Cloth BURN marks G10 and/or Phenolic.

Tom In Cincy

Tom In Cincy

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Simonis installed Wednesday last week (July 1st) and has had some play (retail) but the 9 Ball tournament was Sunday when these pictures were taken.

As bad as these look, I was able to take a 'break cloth pad' and rub that cloth into the burn marks and they were covered up.

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How did tips do that? Did someone turn the shaft upside down and rub it on the cloth? I'd be pretty pissed if that was my table
 
My G10 on the x-breaker does this but not to this extreme.... like he said it rubs off with a little work or over time. The G10 does this more so then any phenolic ever does. Whoever did this needs to learn a bit more control however.
 
Is this your personaly table or does someone else play on it? More infor would help. I break with a phenolic tip and etc and I break them decent, and I never leave marks like that on the table.
 
chin0 said:
Is this your personaly table or does someone else play on it? More infor would help. I break with a phenolic tip and etc and I break them decent, and I never leave marks like that on the table.
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He said it was (retail) and they just played a tourny on it this weekend... pretty detailed I thought lol.
 
To me, this looks like the tip of the cue after a break draging along the cloth and then retracted along the cloth.

Next week, put up a sign about dragin the tip on the table and have a $50-$100 fine for doing it. Brush the cloth gently cross grain to minimize the visibility, so that when someone does this--bang you have him nailed. The manager/owner needs to be present as a witness. Take pictures before the game begins.
 
ShootingRazbone said:
He said it was (retail) and they just played a tourny on it this weekend... pretty detailed I thought lol.
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Crap, lol mis-read it. I would have to say now is probably someone who doesn't know what they are doing that caused those marks. Like jabbing the cue into the cloth while breaking during their follow through. Though I don't have much experience to have much concrete in my words. Maybe someone have a more educated and correct answer.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Simonis installed Wednesday last week (July 1st) and has had some play (retail) but the 9 Ball tournament was Sunday when these pictures were taken.

As bad as these look, I was able to take a 'break cloth pad' and rub that cloth into the burn marks and they were covered up.

Comments?
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That was done by one player with a break where they really hit the cloth. You can even see where they marked the cloth when they pulled back the cue after the break. It would not matter what kind of tip that guy had he would have done that. Especially on new cloth where it would show up. I had Mike Sigal really tear up a cloth of mine with his break playing a few sets.
 
For some reason those marks dont bother me, i dont know why, they just dont
 
It's not intentional vandalism - it's merely the marks that the break makes on the cloth. It comes from the cloth fibers compressing along the path that the cue tip takes. The fibers can be brought back to their normal state with a damp cloth during normal cleaning and brushing of the table.

In China they clean the table after every session and these marks disappear.

John - plenty of experience with this.
 
well now

looks to me like someone took the cue ball and ground it in while preparing to place it for the break.....i break and shoot with g-10 lots of games and i have simonis and there are no marks like this...
 
Those marks were made by a right handed player you can tell by the way the marks move towards the left at the end and then were drug back to the right. all left handed player are safe from this damage
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Simonis installed Wednesday last week (July 1st) and has had some play (retail) but the 9 Ball tournament was Sunday when these pictures were taken.

As bad as these look, I was able to take a 'break cloth pad' and rub that cloth into the burn marks and they were covered up.

Comments?
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I have had this happen once in my Room, I started watching more closely and found a player who for some reason was stroking so low on the cue ball during the break that his tip and the edge of his ferrule were dragging the cloth back and forth. I stopped the guy, and showed him the proper method for breaking a rack, in my case that solved the problem.

I find that most people for whatever reason seem to hit the cue ball above center and thus jump the ball off the table until they learn how to properly break. But, I guess it takes all kinds and until you figure out who is doing it, it is going to be frustrating. If it is one of your better players they still have to correct their problem, and no matter what they say it is a problem, because no room owner can afford to replace cloth every couple of months.

One thing I have found that will greatly extent the life of your cloth is changing the spot on the table from end to end every month. This will help the cloth to wear more evenly and reduce the friction marks from people breaking under normal circumstances.

Hope this helps
 
I had a good buddy Phillip Taylor that was notorious for this, he used a G-10 tip. He also strokes through his break shot to about the middle of the table, and when he mishits the break below center bet your ass he wil drag that tip across the table and make those burns you are looking at.

With that said, they don't bother me and he was always welcome to play at my house. Unless it is causing tears and effecting playability I dont get to up at arms about it, but Im not a very particular person. Jump cues can cause these too.
 
I'd bet $1000 that the guy has the x-breaker with the g-10 tip. Mine made those white lines and they would rub off.

here is a video of me breaking with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDQ7C8aC-o

You can't see the white lines in the video but just look for the guy with a break cue that looks like the one in my video and that's the guy you may want to ask to use a different stick.

HOpe this helps.
 
Luxury said:
I'd bet $1000 that the guy has the x-breaker with the g-10 tip. Mine made those white lines and they would rub off.

here is a video of me breaking with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDQ7C8aC-o

You can't see the white lines in the video but just look for the guy with a break cue that looks like the one in my video and that's the guy you may want to ask to use a different stick.

HOpe this helps.
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Like I said.... it was a G10 tip... I'll bet you my paycheck. The x-breaker has a G-10 tip that isn't cut down like most phenloic tips on other break cues. The G-10 is clear to white and this is exactly what it does.... all the tip has to do is graze the cloth for this to happen... like I said before this is a bit extreme however and the breaker needs to tone it down a bit some how.
 
MitchAlsup said:
To me, this looks like the tip of the cue after a break draging along the cloth and then retracted along the cloth... the game begins.
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chin0 said:
Crap, ...probably someone who doesn't know what they are doing that caused those marks...
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I agree with Mitch, someone burying the tip into cloth while breaking. I get them on my table too, but not so bad. Someone more motivated could likely discern how many games breaker won too!

Chin0- some would say I have no idea what I am doing. I just love to watch 'em roll...
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