China Open payouts

[iusedtoberich]

This is the only way to get credibility back in the game. Start with Zuglan. Make him post the cash 3 months out. Every single promoter under the sun for large events should post. I don't care if they never missed a payment. If Zuglan, with a 100% track record posts, then sure as shit some newbie wannabe promoter in China better post.

WPA has no balls to do this.

 

[GideonF]

The WPA world 8 ball championship in Toronto would have gone away also, even if the Chinese never wanted the event.

They used the same money to do a brand new multi-stop tour. That tour was cancelled before the first event. The cash was never there.

This is all the more reason the WPA needs to COLLECT ALL THE CASH 3 months before an event. If a promoter is living event to event, and can't front the money himself, then he should not be a promoter!!!!!

Get that through everyone's head.

I don't think that's a fair version of what happened. As I understand it (and I was not involved, so take it for what it is worth) the cash for the Toronto event was promised for a World 8b Championship event and my own view is that if that event had come to pass the money would have been there. What they did not have sufficient confirmation of was whether that cash could be used for a multi-stop tour (which is unfortunate, no doubt).

That said, I don't disagree with your comment on what the WPA should be doing to ensure that the prize money is posted in advance if an event is going to have WPA sanctioning.

 

[banditgrrr]

My name is Kim Jung il and I support this message. I hope all the players come to the new WPA sanctioned North Korean 9 Ball Blast tournament. Dates TBD

 

[iusedtoberich]

Promoters stiffing players is just as common as players stiffing other players. Was it Jose Parica that won 5 or 6 events in a row in the 90's and never got any of it?

Hell, we had a guy in Philly steal a few grand from the tour in the early 2000's. Thibk it was called the NE Players tour. Forgot his name. He took all the money for the year end championship event.

This happens time and time again. From big to small events. Anagoni. Hell, even that huge event in the Phillipines about 10 years ago that Efren and Busty both boycotted because of the promoter. Pretty sure that was a WPA world championship. That promoter stuffed the players.

 

[garczar]

My name is Kim Jung il and I support this message. I hope all the players come to the new WPA sanctioned North Korean 9 Ball Blast tournament. Dates TBD

Also included are free DMZ tours and a roast dog with kimchi dinner.

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

This is the only way to get credibility back in the game. Start with Zuglan. Make him post the cash 3 months out. Every single promoter under the sun for large events should post. I don't care if they never missed a payment. If Zuglan, with a 100% track record posts, then sure as shit some newbie wannabe promoter in China better post.

WPA has no balls to do this.

Zuglan can't even figure out racking rules

 

[pt109]

The WPA world 8 ball championship in Toronto would have gone away also, even if the Chinese never wanted the event.

They used the same money to do a brand new multi-stop tour. That tour was cancelled before the first event. The cash was never there.
The money was there for a WORLD TITLE...it wasn't there
for a lesser tournament.
This is all the more reason the WPA needs to COLLECT ALL THE CASH 3 months before an event. If a promoter is living event to event, and can't front the money himself, then he should not be a promoter!!!!!

Get that through everyone's head.

This is the only way to get credibility back in the game. Start with Zuglan. Make him post the cash 3 months out. Every single promoter under the sun for large events should post. I don't care if they never missed a payment. If Zuglan, with a 100% track record posts, then sure as shit some newbie wannabe promoter in China better post.

WPA has no balls to do this.

I'd like to be there when somebody tells Mike Zuglan he has to post.
Mike runs a good tour..but try telling him what to do and see how you like it.

 

[LAMas]

My name is Kim Jung il and I support this message. I hope all the players come to the new WPA sanctioned North Korean 9 Ball Blast tournament. Dates TBD

Announcement from the grave.

 

[cardiac kid]

Zuglan can't even figure out racking rules

There has NEVER been a single player who was not immediately paid by Mie Zuglan and the Joss Northeast 9 Ball Tour. To bring Mike's name into this discussion is out of line.

Yes, racking is a problem. Mike however does not change the rules of the game. The one ball is still racked on the spot! He also gets 128 players to PREPAY to play in his Turning Stone event.

Lyn

 

[jasonlaus]

There has NEVER been a single player who was not immediately paid by Mie Zuglan and the Joss Northeast 9 Ball Tour. To bring Mike's name into this discussion is out of line.

Yes, racking is a problem. Mike however does not change the rules of the game. The one ball is still racked on the spot! He also gets 128 players to PREPAY to play in his Turning Stone event.

Lyn

Some people are just stupid
Jason

 

[jay helfert]

Shane just posted the following from Ian Anderson of the WPA:

Dear All

I am still awaiting confirmation from phone conversations today about the Jinan Heritage Classic 8-Ball event scheduled for Jinan next month. The news I’m awaiting is most likely not going to be good. They did say the event is not cancelled, but wouldn’t confirm if it would go ahead either. If the event is cancelled, we will be seeking compensation, but that’s no guarantee either. Please advise your players of the situation and warn them not to buy any tickets if they haven’t already done so. I will update you immediately something is received.

Thank you - Ian Anderson

How the WPA can put events like this on their calendar without doing a thorough background check on the promoters and the funding is beyond me. Pretty piss poor business practices any way you look at it. The byword of the WPA should be, "Let's just get that sanction fee and see what happens!" :thumbup:

 

[JAM]

Many moons ago, I brought up the fact that the WPA only cares about getting their hands greased and does not contribute to professional pool's prosperity. Some higher-ups in the pool world supported WPA back then and let me know politely that they thought my opinion was wrong. It wasn't wrong then, and it's not wrong now.

As well, I brought up the fact many moons ago that the BCA doesn't give a hill of beans about professional pool. This is an area that needs attention. The BCA only cares about the industry dues-paying members and the pool fourth estate. Professional pool has been totally abandoned, yet they are supposed to be the so-called "governing body of professional pool in North America." Phooey!

 

[iusedtoberich]

You guys are missing the point of why I picked Zuglan for my example. Its not because I'm stupid....

He is an upstanding guy, that has paid on the spot since the beginning. It is FOR that reason someone like him would be the perfect example. The point of my post, is to make the WPA escrow the money from ALL promoters (if its WPA sanctioned). Once a few upstanding guys like Zuglan escrow the money every event to the WPA, then the players will start to say "this is the norm". And it will shift the tide into forcing new or questionable promoters to also escrow their money.

You don't start a shift by having bum promoters escrow the cash. They don't have it to begin with, that's why they are bums. You start the shift by having excellent promoters like Zuglan escrow the cash.

The only reason Zuglan would have been a poor choice for my example is if his events are not WPA sanctioned, I forget if they are. If they are not, then insert Sullivan's name for his DCC 9 ball event.

You guys get it now?

 

[jasonlaus]

You guys are missing the point of why I picked Zuglan for my example. Its not because I'm stupid....

He is an upstanding guy, that has paid on the spot since the beginning. It is FOR that reason someone like him would be the perfect example. The point of my post, is to make the WPA escrow the money from ALL promoters (if its WPA sanctioned). Once a few upstanding guys like Zuglan escrow the money every event to the WPA, then the players will start to say "this is the norm". And it will shift the tide into forcing new or questionable promoters to also escrow their money.

You don't start a shift by having bum promoters escrow the cash. They don't have it to begin with, that's why they are bums. You start the shift by having excellent promoters like Zuglan escrow the cash.

The only reason Zuglan would have been a poor choice for my example is if his events are not WPA sanctioned, I forget if they are. If they are not, then insert Sullivan's name for his DCC 9 ball event.

You guys get it now?

Yep:thumbup:
Jason

The WPA is worse than the Mob, I've never understood what these thieves do anyway except steal money.

 

[pt109]

You guys are missing the point of why I picked Zuglan for my example. Its not because I'm stupid....

He is an upstanding guy, that has paid on the spot since the beginning. It is FOR that reason someone like him would be the perfect example. The point of my post, is to make the WPA escrow the money from ALL promoters (if its WPA sanctioned). Once a few upstanding guys like Zuglan escrow the money every event to the WPA, then the players will start to say "this is the norm". And it will shift the tide into forcing new or questionable promoters to also escrow their money.

You don't start a shift by having bum promoters escrow the cash. They don't have it to begin with, that's why they are bums. You start the shift by having excellent promoters like Zuglan escrow the cash.

The only reason Zuglan would have been a poor choice for my example is if his events are not WPA sanctioned, I forget if they are. If they are not, then insert Sullivan's name for his DCC 9 ball event.

You guys get it now?

We always got it....but disagree.
Greg Sullivan aint going for this either...why should the good guys get branded like
the bad guys?

Would you go for this?....uncertain promoters being bonded.

 

[iusedtoberich]

We always got it....but disagree.
Greg Sullivan aint going for this either...why should the good guys get branded like
the bad guys?

Would you go for this?....uncertain promoters being bonded.

Yes, I'd go for it. Its to cause a shift in the entire industry. Its not about "my" event. Its about "everyone's" event.

But, we all know that will never happen. Pool is every man for himself, and that includes promoters.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

There has NEVER been a single player who was not immediately paid by Mie Zuglan and the Joss Northeast 9 Ball Tour. To bring Mike's name into this discussion is out of line.

Yes, racking is a problem. Mike however does not change the rules of the game. The one ball is still racked on the spot! He also gets 128 players to PREPAY to play in his Turning Stone event.

Lyn

When at the turning stone classic, late into Saturday and throughout Sunday, you will regularly hear Mike on the PA system announcing players names to come to his desk so they can get paid.

At one point I remember hearing from Mr. Zuglan: "still looking for a few players, and yes, we are the only pool tournament in the world who chases down the players to pay them their winnings".

Long live the Joss Northeast 9 ball tour.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Here is another totally off topic post, but about the Asian countries. We in the US have said for the past 15 years that Asia is the future of the game, because the govt supports their players.

I think that might end soon, if it was even ever really true to a large group of players.

In the US, all of the other sports became much more popular than pool, less people are playing pool, no pool on actual TV, and no fans except the pool nuts like us.

Pool is popular in Asia now, but I see the same exact things happening there, that has happened here. The game itself is simply not as exciting to the fan as the major sports. The govt will shift sponsorship money away from pool, and into whatever sports are major over there. The game itself is the problem. Not the support (or lack of) of the host country.

 

[LAMas]

Many moons ago, I brought up the fact that the WPA only cares about getting their hands greased and does not contribute to professional pool's prosperity. Some higher-ups in the pool world supported WPA back then and let me know politely that they thought my opinion was wrong. It wasn't wrong then, and it's not wrong now.

As well, I brought up the fact many moons ago that the BCA doesn't give a hill of beans about professional pool. This is an area that needs attention. The BCA only cares about the industry dues-paying members and the pool fourth estate. Professional pool has been totally abandoned, yet they are supposed to be the so-called "governing body of professional pool in North America." Phooey!

Reminds me of the past political regime.

 

[mchnhed]

Time for a New Regimen!
Oh Wait!
That's North Korea I'm thinking about.

Reminds me of the past political regime.

Many moons ago, I brought up the fact that the WPA only cares about getting their hands greased and does not contribute to professional pool's prosperity. Some higher-ups in the pool world supported WPA back then and let me know politely that they thought my opinion was wrong. It wasn't wrong then, and it's not wrong now.

As well, I brought up the fact many moons ago that the BCA doesn't give a hill of beans about professional pool. This is an area that needs attention. The BCA only cares about the industry dues-paying members and the pool fourth estate. Professional pool has been totally abandoned, yet they are supposed to be the so-called "governing body of professional pool in North America." Phooey!