Wow I didnt know that the measle ball was polyester, just thought it was phenolic like the rest. Thanks for the info.
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Saluc Measle
I was told by several (very) knowledgable people that the measle ball was polyestor, now I am told that Saluc website says it is phenolic. I am confused. All I know is that I am not a big fan of it.
I do know it is much softer that a red circle and just looks like crap in a short amount of time.
Maybe I need to defer to someone who REALLY knows. I hate putting out bad info and really thought I had the skinny on this.
Mark Griffin
I was told by several (very) knowledgable people that the measle ball was polyestor, now I am told that Saluc website says it is phenolic. I am confused. All I know is that I am not a big fan of it.
I do know it is much softer that a red circle and just looks like crap in a short amount of time.
Maybe I need to defer to someone who REALLY knows. I hate putting out bad info and really thought I had the skinny on this.
Mark Griffin
The Prodigy said:
what your looking for is a worsted cloth. Velocity Pro and Simonis are worsted cloths. Although Velocity Pro is in no way as good as Simonis it will probably be your best option.
Just to chip in -selftaut said:
As you stated, Velocity is an inexpensive worsted with 860 speed.
The Pro Blue color is about the same as Simonis Tourny Blue.
http://www.poolfelt.com/velocity_pro_pool_table_felt.html
Ultra (3045) is a napped cloth thinner then Titan but and has a finer sheer which gives more speed.
Ultra with Teflon (4045) is what Valley installed on their new tables.
Concerning the place that replaced the Velocity after 1 month - 2 things come to mind.
Either the install was a hack job, the place has a serious humidity problem or a combo of the 2.
I have to agree with Mark G here on the Velocity cloth. I've seen it used in a commercial application as well. Looks ok and plays fine at first and slows down more and more over time. It is not a replacement for Simonis by any means.
Rick, next time you are in Rockford go check the Diamond that Chris has in storage (if he still has it) and you can see and feel the cloth for yourself.
I was always a Simonis 860 man but after playing on the new 860 HR I'm a believer. That cloth plays so true!
Rick, next time you are in Rockford go check the Diamond that Chris has in storage (if he still has it) and you can see and feel the cloth for yourself.
I was always a Simonis 860 man but after playing on the new 860 HR I'm a believer. That cloth plays so true!
Mark Griffin said:
Mark, all balls currently made by Saluc are made of solid Phenolic. The major difference between balls made today is the balls weight, and the material the ball is made from. Saluc has a technique and a additive that is added to their Phenolic resin when help minimize friction marks on billiard cloth. Most people do not understand where all the little White spots on their cloth come from. The spots are friction marks that are caused normally by breaking, but can be caused whenever the cue ball is hit hard with a fast follow through. When the cue ball is struck hard such as break shots, a temperature close to 200 degrees is achieved at the cloths surface due to the friction caused by striking the ball and by the grab of the cloth.
Saluc is the only company that makes ball that reduce and minimize friction marks, the Chinese balls will screw up new cloth in a very short time.Another factor to consider when buying cloth is the cloth itself, the more nap like the cheaper cloth has the more friction, thus it wears out and shows these marks and other wear faster. While no cloth will completely prevent these problems for occurring the quality of the materials also has a great effect, and this is why I will use nothing but Simionis.
Duane Tuula said:
Yea I need to get with Chris about the cloth that was installed at Shooters so I'll ask him. I seem to recall he had a D in storage.
I agree Velocity is not a replacement for Simonis (or any other branded worsted). What I've always stated here since the cloth
was introduced in March 07 is that it's a low cost upgrade to worsted from the napped cloths. I know of commercial locations that
use it with no problems so making a blanket statement that it doesn't work in those environments would, IMO, be inappropriate.
If I recall correctly from speaking with the Armand/Aramith folks at the BCA show 2 years ago the major differences betweenmanwon said:
the ball sets is the quality of the resin used, the finish and the tolerance specs for each style of ball they make.
I doubt friction marks can be eliminated completely but the better Aramith sets surely help minimize them.
Weren't you using cloth break strips at your place?
Dartman said:
No Sir, but I only use Simonis 860 Cloth and either Aramith Super Pro or Brunswick Centennial Balls which are also made by Aramith for Brunswick.
I like the centennial balls the best, I have weighted sets of Super Aramith Pro balls, and there is always a slight difference in weight up to two grams. While all my sets of Brunswick balls have not had this Variance, now I am uncertain if this is the standard or if I am lucky.
Mark Griffin said:
Im glad to hear even the top guys dont like the measle ball. Everytime someone comes over they wanna use it cause theyve seen it on tv. And I hate that thing. I also agree with it being fine for tv but not for everyday use. Ive never played in a tourney that had all measle balls so why would you want to practice or play with one everyday?
And I though it was just me who couldnt do some things with that ball, im glad to hear efren has the same problem. (I just thought it was my weak stroke) I feel better now:grin:
JimS said:
Amen to that. Thats all you need right there
You can always upgrade the balls later. Cloth aint as easy.
Cheap & Fast
It's only inappropriate if you sell the cloth. I'm not a salesman but I can speak on my experience. Velocity slowed down over time significantly. And from what I've read here others have seen the same.
The thread originator stated that he wants something close to Simonis speed. He may as well use Mercury Ultra if cheap & speed are the requirements.
Regarding the new cloth at Shooter's; if you need a couple pics I can send them to you. It's interesting to compare the ball marks from the logo cloth to the HR. The logo itself is holding up OK and the speed is good. My only problem is the rails still seem "slippery" and the angles are off a bit.
Dartman said:
It's only inappropriate if you sell the cloth. I'm not a salesman but I can speak on my experience. Velocity slowed down over time significantly. And from what I've read here others have seen the same.
The thread originator stated that he wants something close to Simonis speed. He may as well use Mercury Ultra if cheap & speed are the requirements.
Regarding the new cloth at Shooter's; if you need a couple pics I can send them to you. It's interesting to compare the ball marks from the logo cloth to the HR. The logo itself is holding up OK and the speed is good. My only problem is the rails still seem "slippery" and the angles are off a bit.
Duane Tuula said:
that's exactlywhy I recommended it right off (if Simonis just isn't in the budget), even though I knew the "it's not worsted, it's not worsted" replies would follow.
OP asked for something to tide him over for a couple of years until he can put Simonis on ... Mercury Ultra fits that bill. Cheap, still has good speed to it, and is pretty darn durable.
DT....are you making the ACS/Pechauer Galesburg stop again (on the 21st?)
trustyrusty said:
It's looking like Oshkosh, WI on the 21st at this point.