket they say "sorry, that was not my intention but got lucky". Many times I've seen players (even myself) that get angry with themselves when this happens because they just played bad.
 
Luck?

No luck in Golf? Bad drive hits a tree and ends up in the fairway...Football / QB throws the ball badly and is tipped by two players and his receiver catches it...Bowling / right handed bowler hits the "Brooklyn" side and gets a strike. There is luck in ALL things! You cannot legislate NO LUCK! * Note * I do like playing 14.1 / one pocket / and even 3 cushion ...but if you shoot the shot to make it in 3 rails, it may come back to score in 5!
 
I don't believe most of the good pros would mind call shot and pushout, if any would. It's the lower tier players that want the luck factor in the game. Ban jump cues would be ok with me too:wink:. Johnnyt
 
There's an element of 'luck' in every sport, which is rather a hypothetical or unforseen situation. Players do not intent to play pool/billiards hoping that they may or will win because of 'luck'. But nevertheless, such "luck" does not happen too often in any given game or even every game, considering the shooter is a good player and knows his/her game rather than shooting aimlessly and wildly to create that "luck" and hoping to win (even that is moot).

What I really hate about 8 and 9 ball games (and especially the bar tables) is when either the 8 or the nine ball "luckily" happens to get potted on the very first shot and the player wins the entire game, LOL. Imagine, in a race to 5 this happened to a player in a row. Any Tom, Dick and Harry may win a match from a champion, for all you know.

Personally, I prefer call shot over call pocket anythime.
 
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14-1StraightMan said:
Pool to me is a Sport. Just like other Sports, rules have change to make the Sport better & better. Just like instant replay is apart of every major sport. Football, Baseball, Tennis, Hockey, Basketball etc.... They want their Sport to be the best it can be.
Yes, the Pros have only 5% of luck and asked the ones who lost a hill/hill match about the one game they lost in the set where the other player slopped in a ball to win a game. You ask.
When I have Fun is when I play pool with my family.
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In all other sports I have seen flukely plays. How about when midges invaded Cleveland and gave them the win over New York?

I forgot the name of the play, but when Franco Harris made miracle catch after the ball bounced off all those people.

I remember when I Ahmad Rashad beat Cleveland in the last seconds with a miracle catch. Somehow that ball bounced off 5 players to end up in his hands.

I could go on forever, it happens everywhere in every sport. Call it luck or fate, it will continue to happen long after we are done playing pool.
 
some guy once said to me, that repeated luck points to some sort of talent...
honestly, nine ball is a game that I hate, while I love playing ten ball...
if you want to rule out luck, oyu also need to rule out lucky positions (when the cueball ended up in perfect shape from the wrong side of the intended pocket to the other pocket.... or the player did not mean to play the position the way he intended..

hell get either some players who know the game, then you will be called lucky when you get enough tabel time from it, but maybe they are permanently lucky either?
 
Among better players the luck in 9 ball isn't so much about fluking balls. It has more to do with players missing and not leaving makeable shots, I often find the guy who leaves the most shots when he or she misses is the one who wins.

However the only way to avoid this luck is to either play by Grady's rules, or not play 9 ball at all. Either is fine with me.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Among better players the luck in 9 ball isn't so much about fluking balls. It has more to do with players missing and not leaving makeable shots, I often find the guy who leaves the most shots when he or she misses is the one who wins.

However the only way to avoid this luck is to either play by Grady's rules, or not play 9 ball at all. Either is fine with me.
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yes 9 ball is a joke.
when 2 good players play they should play 10 ball even 12 ball.
 
RAFA1825 said:
Let me start with the following question,

Who should win a match between two competitive players, the one who plays better or the luckiest one?

9 ball, which is a game of "only 9 balls", you can hit balls and if they go in on any pocket the shot is good. How many times have you played a good defense, leaving your opponent a tough shot, then he comes, doesn't know what to do, hit the ball hard, it bounce seven times and then goes in? Is this considered good play? Is this considered a winning shot? Does that person deserve to win and is then considered a better player?

Some people may say, “Well is not a 1 game match, is a race to 7 games, he got lucky on this one but I still have a chance”. Well I say, are we playing poker here or some kind of card game? If billiards/pool is now considered a sport, why don't we add the called pocket rule? Don't you think this would add more sense and brains to the game? In my opinion, this even adds more beauty to the game. How cool it is when you have a three ball combination, you call the third ball in the corner pocket and makes it. I also think that when a player calls a ball in the opposite corner pocket, for example, hit the ball, bounce three rails and makes it; it helps my learning process because he is showing me the plays he is thinking.

Let’s compared this with other sports also,

Golf: You don’t have to call a hole because there’s only one where you have to get the ball in.
Basketball: There’s only one side of the court with one hole.
Soccer: There’s only your side and your opponent side, there’s no confusion of where your intention of making the ball is.
Baseball: There’s only one way to score.
Similar to basketball and Soccer we have Hockey, Football, Volleyball, handball, etc.

One last example,

Have you seen what’s considered by many “the shot” in pool, that game that Efren Reyes won Against Earl Strickland? When Efren kicked the cue ball two rails, hit the object ball and made it. What if the “call pocket rule” would’ve been official?

Here is the link for those who haven’t see it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4YTuYpKdns

If you agree with my arguments, please let’s do something to add more sense to the game we love.
Thanks to all for reading and hope to hear back from all of you.
Please reply with an opinion in favor or against and explain why.

Always play your best pool, Rafael Reyes.
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How much did ya lose?? :D
 
RAFA1825 said:
In the Philippines and many other countries this game is played with the call pocket rule.
Please confirm with FACTS that this statement is true. The call pocket rule is not part of the 9 ball tournament rules in the PI or anyother part of the world... This is just not true

Why are we here so afraid of adding this rule? Maybe because we are not better?

No one is afraid of this rule, it is part of the rules for 10 ball a call pocket game. WHY do you think this? just because the majority of these responses don't agree with you we are suppose to be afraid?

That is not true. People please, don't be afraid of changes if they are for better improvement.
This is your opinion, not the majority of posters that responded to your OP.
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If you really want change to occur, I would suggest you go to the Rules committee of the WPA, UPA, VNEA, APA, TAP, BCAPL, DCC, Regional tours and your local pool hall and start there. You're just wasting time here IMO
 
RAFA1825 said:
How can you prove that? He told you he meant to do it after he made it? Yeah right.
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IMO Efren intended the shot to go exactly as played. Efren is a very good three-cushion player, and that hit is not all that tough for a three-cushion player. If they had been playing call-shot, he would have called it.

Mark
 
Changing 9-ball to a call-shot game sounds good in theory, but I think you would quickly get to the point where you've taken some things away from the game that make it fast, fun, and exciting. My argument has always been that 9-ball is just too easy of a game for the pros to be playing, and that they should switch to something else, but I still think 9-ball is a good game for what it is.

JMHO, but saying 9-ball would be so much better if this rule and that rule were added is kind of like saying that chicken would taste so much better if it were made out of pork. I personally think 9-ball is a whole lot better when you add a 10th ball. ;)

Aaron
 
Any of you guys play by the rule where if you slop a shot in, your opponent has the option to either take the next shot, or let the player who just slopped it in take it? Just wondering how it balances good rolls vs. bad rolls. You don't necessarily have to make a ball to be considered lucky, you can luck a safe, as well.
 
Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. There has been a lot posted about changing the rules. Until 9 ball becomes a strategic game again instead a game about tactics in individual shots, no way.
 
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