This thread is about poolology and better left for Brian to answer regarding his method. Maybe he sprays or treats the balls with this before playing.
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This thread is about poolology and better left for Brian to answer regarding his method. Maybe he sprays or treats the balls with this before playing.
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I know there are others using CTE. And yes, I'm sure they've become proficient with it and have benefited greatly from Stan's hard work. I agree that all systems require practice. But due to the difficulty of some systems, many players continually struggle, even after years of trying to nail down one system or another. Stan puts it best when he says ghostball and contact point methods are too hard to imagine or too small to see. That's why he has dedicated a decade or more of his life developing or improving upon another method of pocketing balls.
Regarding the "traditional" half ball shot....Stan used that word to distinguish the CTE spot shot approach from traditional approaches, specifically referring to aiming directly for the outer edge/circumference of the OB, a fractional 1/2 ball shot. I agree with his premise that TRADITIONAL fractional aiming depends on how well a player can estimate the angles, because (as Stan says) angles are invisible. My reply was to simply clarify the difference between what Stan was calling traditional, and what Poolology offers, which is not traditional.
And there is no "exact" laser beam position for a cut shot. Different speeds and different angles produce varying amounts of throw. Add spin to the equation and that exact laser-measured spot is no longer exact. Even Stan says he stuns the balls in. That statement alone means there is some sort of angle manipulation/adjustment occurring. At a perfect 1/2 ball 30° shot, a rolling cue will actually produce a shot angle closer to 28°. Stunning the ball would cause that 30° shot to come off around 26°. lf the OB lies 6 diamonds from the pocket, that 4° throw leads to a missed shot. So all the talk about precision and laser accuracy may sound great for an infomercial, but the reality is simple: Due to speed, spin, and ball/cloth conditions (all of which are based on a player's ability to FEEL the shot), no cut shot is laser accurate every time, regardless of which aiming system is preferred, unless the player has a great feel for shooting balls.
My truck has 4-wheel drive. It works like a charm, like magic when I need it. But I don't use it all the time, because I only need it at certain times. I don't understand what is so unbelievable or so difficult to understand about that.
What planet were you born on Brian and how did you get here on Earth? This entire paragraph you wrote is so off base from what I said it's mind numbing.
The only reason why I think you posted it in the way you did is for a "diversionary" tactic to change the subject or you have an incredible reading comprehension problem. Dyslexia maybe?
What I was referring to about a laser was how the SPOT at the foot end of the table was installed or adhered for a 100% accurate 30 degree angle spot shot if the CB was also oriented to it properly.
The SPOT, the SPOT, the SPOT for 30 degree SPOT SHOTS. Not individual or random SHOTS.
When I had my last new cloth install done on my table, the mechanic used two lasers going vertically and horizontally from the end rail diamonds and the side rail diamonds to install the SPOT exactly where they crossed.
In the past they used string going in both directions and put the "spot" where it intersected. I thought the lasers were more accurate and neat.
My car has AWD and it stays that way just like my aiming system and I like it because I don't have to bother switching when I suddenly hit the icy or wet spot in the road and it's too late. What's your point?
Poolology accounts for a typical amount of throw, or "cling" factor. "Typical" is usually 1 to 2 degrees with a rolling cueball ball at medium speed. I used collision-induced-throw data from Dr Dave's Illustrated Principles of Pool and Billiards, and plotted the zones and alignment values accordingly to account for throw effects. Stun shots produce the most throw, often twice the typical amount for shots between 3/4 and 1/2 ball hits. Outside english or draw can reduce the throw back to typical ranges. For thinner cuts, speed affects throw the most. So a player must learn how to feel the shots while shooting.
I honestly believe no system can truly be accurate if a player does not understand throw and how to deal with it. Poolology will pocket every ball for a player, provided the shot is struck with a normal playing speed and a rolling cueball. Outside of those parameters, I believe all aiming systems would require a certain amount of experienced tweaking on various shots.
A little off subject but google Bosch laser GTL2. Talk about a laser tool that makes marking the intersections on a pool table easy. I mark all the intersections for easy placement of balls for drills, patterns, etc.
Also someone mentioned that the new CTE book coming out will NOT have pivoting? I thought the whole system was oriented around the pivot?
Initially on the first DVD it taught CTE with a manual pivot and can still be used that way if one prefers. It was easier for instructional purposes as well as learning by the uninitiated. Some players just blew the entire system off and said it was too hard and different from what they'd been doing. Well, no kidding. It is different.
DVD 2 is about CTE Pro One and it's a visual system from start to finish. No manual pivoting. I'm not sure what Stan is going to include in the book regarding a manual pivot, if at all.
How did an old geezer like yourself get so in tune with a new fangled laser device such as this for use on the table? What happened to good old T-squares and plastic angles? LMAO
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I feel like I'm in a different planet sometimes. What you posted was, " Where is the exact location of the CB supposed to be, also assuming the OB spot is laser measured nuts on where it's supposed to be vertically and horizontally with the table diamonds?"
Had no idea you were referring to the TABLE spot and not an OB position spot as stated plainly in your text. My bad.
Anyway, watch Stan's new spot shot video. That is where the focus of this spot shot conversation originated.
What I wrote (in what I thought was standard English) was that a 30° shot comes off the the CB a few degrees off. It's only 100% dead nuts 30° if a player compensates for throw with 100% accuracy, which is 100% feel-dependent. The method in which the foot spot was placed on your table has nothing to do with it.
No Brian, THIS is what I posted and I DID NOT just change it to suit what I said. I may have edited some words in the post but it was WELL before you made the post. Here's the post:
So what Stan was using is now considered a TRADITIONAL method? The luxury of knowing it's a 30 degree shot depends entirely on the exact placement of the CB in relationship to the OB. A 1/2 inch or more variance makes it something else other than a 30 degree shot. Where is the exact location of the CB supposed to be, also assuming the OB spot is laser measured nuts on where it's supposed to be vertically and horizontally with the table diamonds for a spot shot?
I'm old and lazy. Show me an easier way and I'm all in. Same with aiming systems. Are there any touring professionals that use CTE exclusively? I have not seen any approach the ball the way Stan does (15-30 degree perception, etc.) but again, what do I know?
You don't know what you don't know and what there is to know.
You wouldn't mind shooting like he does or his son, would you? Even if you could do nothing but shoot spot shots for bets with the unsuspecting it would increase your retirement income.
I've heard his own son does not use CTE. You know better?
This should be real good. Who is your so called reliable source? Does he know better?
First we have a retired guy that lives in the boonies of Oregon who knows nothing at all about CTE, but has first hand knowledge with claims that Landon doesn't use CTE.
Not long ago I heard Elvis and Prince were still alive. You know better?
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Exactly. The last sentence is the reference to a laser and OB spot for spot shots. No mention of foot spot, table spot, etc.... I believe you just like to argue, even when there's nothing to argue about, and you're very good at it. Lol
Not all birds build their nests in the same tree, and that's okay with me, as long as I am still free to fly.
I just made that up. Or maybe it's an old saying on my home planet.
If space travel becomes available in the future, I would advise all humans not to go there or forever be confused and in a state of dementia.
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Thank you very much.
That clarifies things a great deal about the 'throw/cling'
Best to you..
That's the rumor. Rumor had it that Eddie Wilson of Eddie and The Cruisers was dead but it ended up being not true. Eddie lives.
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