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Cheating Stories- The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly.
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Cheating Bastard
Almost 50 years ago we were shooting pool for 25 cents on the 9 ball. There were about 4-5 of us all around 12 or 13 years old in the game. We were all equally shaky and fairly evenly matched. The pool hall was probably ahead at 20 cents a rack so for the last game we doubled the money to 50 cents on the 9 ball. I think everyone got a shot before the 9 was the last ball on the table. The lucky shooter got down and eyeballed the 9 then got up and used his cue to line up the pocket. Then he got down and stroked a few times to be sure he had it lined up just right. On about his third stroke his cue went too far forward and drove the 9ball straight into the pocket. One us yelled, "That's cheating, you bastard!" and for the last 47 years we've called him "cheating bastard" or CB if ladies are present...
Almost 50 years ago we were shooting pool for 25 cents on the 9 ball. There were about 4-5 of us all around 12 or 13 years old in the game. We were all equally shaky and fairly evenly matched. The pool hall was probably ahead at 20 cents a rack so for the last game we doubled the money to 50 cents on the 9 ball. I think everyone got a shot before the 9 was the last ball on the table. The lucky shooter got down and eyeballed the 9 then got up and used his cue to line up the pocket. Then he got down and stroked a few times to be sure he had it lined up just right. On about his third stroke his cue went too far forward and drove the 9ball straight into the pocket. One us yelled, "That's cheating, you bastard!" and for the last 47 years we've called him "cheating bastard" or CB if ladies are present...
You don't say? :thumbup:
I think the best bet was to let the guy apologize.. no reason to keep harsh feelings on someone.. Especially for this reason..
I could see it if he killed your Dog.. but this guy still won the game, and in the end.. it wasn't even an issue.. because It was the legit rules.. How good would this guy have felt if he just took the win? Knowing that it was not a legit win.. It would have haunted 8ball..
I think the best thing to do is let it be and accept the apology. He obviously was sorry.. and meant no harm.. he proved this by apologizing.. No reason to continue the hatred, ya know?
I was at a local 8 ball pool tournament a few years back, and one of the better shooters in the area Dee would break and leave his follow through across the table if no balls were pocketed mysteriously on his swing to bring the cue back to him a ball would get swept into the corner pocket. Maby it was an accident but I saw it twice, and the opponent was so focoused on the action of the other balls did not notice.
I was playing some last pocket 8 ball at a watering hole for road players in the Chicago burbs a few years back. The game was going back and forth for an hour or so and we decided to make the game a little more expensive. Eventually I started to pull away with the added cash on each game.
You didn't lose with a scratch on the 8 ball unless you pocketed the 8 ball. We were shooting out of the kitchen on all scratches where my last pocket was. I wasn't able to make the 8 ball, so I lagged it close to my hole and scratched.
Since the 8 ball was in the kitchen, my opponent had to shoot over the line and try to kick it away from my last pocket. This was nearly impossible and he knew it. Instead, he aimed directly at the 8 ball and knocked it away from my hole.
I jumped up, and before the ball stopped moving, grabbed the 8 and slammed it back down in front of my pocket. I asked him if he wanted to try that again. He argued that it was legal to shoot balls in the kitchen. I held out my hand to get paid and he quit. Two seconds later he was out the door.
Best,
Mike
You didn't lose with a scratch on the 8 ball unless you pocketed the 8 ball. We were shooting out of the kitchen on all scratches where my last pocket was. I wasn't able to make the 8 ball, so I lagged it close to my hole and scratched.
Since the 8 ball was in the kitchen, my opponent had to shoot over the line and try to kick it away from my last pocket. This was nearly impossible and he knew it. Instead, he aimed directly at the 8 ball and knocked it away from my hole.
I jumped up, and before the ball stopped moving, grabbed the 8 and slammed it back down in front of my pocket. I asked him if he wanted to try that again. He argued that it was legal to shoot balls in the kitchen. I held out my hand to get paid and he quit. Two seconds later he was out the door.
Best,
Mike
I also wittnessed this shady move by Adam it was crazy. As he walked by us after the game we asked him how it was going, he said he did not care about that game or the tournament he was invited to the world championship in Dubai. Sooo then why are you here? I hope he comes back so the Saw can take him down again. BTW he was out of the tournament about half way through.
Here's another way to cheat with cue ball in the kitchen...
After you scratch, "help" your opponent by getting the 8-ball out of the return hole. As you start to hand it to him, "accidently" drop it so it rolls away from the table. Most folks will go after it. As he does, move whatever ball on the table you need to to win (e.g. move his OB just into the kitchen). He'll start to place the CB in the kitchen and you should see a look on his face as he wonders how his easy runout is now impossible.
I've not done this but had it happen to me. A spectator told me later.
Jeff Livingston
I have one I can do that is so awesome that you should probably just let it slide:
CB/ OB frozen on same rail and you neet get to other side of table...follow thru on draw, then let returning cb brush the end of your cue. Just a glancing touch will do.
That is 'creating' an angle.
CB/ OB frozen on same rail and you neet get to other side of table...follow thru on draw, then let returning cb brush the end of your cue. Just a glancing touch will do.
That is 'creating' an angle.
Funny, but I heard him tell some people he was invited to the World 8-Ball Championship and was going.... But his name doesn't appear on any of the brackets??? Things that make you go hmmmmmm........
Well, it's in the rules, so it's not really shady... it's kinda like tying up your opponent's balls with an intentional foul when you know your chances of escaping a safety are really low.
BCA has an excellent set of 8-ball rules with variations for call, call the 8,
last pocket and so on.
Do yourself a favor and refuse to play 'bar rules'.
Your opponent had options to turn that situation into a stale-mate.
That's why ball-in-hand after a foul is the best way to play.
In the 70's I didn't play 8-ball in bars because of moronic rules.....
..the BCA rules cleaned that problem up nicely...so use them.
Dirty but pretty funny at the same time. Was playing at the APA singles championship in 2005 when i was left in this spot.. the 2 and 8 are locked together by the bottom right corner pocket i'm shooting low balls. my opponent still had most of his balls on the table and is making a run when he makes a tough cut and scratches whitey in the side. I take ball in hand and wonder what to do.. My opponent still had a tough out so i figured hell why not.... As i am chalking my cue (still had whitey in my hand) i drop the cue ball on to the 2ball knocking it into the pocket and opening up the 8. i look at my opponent like did that just happen and gave him ball in hand. He took the cue ball made a few shots then missed a long shot leaving me with a easy 8. Did i feel bad ya i did, will i do it again only if i play the same guy lol
I don't know the rules for last pocket 8 ball, but on the surface that seems like a legit move. Please tell me the rules that make that wrong and not just a dick thing to do. (assuming CB fouls only and kitchen for fouls)
It's one of those rules that you must shoot a proper shot, i.e. you must hit the cue ball to some point outside the kitchen for it to be a good shot, and if you commit a serious foul like the guy did, it's a direct loss of game.
I don't know what THEIR rules were that day (as bar rules tend to "change" from bar-to-bar), but the way we always played it was if your opponent scratched and the only ball/balls you had left to shoot were behind the headstring, then the one closest to the headstring spotted and you shot at it from the kitchen, even in a last-pocket game.
Maniac
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I went to McDermott stop in Detroit a few years back, when the tour was running strong. I don't recall the guys name, but it was my first match of the tourney. He starts to flip the coin and I call heads. At the time, it was opponent racks for you, so I sat down and waited. He was walking up toward the chart. He comes back and asked why I hadn't racked yet. I tell him I won the flip, and he insisted I called tails. I argue for a couple minutes, and it starts to get me hot. We ain't hit a ball, and the guy is already starting cheating. Finally, I tell him, "go ahead and break, I ain't losin this match anyways." I end up beating him 9 to 4 I believe. He storms off, and a guy I know on the next table, says I heard you call heads. I asked why he didn't say anything, and he says it wouldn't matter. I go to the chart, and the guy is complaining about me winning, and something about me tryin to cheat him.
I went to McDermott stop in Detroit a few years back, when the tour was running strong. I don't recall the guys name, but it was my first match of the tourney. He starts to flip the coin and I call heads. At the time, it was opponent racks for you, so I sat down and waited. He was walking up toward the chart. He comes back and asked why I hadn't racked yet. I tell him I won the flip, and he insisted I called tails. I argue for a couple minutes, and it starts to get me hot. We ain't hit a ball, and the guy is already starting cheating. Finally, I tell him, "go ahead and break, I ain't losin this match anyways." I end up beating him 9 to 4 I believe. He storms off, and a guy I know on the next table, says I heard you call heads. I asked why he didn't say anything, and he says it wouldn't matter. I go to the chart, and the guy is complaining about me winning, and something about me tryin to cheat him.
This past Tuesday night, a nice youngman, who doesn't play well at all, has to play me a race to 1. He never wins but always is nice whether he wins or lose. (He just hasn't won against me yet) He gets the 8 ball in our race to 1 handicapped tournament.
I flip the coin in the air and I hear him say "tails" and it comes up heads and I get ready to break the balls and he says, "no, you always call tails". I look at him kind of strange but that is true and I said, "What, you want me to flip the coin again?" and I do.
I flip the coin this time to the middle of the table. He calls tails. It is an older, darker looking penny and it comes up a little closer to me than him and I can easily see it is "heads". I place my finger on top of the coin as I almost always do and slide the coin closer to me so that I can pickt it up more easily and also that my opponent can see that it was indeed, "heads". When I walk up to break the rack, my opponent says I turned the coin over and it was really "tails". I thought he was joking for a minute but I had to finally tell him, not too quietly, "Do you think I would cheat, especially over flipping a coin in a race to one, in a free, handicapped tournament?"
He is relatively new to the pool world and very polite young man and I can't belive he was trying to cheat me out of the break and actually think he was just mistaken because of the darkness of the coin. I can see that he could have been mistaken but I sure don't like him thinking I would cheat.
I flip the coin in the air and I hear him say "tails" and it comes up heads and I get ready to break the balls and he says, "no, you always call tails". I look at him kind of strange but that is true and I said, "What, you want me to flip the coin again?" and I do.
I flip the coin this time to the middle of the table. He calls tails. It is an older, darker looking penny and it comes up a little closer to me than him and I can easily see it is "heads". I place my finger on top of the coin as I almost always do and slide the coin closer to me so that I can pickt it up more easily and also that my opponent can see that it was indeed, "heads". When I walk up to break the rack, my opponent says I turned the coin over and it was really "tails". I thought he was joking for a minute but I had to finally tell him, not too quietly, "Do you think I would cheat, especially over flipping a coin in a race to one, in a free, handicapped tournament?"
He is relatively new to the pool world and very polite young man and I can't belive he was trying to cheat me out of the break and actually think he was just mistaken because of the darkness of the coin. I can see that he could have been mistaken but I sure don't like him thinking I would cheat.
If you play ball-in-hand after a foul, it solves a lot of problems.