Chris and Tony played tonight

poolandpokerman

poolandpokerman

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I just got home from watcing Chris Bartram and Tony Chohan play 10 ball even, 10 ahead for 8.5, it took Tony about 4 hours to finish off Chris, they both played good, however, Tony's safety play was the difference I believe. Chris could not hit the ball when he kicked at it, and of course Tony hit every kick he tried. I think Chris is going to give up coming to Detroit, I have not seen him win anything up here in a while. The bad part of the night, I bet on Chris, do to his play the last week or so. Maybe I just put the jinx on him.
 
Well, Chohan is a different caliber player than David G or D'Alfonso in my opinion. When a player is forged at Hard Times then they are going to be triple tough.

Kudos to Chris for stepping up and putting his dough back in action.
 
John Barton said:
Well, Chohan is a different caliber player than David G or D'Alfonso in my opinion. When a player is forged at Hard Times then they are going to be triple tough.

Kudos to Chris for stepping up and putting his dough back in action.
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But according to a bunch of yahoos on here, Tony can't spell rotation, Hard Times or not... :D :D

(Don't see how they arrive at that, considering Chohan beat Dennis Hatch pretty convincingly at 10 ball in a Florida Pro Tour event, and I don't think anyone could say Dennis is not one of the best 10 ball players in the world....)

You know how it is.. They were woofing up their boy Kirkwood, who Chohan had already beat for the cheese, and were making excuses of the table being too slow for Kirkwood to run the set out.... :D :D :D

Funny.. The table being slow doesn't really explain how Kirkwood got outplayed tactically, as Chohan wasn't making balls either..

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
But according to a bunch of yahoos on here, Tony can't spell rotation, Hard Times or not... :D :D

(Don't see how they arrive at that, considering Chohan beat Dennis Hatch pretty convincingly at 10 ball in a Florida Pro Tour event, and I don't think anyone could say Dennis is not one of the best 10 ball players in the world....)

You know how it is.. They were woofing up their boy Kirkwood, who Chohan had already beat for the cheese, and were making excuses of the table being too slow for Kirkwood to run the set out.... :D :D :D

Funny.. The table being slow doesn't really explain how Kirkwood got outplayed tactically, as Chohan wasn't making balls either..

Russ
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Tony Chohan and Amar Kang, who came out of Hard Times, can play with anyone in the world. Maybe they don't have quite the highest gear but it's high enough to be able to beat anyone in any given session.

The problem with trying to place players is that none of them really match up long enough to find out who is really better.

I think ahead sets however do give us more of an indication than races. Races can be funny. Long ahead sets really bring it out who has the skills.

For T-Rex to win ahead sets against world beaters there is no doubt that his skills are world class.

As far as the conditions go: Kirkwood and Bartrum have been all over the country and played on every table/cloth combination known to man, as has Tony. And it was the same for both of them. Players of their caliber should be able to get a read on the table and adjust accordingly. If Kirkwood didn't like the table then he should have pulled up and renegotiated to a different table.
 
John Barton said:
Tony Chohan and Amar Kang, who came out of Hard Times, can play with anyone in the world. Maybe they don't have quite the highest gear but it's high enough to be able to beat anyone in any given session.

The problem with trying to place players is that none of them really match up long enough to find out who is really better.

I think ahead sets however do give us more of an indication than races. Races can be funny. Long ahead sets really bring it out who has the skills.

For T-Rex to win ahead sets against world beaters there is no doubt that his skills are world class.

As far as the conditions go: Kirkwood and Bartrum have been all over the country and played on every table/cloth combination known to man, as has Tony. And it was the same for both of them. Players of their caliber should be able to get a read on the table and adjust accordingly. If Kirkwood didn't like the table then he should have pulled up and renegotiated to a different table.
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I just talked with Tony and he is on his way to Texas. Maybe he and Joyner can match up?
 
poolandpokerman said:
I just got home from watcing Chris Bartram and Tony Chohan play 10 ball even, 10 ahead for 8.5, it took Tony about 4 hours to finish off Chris, they both played good, however, Tony's safety play was the difference I believe. Chris could not hit the ball when he kicked at it, and of course Tony hit every kick he tried. I think Chris is going to give up coming to Detroit, I have not seen him win anything up here in a while. The bad part of the night, I bet on Chris, do to his play the last week or so. Maybe I just put the jinx on him.
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No question, T-Rex is getting better all the time. I really believe seeing SVB come up so fast has motivated him to actually work on his game, and not stay stagnant. He has unlimited potential in my opinion.

I have one question for you about this game with Chris, which I will ask you in a PM.
 
Jay, Jay, Jay...

It's okay.. You don't have to be scared to ask if there was a lot of side action, who most of the action was favoring, and/or who was back Chris, if anyone.....

I think I know what the question is, more or less.. :D :D :D

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
But according to a bunch of yahoos on here, Tony can't spell rotation, Hard Times or not... :D :D

(Don't see how they arrive at that, considering Chohan beat Dennis Hatch pretty convincingly at 10 ball in a Florida Pro Tour event, and I don't think anyone could say Dennis is not one of the best 10 ball players in the world....)

You know how it is.. They were woofing up their boy Kirkwood, who Chohan had already beat for the cheese, and were making excuses of the table being too slow for Kirkwood to run the set out.... :D :D :D

Funny.. The table being slow doesn't really explain how Kirkwood got outplayed tactically, as Chohan wasn't making balls either..

Russ
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Now why do I have to be a Yahoo? Russ, I thought better of you to lower your character to name calling. Please tell me all the winners for the 1st weekend in football. It should be easy using your method of who beat who in the past.
 
The Texas Open is shaping up to be a tough tournament this year. If Duel, Chohan, Gabe, R. Martinez, Hillbilly, along with the usually tough guys (David Hanson, Vanover?, Bastrop, etc.) show up, maybe the toughest ever. Budweiser Longshot: Tommy Sanders.
 
Russ Chewning said:
Jay, Jay, Jay...

It's okay.. You don't have to be scared to ask if there was a lot of side action, who most of the action was favoring, and/or who was back Chris, if anyone.....

I think I know what the question is, more or less.. :D :D :D

Russ
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I don't like you Russ. You know too much. I will not be doing any gambling with you sir. You would make a good poker player.
 
He's Been There And Done That....

jay helfert said:
I don't like you Russ. You know too much. I will not be doing any gambling with you sir.
You would make a good poker player.
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Ah, NO he wouldn't.
Doug
( don't ask, don't tell ) :)
 
jay helfert said:
I don't like you Russ. You know too much. I will not be doing any gambling with you sir. You would make a good poker player.
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Lol! I was playing a live event in Tunica once, and only had one really strong player at my table, whom I knew realized I was his only serious challenge at the table. He was watching every single move I made, and I knew it..

That didn't stop me from being aggressive, though, as the rest of the table was very passive. From mid position, I bet out with two medium suited cards... He calls. I know he doesn't have to have anything, and might be planning a delayed bluff.

I flop a flush. I am thinking, How do I get this guy to put all his chips in?

So, I did the only logical thing... I rechecked my cards, and bet out a little more than a standard sized bet.

Tell me why that worked, Jay.. :D :D :D :D

Russ
 
Go Northern California !!!!

Tony is a great player and a good guy; funny as hell sometimes too.

When Tony, Billy Palmer, Amar Kang, Bryce, Chris McDonald, Lance Salazar, and a few other talented players used to enter the events at Hard Times, it was a pretty brutal field to get through.

Hard Times, Family Billiards in SF, the hall in Mountain View, and the Broken Rack in Emeryville,CA seem to be keeping pool alive in Nor Cal because the rest of the towns around here are a joke.
 
I Yam What I Yam

Russ Chewning said:
Lol! I was playing a live event in Tunica once, and only had one really strong player at my table, whom I knew realized I was his only serious challenge at the table. He was watching every single move I made, and I knew it..

That didn't stop me from being aggressive, though, as the rest of the table was very passive. From mid position, I bet out with two medium suited cards... He calls. I know he doesn't have to have anything, and might be planning a delayed bluff.

I flop a flush. I am thinking, How do I get this guy to put all his chips in?

So, I did the only logical thing... I rechecked my cards, and bet out a little more than a standard sized bet.

Tell me why that worked, Jay.. :D :D :D :D

Russ
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That works because a player usually looks back at his cards to see if he has ONE of the 3 suited cards that flopped. Your opponent thinks that you are betting on a draw and they will go all in, figuring a 'good player' to get off the hand by folding. Or, if another card of the same suit doesn't come on the turn, they will go all in then...
Oops, I am NOT Jay..... :)

....I AM SPARTACUS !





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Otherwise known as a "reverse tell", and it usually only works against a good player once..

Very good, Smorg...

Russ
 
I think some people may have underestimated Chris's game. I might have picked Chris to win also.

At Derby City 06, Chris smoked Tony playing an ahead set of 9 ball, and I mean smoked him quickly. I know cuz I put up part of the money for Tony. I'm sure Tony went for 10 ball because it changes the advantages. Tony has been playing harder and more often now for good stakes. His game probably has improved, although its hard to tell becuz he plays so damn good at times. Its a much closer game than the result may indicate.
 
Tony was just the best last night, not to say Chris can't win the next time, I think Chris got to 3 ahead, but thats about as far ahead as he got. Tony stayed ahead most of the match and then just played too many safeties for Chris to get out of. I hated to see Chris do so good on the road and win so much and then make a deposit in Detroit, but Tony seems like a good guy too, I guess thats gambling.
 
John Barton said:
Tony Chohan and Amar Kang, who came out of Hard Times, can play with anyone in the world. Maybe they don't have quite the highest gear but it's high enough to be able to beat anyone in any given session.
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That's true. And I believe Amar to be the more talented of the two. The difference is in their individual attitudes. One of the reasons Tony is so tough is that he rarely gets rattled. He has the ability that most top players have to shrug off adverse circumstances. Amar has had some "demons" problems, which hurt his pool playing. When I spoke with Tony in Mobile, I believe he said that Amar hardly plays pool anymore, and that he is mostly playing poker.

Doc
 
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