CJ WIley Playing John Schmidt

PoolSponge said:
As far as dress code, I was just on Thorsten's website (thanks Blackjack) and he really brings a level of style and class to the table every time.
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As well as looking like he just robbed Abercrombie and Fitch
 
I hope as the reigning U.S. Open Champ John uses this money as a start to go to the WPC in the Phillipines, represent himself and the USA on the world stage, and raises another 10K - 20K in sponsorship so he can fund his participation in big events. All he has to do is start hustling the advertisers. If I were in the industry, I would want him working for me. He's nice looking, polite, well dressed, gutsy, and charming - what more could you ask of a representative?

Chris
 
TATE said:
I hope as the reigning U.S. Open Champ John uses this money as a start to go to the WPC in the Phillipines, represent himself and the USA on the world stage, and raises another 10K - 20K in sponsorship so he can fund his participation in big events. All he has to do is start hustling the advertisers. If I were in the industry, I would want him working for me. He's nice looking, polite, well dressed, gutsy, and charming - what more could you ask of a representative?

Chris
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plus he can play a little too. :D
 
The Woim said:
A quick $5,000 for John Schmidt in 39 minutes of work... Great! That John can really turn it on - why the "*&%*##" didn't he turn it on at the World Straight Pool Championship??? We who love John know why.

A $5,000 payday? Why can't John start upgrading his wardrobe and start playing with a really high end custom cue and look like a real Jim Dandy pool player ala Ralph Greenleaf?

You can buy a really nice pair of dress shoes for $275-$500. Why doesn't John buy four or five pair now?

Let's all encourage our pro players to start bringing some dignity to this game! Bring dignity to pool by dressing right and playing with custom cues.

Add it up:
- suit, tie and dress shirt = $650
- 4 pairs of great shoes = $1300
- great custom cue = $1500
-Increase in the dignity of pool = Priceless!!!

John (and many other top money players) will collect another $5000 in a few more days, but the shoes and the custom cue will last years. The increase in dignity to our beloved game will have added value for decades!

I can't say it enough but it's time for this sport to be occupied by grown ups who dress right and conduct themselves with dignity and a touch of class. In the world of pool, playing with a custom cue is dignity ne plus ulra.

I will not comment on smell because from where I am, John may have been wearing a high quality cologne but that's another post. :D

Yours Very Truly,
The Woim
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Your too much. You want JS to spend almost $3500 on a few pairs of shoes, one outfit and a new cue? Looks to me like the cue he is playing with hits em okidoki and the last time I saw JS at a big tournament he was dressed just fine. Maybe you should go ahead and spend 3.5k YOURSELF and get JS some new threads. He's a standup guy...im sure he will tell everyone what a great person you are and think about how you would improve the dignity of the game.
 
jay helfert said:
I'm going to take a moment and explain something to you woim. And it goes like this. When you clean up the environment, people act accordingly. That's human nature. If you build a real nice poolroom, most people will realize it is a place to dress nicely when they go there. If you put on a high class tournament, players will dress appropriately as well.

Did you happen to go to any IPT events? The players were playing in nice venues for significant money (at least they thought they were). They all looked good, dressed to the nines.

If you have a poolroom or a tournament that is held in a run down poolroom or lower quality hotel, players will also dress accordingly. Again, that is human nature.

Just remember, if you think of something first, it becomes your responsibilty. So from now on, you are responsible for how the players look. It is up to you to make sure they all look good. You may have to cut loose of some of the millions that you use to buy your clothes, and buy a few things for players who are not so well heeled.

I for one, would appreciate seeing how you dress on a daily basis. Perhaps a few photos of yourself in your thousand dollar ensembles would be a motivating factor for other players to see.
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Sorry Jay gotta disagree with you on this one. The IPT had a dress code, it wasn't an option or human nature. Water seeks its on level and the clothes do not change the class of the person wearing them.

I prefer to play in casual clothing and I understand why others would.

You can dress up a hamburger with all trimmings you want, but its still not a filet.. The sport will have to change from the inside, not the outside.

Do you think if TH or RS wore more casual clothes, neat and clean of course, they would be any less the best example of class in the sport?

And BTW, woim is just FOBS.
 
Actionhound said:
plus he can play a little too. :D
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He would have steamrolled anybody playing like that. I don't think anybody is rushing to Florida to play him 10 ahead 9 ball at the moment. ;)

John is obviously getting better. Given the opportunity, he may just be the next great champion. Come on people, where is his industry support?

Chris
 
TATE said:
He would have steamrolled anybody playing like that. I don't think anybody is rushing to Florida to play him 10 ahead 9 ball at the moment. ;)

John is obviously getting better. Given the opportunity, he may just be the next great champion. Come on people, where is his industry support?

Chris
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i hear that... hopefully i can get him to take me on one of his road trips soon... he's a great guy and a great player... im sure he will get some industry support soon.
 
TATE said:
He would have steamrolled anybody playing like that. I don't think anybody is rushing to Florida to play him 10 ahead 9 ball at the moment. ;)

John is obviously getting better. Given the opportunity, he may just be the next great champion. Come on people, where is his industry support?

Chris
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Isn't he already a great chamion?

BVal
 
Another example that people will hide behind a PC and say anything. You might have all this expensive cloths, but you ran out of money before you could buy some BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!. Demeaning some one really adds class to the sport. Just another jealous pool player,
 
Quick hits:

1. CJ dresses like a porn star.

2. John's shorts were VERY short (and I think he shaves his legs).

3. The idea of playing in a cape is fantastic!

the end
 
I think the pool industry making the players wear tux for tournaments was always overkill. The players looked like opera singers instead of pool players. I thought one of them was going to break out in a song at any minute.

If they had a more relistic dress codes, like nice slacks, collar shirts, and nice shoes they would look more like pool players. As far as cleaning up the image of players being gamblers and hustlers...it's not going to happen. Most pro players gamble because they have to. If purses were like golf, tennis, or even bowling it would cut out 50% of the gambing IMO. Johnnyt
 
The Woim said:
A quick $5,000 for John Schmidt in 39 minutes of work... Great! That John can really turn it on - why the "*&%*##" didn't he turn it on at the World Straight Pool Championship??? We who love John know why.

A $5,000 payday? Why can't John start upgrading his wardrobe and start playing with a really high end custom cue and look like a real Jim Dandy pool player ala Ralph Greenleaf?

You can buy a really nice pair of dress shoes for $275-$500. Why doesn't John buy four or five pair now?

Let's all encourage our pro players to start bringing some dignity to this game! Bring dignity to pool by dressing right and playing with custom cues.

Add it up:
- suit, tie and dress shirt = $650
- 4 pairs of great shoes = $1300
- great custom cue = $1500
-Increase in the dignity of pool = Priceless!!!

John (and many other top money players) will collect another $5000 in a few more days, but the shoes and the custom cue will last years. The increase in dignity to our beloved game will have added value for decades!

I can't say it enough but it's time for this sport to be occupied by grown ups who dress right and conduct themselves with dignity and a touch of class. In the world of pool, playing with a custom cue is dignity ne plus ulra.

I will not comment on smell because from where I am, John may have been wearing a high quality cologne but that's another post. :D

Yours Very Truly,
The Woim
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I realize that I am new to this forum and almost no one on here knows who I am (a few do based on the comical ID), but I have been lurking around here for a month or so and I believe this is at least the second thread that "The Woim" has hijacked with this senseless BS about dressing in all of these expensive clothes and playing with outrageously high dollar cues. I agree that if a player is representing this sport on T.V., they should at least be in a pair of slacks/dockers and a nice polo golf shirt and not jeans/sweat pants, T-shirts and tennis shoes. Look at the PGA, they don't require suit and ties, they all were nice comfortable light weight slacks and polo shirts and some are now even wearing the mock turtle necks with no collar. If any one thinks Tiger is degrading the sport of golf because he wears a mock turtle neck or regular polo and not a suit and tie, they are absolutely out of their mind!!! If it is OK for the PGA, why is it not good enough for pool? The dress is not the problem with the image of pool. There are many other factors affecting the image of pool and I am not going to get into that now and futher get off of the subject of this thread which started out telling us about action between CJ and John S.

Btw, I have been involved in the pool scene around the St. Louis area for the past 13 years and I have never seen anyone coming to any of the league tournaments or traveling tour stops dressed like "The Woim" claims to dress. Not a single player!!!!! Except for the past 2 years or so, I was always at every major tournament in this area, so as far as I can tell, "The Woim" is just here trying to stir up crap. I know several regular posters on here, and none of us can figure out who "The Woim" might be.
 
PoolSponge said:
I want to clarify something in case I hit a nerve. I in now way want to imply a lack of class regarding Gabe or Earl with respect to their attire. The point was simply that if Champions were seen dressing as they would like and comfortable then that is the image that people would maintain about them. I agree that John Schmitt is a very well dressed player and typically looks full of class and looks like he thought about what he was going to look like and the image he wanted to reflect upon the television audience as well as all in live attendance. That is an obvious plus on his character. Again, I am not trying to belittle, insult, or question the integrity of any players, simply, I want people to consider that we as players understand what is comfortable given the long hours and usually uncomfortable surrounding that accompany a long tournament; however, the regular television view, the ones who the sponsors are trying to reach and positively affect, probably do not.

Jay, how many times as a commentator do you find yourself clarifying something on air which would be construed as simple to pool players, but, as a good commentator, you understand that chances are many watching are clueless. Herein lies the problem associated to our beloved sport and the need for increase support from sponsors. Given the chance to represent the sport in North America's largest ,and one of the most prestigeous events in the sport, many players appeared on television in an extremely casual state. In my mind this did a little to personalize them, sure, but moreover, it did little in the way of swaying naysayers into believing there is a new leaf in pool and the shady hustler lurking in pool halls is not as prevalent as it was 20 years ago. When we as a community shed that stereotype and present ourselves as "professionals", which I believe is the true nature of Woim's comments, and only then will we be able to see the sport grow through sponsorships and coincidentally, perhaps see more players make decent money through better endorsement deals.

Just my thoughts.
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I saw a lot of tournaments (and directed a few of them) in the 70's and 80's where the players wore Tuxs on television. Looked nice but didn't change a thing about pro pool or the public perception of our sport. Fats used to say "Tuxedo's on a pool player is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog". He did have a way with words.

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the publio perception of pool. It is a widely accepted sport in the eyes of the masses. Even if people don't recognize many famous players, they are aware of the skill required to play pool professionally. I doubt that dress is a factor in whether people accept pool as a sport or not. And I also don't think that people watch pool and give much thought to what a player is wearing. As long as they are clean and neat.

The advent of all the upscale poolrooms in the 80's and 90's did more than anything to change the image of pool. It is now quite mainstream and you can see pool being used frequently in print Ads and television commercials.

I don't think the way players look or dress is what has held the sport back professionally. There are other factors that are at work here. Sponsors have come and gone in pro pool, and it is the conduct of the players themselves that have hurt their prospects. I won't name names here, but those responsible know who they are. And it didn't have anything to do with what they were wearing.
 
all we need is shoes, trousers and a nice shirt. not bow-ties and waistcoats that's overkill. but smart is the way to go, it looks better. at the end of the day it does make a difference to the way our sport is percieved in comparison to other sports.

btw the way snooker players dress suits snooker now i think because we've got used to it, but don't nessecarilly think snooker players dont have a stigma attached to them still. snooker still has a bit of a dodgy image - smoky rooms, drugs, low-lifes lol. dress doesn't fix everything sadly.
 
Getting back to the original thread, Thanks rack em for the up dates yesterday, its great to know that someone cares enough to stop what they are doing and keep up on top of the action. Way to go John! I've never met you but it sound like you shot lights out. congrads
 
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