Yeah, that's a whopping 2.007:1 ratio. WAY off! Lol
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Yeah, that's a whopping 2.007:1 ratio. WAY off! Lol
You have said multiple times it only works on a 2X1 ratio table. That if you introduced a pocket somewhere else, or shifted the rails, it would not work. A snooker table is half an inch longer in the long direction than the nominal 2x1 ratio. Now, obviously that's not much, and yes, I'm nitpicking a little. But by your own words, would that not imply that certain shots on a snooker table would miss, by 1/2"? (Depending on the approach angle of course). 1/2" is huge in snooker, considering the extra table size, the smaller pocket size, and the corner rounds that reject more balls than pool tables.
John:
If I had to take a swing at this (in terms of a wild guess), I'd have to say that system users tend to be more "involved in the system" in terms of what you'd see on the top of their minds while they're actually playing. In other words, if you could pluck the thoughts of a system user while they're playing pool, instead of "ok, I need to have the cue ball stun over for this next shot, and the pattern then becomes 14-5-9-2-10-3 with the 7-ball being my break ball" (as would be expected from someone not wrapped up in an aiming system), we'd see "A, left pivot; C, right pivot; B, right pivot; C, left pivot; A, right pivot; ..." etc. And, here's the big one: users of systems are more demonstrative [of the system] than non-system users are -- that's why they're equipped with cameras, recording equipment, etc., posting videos to "explain the system" or the virtues of said system.
Don't misunderstand me -- I'm not trying to say that non-system users aren't equipped with video equipment. Some are. But these folks tend not to be participants in aiming discussions, etc. Rather, the folks that I know that are equipped tend to be after high runs in 14.1, or beating the ghost in short-rack rotation, or going after a single-inning high run in one pocket, or filming their league matches, etc.
Personally, the only reason why I'd want to film myself, is when I'm on a high run in 14.1 to document it, or if I want to create a little instructional video on running balls in one pocket. Whenever I'm playing pool or snooker, the last thing I'm thinking about is filming myself or thinking about some AZB debate I need to disprove. I'm never thinking about the happenings at AZB when I'm at the pool table. I think you know that I have nothing to prove to people here -- folks are welcome to take me on when they see me, and IMHO that's where the rubber really hits the road.
Yet, we see system users constantly filming their sessions at the table and posting them on YouTube, with the end result being a post to AZB with a link to that video. And, whenever I bump into friends (e.g. from AZB) that are into aiming systems, it never fails -- the conversation always seems to be steered towards aiming systems in some way, shape, or fashion. You and I are a good example; whenever we get together, what happens? Somehow, some way, the conversation bends (picture an iron bar being bent with brute strength, and the resulting squealing sound of metal fatigue) towards aiming systems, even in the middle of enjoying a nice competitive match between us.
I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the system users constantly have "the system" on their minds, and everything they do in pool has "the system" bubbling to the surface of all their thoughts. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I see.
P.S.: please don't take that as me being critical of any aiming system. I think anything that helps one play a better game of pool is always good. But don't let that take over your perception of the game or why you play it in the first place.
-Sean
Consider this......it takes two to argue.......if you don't reply......there is no arguement......notice I don't get into on line arguements like I used too, at least to the depths I use to take it.
So which is the worse problem, people like JB or those that keep arguing with these types of people?
You either get my points or you don't and there is no sense in trying convince those that don't. It's their freedom of choice and freedom to reply with their thoughts, no matter what they are.
I've never been one of the herd.
So which is the worse problem, people like JB or those that keep arguing with these types of people?
You either get my points or you don't and there is no sense in trying convince those that don't. It's their freedom of choice and freedom to reply with their thoughts, no matter what they are.
I've never been one of the herd.
Duckie:
You need to stay out of dynamics you have no clue about. John and I are friends. We are quite friendly in-person (and that's the key operative part -- in person). We enjoy each other's company and have quite lively discussions.
Here at AZB, the posts you see from me where I'm responding to him are just continuations of said lively discussion. John knows that what I say on AZB, and in-person, are the same. No difference.
However, NOONE knows who you are. You are an Internet nobody. All efforts to locate you at Edgies -- per your challenge -- go un-met because you can't be found there. You only show up here on AZB, and specifically only here on the Aiming Conversation forum, because you have some axe to grind on this aiming fixation you have.
So please, spare us the "lecture" on your supposed high road and how to interact on forums. You need to take your own advice, and lose this fixation you have.
-Sean
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And certain folks wonder why aiming threads dip their wing and do the death-spiral into the ground.
Nobcitypool used to be a level-headed person. Now I'm beginning to think he can spot Neil in the anger department.
-Sean
Sean, perhaps it is because people like you take shots but can't handle any return fire. And yet another shot at me and anger. You don't know me at all. I've been blessed beyond belief, I don't have anything to be angry about. However, I also have no issue responding when someone decides to take shots at me. Perhaps you live in a world where you're privileged to do as you please with no reprisal. You don't want responses from me, don't direct your comments and insults towards me. Not sure how anger has anything to do with that.
Mark:
This is the crux of the matter right there -- that you think I'm "taking shots at you." I'm not. In the initial/previous post where you thought I was "taking a shot at you," I was actually just debating your stance, using my normal/ordinary stream-of-consciousness method. Yet, you've become so sensitive over the last year or so (maybe longer? I've lost touch with this aiming forum's dynamics), that it appears you take *ANY* disagreement with your stance as "taking a shot at you."
So, yes, in reply to your accusations that I was "taking a shot at you," I did engage a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor that was directed at you. Part of that was to show you the difference between A.) just plain debating (as I did in my original reply post), and B.) really putting the crosshairs on you. Again, you should easily see the difference. And compare that, with putting the crosshairs on duckie. You should really see the difference now. No?
-Sean
Consider this... if you are not going to defend your own argument, why start them in the first place?
Because he's the Internet equivalent of John Belushi in Animal House, where he does the zit impression with the chewed-up donut, yells "Food Fight!!!" and then runs out of the room.
-Sean
So now you're comparing me to duckie? LOL I got it Sean, it's all okay. I'm not going to compare you to English either.
So now you're comparing me to duckie? LOL I got it Sean, it's all okay. I'm not going to compare you to English either.
There we go -- now *THAT* is the nobcitypool I know from a couple years ago.
No, wasn't trying to compare you to duckie, but rather show you the difference between innocuous debating, and REALLY taking a shot at someone.
-Sean <-- humor is always the best medicine
I hear you. I think for those like me it's been such a long effort that it's always on my mind.
My overriding point is that in regards to here system users have met every challenge. It seems we are the ones who have considered every side of the argument and taken those points to the table to work them out.
I feel that opponents owe more to the conversation that words at this point. It's frustrating when you have given them every bit of consideration, taken on every challenge presented and still are insulted and put down with every other sentence.
a stone cold champion......
He's a stone cold champion......
And certain folks wonder why aiming threads dip their wing and do the death-spiral into the ground.
Nobcitypool used to be a level-headed person. Now I'm beginning to think he can spot Neil in the anger department.
-Sean
He's a stone cold champion......
Jealousy doesn't become you CJ. :wink:
Ouch......
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So now you're comparing me to duckie? LOL I got it Sean, it's all okay. I'm not going to compare you to English either.
I know. But other than the obvious fault of thinking I was "comparing him" to duckie (when I was actually showing differences), it was a great humorous twist, and I give it a thumbs up. :thumbup2:
-Sean <-- "any comparisons to the banned ENGLISH!, whether real or imagined, are unintentional and coincidental"
