Classless Earl Strickland

I find it interesting that Earl only exhibits this abhorrent behavior when playing a pool match, kind of situation specific

I find it interesting that you would dismiss a possible mental health issue because behavior is situation specific.

Alcoholics can totally control their alcoholism when they are in lock-down rehab with no access to booze.

Pedophiles are totally not molesting kids when they are in prison.

It's all conjecture, regardless. Nobody here has spent the time clinically evaluating Mr. Strickland required to make a clinical diagnosis on his mental state.

I will say that it appears that he is agitated, confrontational and uncomfortable in every video I've seen of him.

If he is too disruptive at pool tourneys, the tourneys shouldn't accept his entry.

He actually reminds me of a top foosball player I met who was repeatedly banned from the largest foosball tourneys in the country. Johnny Lott similar tendencies although amplified by drug use.
 
I find it interesting that you would dismiss a possible mental health issue because behavior is situation specific.

This is part of the stigma. And the only way to move past stigma is to educate. When you have the media and movies, tv etc filling peoples heads with incorrect information, you cant blame anyone for not understanding. Like I said thats where the educating comes in. Those that choose not to educate themselves or learn, well..... thats on them. You can lead a horse to water........ but you cant make them think....... ;)
 
Oh, so you choose to stay ignorant...... good job!
I was reading Jung and working in rehabilitation 30 years ago. I just don't buy a lot of the popular opinions of today, which the Ancient Greeks would have found ridiculous.

So called 'clinical diagnosis' achieves 2 things mainly:
1. It enriches big pharma and the psycho-medical complex.
2. It enables an excuse for the diagnosed to continue poor behavior.

Yes, there are people with brain injuries from accidents, drug use, sickness and so on, and there are mental development issues.

But most being diagnosed today are symptoms of their own bad and selfish thinking. In man is both the cause and the medicine.

Colin
 
I was reading Jung and working in rehabilitation 30 years ago. I just don't buy a lot of the popular opinions of today, which the Ancient Greeks would have found ridiculous.

So called 'clinical diagnosis' achieves 2 things mainly:
1. It enriches big pharma and the psycho-medical complex.
2. It enables an excuse for the diagnosed to continue poor behavior.

Yes, there are people with brain injuries from accidents, drug use, sickness and so on, and there are mental development issues.

But most being diagnosed today are symptoms of their own bad and selfish thinking. In man is both the cause and the medicine.

Colin

Just think about your own words and see if they make sense. You say you know why people do the things they do, and you also assume to know that they can just "get better" or "get over it" etc.
Colin, you are a textbook example of the stigma of mental illness.
I hope one day you change your mind.
Ive done my part.
 
Just think about your own words and see if they make sense. You say you know why people do the things they do, and you also assume to know that they can just "get better" or "get over it" etc.
Colin, you are a textbook example of the stigma of mental illness.
I hope one day you change your mind.
Ive done my part.
Change my mind to what opinion exactly?

I've given my thoughts on 2 people, Earl and OJ.

What exactly is your diagnosis or opinion, that we seem to be too uneducated to fathom?

FWIW I have observed Earl in real life for several hours on several occasions and have known several people in real life with almost the exact same behavior patterns... and basically, my clinical diagnosis is selfish *****s who lack empathy, who lack the intelligence to comprehend the world outside of their own desires.

Colin
 
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And of course, if only warning him with penalties does the trick, then in reality, Earl should NEVER have had a problem in a tournament, at any time, right ? You warn him, boom, back to normal, and you play on. How has that worked out over the last 30 years? Not so well, correct ?

Of course, you know symptoms can trigger when more stressed. Do you think, maybe, just maybe, that playing in professional pool tournaments trying to earn a living and pay the rent can be one of those situations. Jay, you have it out for Earl, we know it, but you must stop dismissing the obvious.

You're way off base here! I don't "have it out" for anyone, but would be foolish not to be on high alert when Earl is playing, based on his past history.

To answer your other question, NO, Earl is not back to normal after being warned. A warning usually will suffice to calm him down enough so the match can proceed. On more than one occasion I've had to babysit Earl for an entire match just to keep an eye on him and make sure he restrains himself. He does seem to respond to my presence in close proximity to the table, knowing his next outburst could be costly.

It's not fun for me to do this and it takes away from my other duties, but I really want Earl to play out his match if at all possible and not have to forfeit. I know people want to see Earl play pool and he does show occasional flashes of his old brilliance. I do agree that playing a pool match does seem to trigger all Earl's stress points and I'm not sure that he should be participating at all. But that is usually not my decision to make and like someone said earlier, many promoters want him in their events knowing that he is a draw.

I've pretty much spelled out all the gory details here for the world to see. My bottom line is that as the tournament director I want to run the event the best I possibly can, in fairness to all players. Earls behavior can often be disruptive to players on adjoining tables as well and I walk a fine line when dealing with him. You can criticize me all you want, but I'm the one in the cross hairs when Earl is playing and I'm directing. I have to make decisions that I think are in the best interest of the tournament.
 
Personally, I think if someone would smack Earl in the face with a pie , especially if its during a interview !! :D
 
Talk about mental illness all you want! If being a self centered pr**k with no empathy for others is a mental disease, then this guy is off the charts sick!

I've seen and known Earl since the early '80's. Back then, Iif he played in a televised event or there was a camera on him, he held his "spoiled brat" behavior to a minimum.

If he was gambling and away from the cameras, he would do anything to win which included constantly talking and moving while his opponent was at the table. If his opponent tried the same with him, you'd a thought he was a little whiny school girl.

After witnessing it many times, I was certain it was a sharking tactic.

Now, with his game slightly declining, I think he just doesn't care what others think with or without a camera on him.

Like I've said in a previous post about Earl's antics:
When Earl was young, his mentor said to him "No matter what you do in life, always show some class!".
Earl misunderstood him and thought he said "No matter what you do in life, always show your azz!" LOL


Stones
 
Change my mind to what opinion exactly?

I've given my thoughts on 2 people, Earl and OJ.

What exactly is your diagnosis or opinion, that we seem to be too uneducated to fathom?

FWIW I have observed Earl in real life for several hours on several occasions and have known several people in real life with almost the exact same behavior patterns... and basically, my clinical diagnosis is selfish *****s who lack empathy, who lack the intelligence to comprehend the world outside of their own desires.

Colin

Those ppl are called sociopaths
 
Earl has his fans and those who are not fans. That's a given.

FWIW, there used to be a player from Maryland named "Geese" who suffered from schizophrenia. I came to know Geese quite well, to include his family, e..g, mother and father. Geese was a great one-pocket player, but he could play all games. He went on the road many times when action games were rampant for road players. I accompanied him a few times. :cool:

When Geese was winning, he was on top of the world, much like Earl when Earl is playing good. When Geese was losing, though, his whole demeanor would change. He was quite different than Earl, though, when he would lose. Earl might be mouthy, but Geese was scary. I used to think Geese was full of you-know-what when this happened, but he had a medical condition.

I'm not sure if Geese's condition was hereditary or if it stemmed from him getting shock treatments as a young adult. He sometimes had to get a shot of some medicine when he got really bad. I can't remember the name of it, but it began with a "P."

One road trip, we were en route back to Maryland, and Geese became suddenly angry and asked me to pull over. I was driving his car. He got in the back seat. As we drove off, he started speaking some words that scared me like, "Your god is pulling against my god. You want me to lose." I could feel a chill go up my spine as Geese was uttering these words behind my back, in the back seat. We arrived in Roanoke to some pool room, and I immediate went to a pay phone to find out where the nearest bus station was. There was no way I was getting back in that car with him. :frown:

Some player -- I think his name was Roanoke Red -- took Geese outside and smoked some pot. Pot seemed to sedate Geese when he was in one of those moods. When it came time to leave, Geese said, "Let's go," but there was no way I was stepping foot in that car with him. His whole demeanor was different after smoking the pot. He then said something to me that I will never forget. He said, "I am sorry about that happening. I don't know why that happens to me, but I'm okay now. I really am. Come on. Let's go back home." And he started crying because he felt bad.

The thing is that whether it's bipolar, mental illness, schizophrenia -- call it what you want -- there are triggers that can cause an outbreak, much like what an epileptic suffers with when they have a seizure. For Geese, and maybe Earl, losing in a pool game triggers these outbreaks. They are, indeed, medical maladies. Some handle it better than others. Believe it or not, Earl handles it better than Geese did.

Now, I'm quite sure Earl won't like reading these words I have written, but I can say this is definitely true. Marijuana is the absolute *worst* thing a person can do if they suffer with any medical condition such as bipolar or schizophrenia. Altering one's state of consciousness at will with a person who has a medical condition such as schizophrenia or bipoolar causes side effects that a person without this medical condition would never experience. The emotional system of a person who suffers from one of these conditions goes way out of whack and will stay that way for a while.

For those who want to continue to believe that Earl or the Geeses of the world are faking it, it's your prerogative. I used to think Geese was faking it when he acted poorly, but he wasn't. It was a medical condition, and the side effects, unfortunately, happened when he was under pressure, much like what happens to Earl when he's in the heat of the battle on a field of green or tournament blue. Geese used to say he heard voices. I used to think he was full of it, but I was wrong. The voices inside his head were real to him.

There are many people today who suffer with bipolar, schizophrenia, or other medical conditions that go undiagnosed. It is a real medical condition, and sometimes the side effects, outbreaks, seizures -- call them what you want -- cannot be controlled, as some on this thread are wont to saying.
 
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Would at least EVERYONE agree, that regardless of why Earl acts the way that he does, nobody should have to put up with it -- including fans, players, and refs?

I have a feeling that many of those insisting that it must be a medical condition driving his behavior might say that we should all just "understand" Earl and keep putting up with it...
 
Would at least EVERYONE agree, that regardless of why Earl acts the way that he does, nobody should have to put up with it -- including fans, players, and refs?

I have a feeling that many of those insisting that it must be a medical condition driving his behavior might say that we should all just "understand" Earl and keep putting up with it...

It is what it is. If tournament promoters or tournament directors do not want Earl to compete in their events due to the fact that he may become mouthy, then they can ban him from their events. No problem there. :)

Truth of the matter is, though, you can take the top 50 players in the world and put them in a room, and take a guess where the majority of spectators will be sitting. It will be surrounding Earl's table. :D

Nobody is saying to give Earl a free pass. Of course, he has to follow the rules of all pool tournaments just like the rest of the competitors. He was thrown out of a tournament at Allen Hopkins' Pro Event at the Super Billiards Expo one year for an outbreak by the referee, so it has happened.

Earl is a draw for the Earl lovers *and* the Earl haters. Haters are going to hate, and they're going to continue to enjoy hating Earl.

No matter what is said about him, as they did with Alex Higgins, he is probably the best American pool champion of my lifetime. I respect that. As far as his behavior, I've been on the other side of Earl's rants before, but I forgive him, just like I hope he forgives me for my rants. ;)
 
You're way off base here! I don't "have it out" for anyone, but would be foolish not to be on high alert when Earl is playing, based on his past history.

To answer your other question, NO, Earl is not back to normal after being warned. A warning usually will suffice to calm him down enough so the match can proceed. On more than one occasion I've had to babysit Earl for an entire match just to keep an eye on him and make sure he restrains himself. He does seem to respond to my presence in close proximity to the table, knowing his next outburst could be costly.

It's not fun for me to do this and it takes away from my other duties, but I really want Earl to play out his match if at all possible and not have to forfeit. I know people want to see Earl play pool and he does show occasional flashes of his old brilliance. I do agree that playing a pool match does seem to trigger all Earl's stress points and I'm not sure that he should be participating at all. But that is usually not my decision to make and like someone said earlier, many promoters want him in their events knowing that he is a draw.

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Jay, I can only take you at your word, and you said, "I will only add this. When Earl has been warned with penalties for his behavior he has been able to tone it down dramatically. This is from my personal experience with him."


But now you say that he is NOT back to normal after warnings. This is how it works. Yes, if you hold someone's hand with a mental illness all day long, and watch them like a hawk, they are going to do a LOT better than on their own.

You in essence, we're holding his hand. Just as I was in Omaha when he was playing Archer. That is the root of the problem. Most folks can't have 24 hour "sitters".

And I'm not making excuses, I've seen this "condition" my entire life. It's treatable, but most folks won't get treatment because they don't know they have a problem, and family members just don't understand that it's more of chemical imbalance within the brain, and they are not just some moody jerk-off who changes moods at the drop of a hat.

And certainly folks without medical insurance are the most likely candidates to NOT get treated, and that is usually the poor, the unemployed and pool players ;) So, instead, folks usually self medicate through alcohol or drugs.

Again, I think you should kick him out of any tournament he can't behave. I think tournament officials should keep him out of a tourney if he feels he will be disruptive. I'm not sure how you think this is making excuses. Do your job, and do it well. Kudus on that.

But I just don't like the idea of being so dismissive about his condition as if he does this on purpose, and the fact you called him a moron. Because my mother had the EXACT same condition, and she was not a moron. I didn't know it until I spent a few days with him, but it has to be the same thing or at least in the same ball park.

You're still aces in my book, you treated me great at DCC a few years ago when Freddy introduced me to you, and you let me help you out on the 1PCKTchallenge table. So, not trying to pick a fight with you only trying to shed some light on a subject that many folks are not really aware of, and maybe, just maybe, cut Earl a little slack on his outbursts. You still don't have to like Earl, but at least know why he does it.

Later, RJ
 
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Here's an interesting back-and-forth between Earl and Keith on AzBilliards. The two of them ended up in the finals, which went to the infamous double hill. Man, that was a great finals. There is a video of it somewhere, but I can't find it. If I do, I will post it on YouTube. It was good pool shooting by both. Earl won, but it only hurt for a little bit. :D

FWIW, Earl and Keith both made this finals fun with friendly bantor back and forth between the two of them. Even when Earl was losing in the match, he was okay at this tournament. Here is the exchange when the dust settled. Ironically, it was written on April Fool's Day of 2003. --> HERE

Here's an article about the finals --> HERE
 

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Funny, I was going to start a thread about Earl...

The above linked Bonus Ball video pretty much sums it up... Earl is going to wind up walking around downtown NY penniless, holding a cue and yelling at everyone, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM??"

I think he is ADD, or something close... there's a switch that gets thrown, and once it does, that's it, he's off. There's a little 'persecution syndrome' thing going on too..."They're All Against Me"...

I watched Earl warming up for a match in SoCal, doing his extreme draw shots... he made a power draw, turned around to everybody watching, and yelled "DID YOU SEE WHAT I JUST DID??"

It's a shame really... Earl in his heyday was the most feared 9 baller ever, IMO.
His high gear was unreal... crush the break (with his player cue), two stroke every ball, perfect shape. Now he's just a complainer, the other guy's rolls, the table, the balls, the sound system, the crowd.


Just watch The Earl Strickland Story be ESPN. He is bipolar. All true.


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JAM...For the record, that ref was a nutcase who totally overreacted. Not excusing Earl's behavior, but it wasn't over the top at that event, like it has been at some others.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

He was thrown out of a tournament at Allen Hopkins' Pro Event at the Super Billiards Expo one year for an outbreak by the referee, so it has happened.
 
Here's an interesting back-and-forth between Earl and Keith on AzBilliards. The two of them ended up in the finals, which went to the infamous double hill. Man, that was a great finals. There is a video of it somewhere, but I can't find it. If I do, I will post it on YouTube. It was good pool shooting by both. Earl won, but it only hurt for a little bit. :D

FWIW, Earl and Keith both made this finals fun with friendly bantor back and forth between the two of them. Even when Earl was losing in the match, he was okay at this tournament. Here is the exchange when the dust settled. Ironically, it was written on April Fool's Day of 2003. --> HERE

Here's an article about the finals --> HERE
Thanks for this post!! Didn't even know Earl was on AZB before. Guess he is one of those who was "chased away"?
Big Green for you!
 
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JAM...For the record, that ref was a nutcase who totally overreacted. Not excusing Earl's behavior, but it wasn't over the top at that event, like it has been at some others.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I was there when they had a Pro Men's 8 ball one year in VF.
Saw Earl whack the cue ball off the table swinging the cue stick like a baseball bat.
Was that the time?
THAT would be a little over the top I'll grant you that. hehe :wink:
 
JAM...For the record, that ref was a nutcase who totally overreacted. Not excusing Earl's behavior, but it wasn't over the top at that event, like it has been at some others.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

This ejection happened at the 2011 SBE.

Given what you say here, Scott, I think it's fair to let people read what the tournament director, Frank Del Pizzo, had to say about it: http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201103/billiard-news/billiards-referee-tells-his-side-of-story.html

And Kickin' Chicken's account of one of Earl's matches at the event: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2905046&postcount=9
 
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