Conditions to participate in the upcoming U.S. Open

When the gap in the US Open at it's BH ending became available Pat Fleming created and named his event different.
Pat....did NOT encroach on what Barry had borne, he created a new name.
My hopes in the future, is that these two events will keep the world players on our shores longer, which in turn will HOPEFULLY create a true sport/game that has so long has been needed.
It's been the only venues I've ever played in, along with two World events, that shows what the game truly is..... these events demand respect and true sportsmanship.
Having been in the Olympic time trials in my youth, with my dad a Black Hawks player, true sportsmanship are in my background.
Those world type events can/will create a life for the man or woman at the table.
They can create a true SPORT.
 
i don't know the back story about MG:s US Opens, but i will say that even if they have been embarressingly sparsely attended they do provide something very valuable in providing a straight pool title (and one pocket too, for that matter) in a time with very little straight pool on display. if you want to play or watch straight pool tournaments today you are pretty much completely starved.

now it doesn't seem that matchroom had their aim at our beloved niche games, so that may be a moot point anyway. i too have high hopes for matchroom although expecting a proper tour within the next few years might be overly enthusiastic. i hope to be proven wrong.
Then....do you think it's ok, for other smaller grass court tennis events to call their competitions Wimbledon???
Or other smaller PGA events to be called the Masters?
Or if they play on another red clay, to call it Rolland Garros?
 
Then....do you think it's ok, for other smaller grass court tennis events to call their competitions Wimbledon???
Or other smaller PGA events to be called the Masters?
Or if they play on another red clay, to call it Rolland Garros?

that is, i suspect, buried in the back story i confessed to not knowing much about.. i just wanna see straight pool once in a while.
 
In a nutshell, yes. Matchroom is adding more pool events each year. Barry Hearn recently said this in a Billiards Digest interview with Mike Panozzo, the publisher. Basically, Matchroom, in my opinion, is saying if you compete in another pool event that is of the 9-ball discipline during the same time as a Matchroom 9-ball discipline, then you will not be able to compete in a Matchroom 9-ball discipline tournament in the future. I am thinking the person's name will be black-listed from Matchroom events if they do compete in another 9-ball discipline at the same time as a Matchroom one.

When Bonus Ball came in existence, pro players deserted Greg Sullivan, the Derby City Classic promoter, when he was having an event at the same time. Greg's event was already scheduled, but Bonus Ball created dates for competitions at the exact same time, not giving any credence to Greg Sullivan's Derby City Classic event in the South. I can't remember where it was held, but it was in the summer down South. Well-known pros, as we all know, praised Bonus Ball, just like some of us praised the IPT when it was in existence. Pool people are a fickle bunch, I tell you, and there's no loyalty in pool.

Without a governing body of international pool that is more hands-on (WPA) and a governing both of North American pool, what the BCA organization used to do, there is nothing stopping anyone from scheduling a pool event at the exact same time as Matchroom. If Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour has scheduled a Season Finale at Turning Stone and a Matchroom 9-ball style event is schedule at the exact same time, it will cause a divide with some players, just as an example. Matchroom's agreement is basically saying "choose us," and if not, you may not be allowed to compete in Matchroom events again. That's my interpretation today.

The wording of the "agreement" was poor, and Emily Frazer at the time was taking a hiatus from social media. So there was nobody to ask questions about the "agreement." She had deactivated her Facebook account, which made me wonder if she was still working for Matchroom. Emily made it known on public podcasts that she is a very huge proponent of social media for pro players, and for her to "disappear" from social media, I was curious if she was still involved with Matchroom. I like Emily and think she's great for pool, but I realize she may have needed a break from all the hoopla associated with Matchroom. It can be quite heavy, I imagine. She emerged again on Facebook after this thread and other threads on Matchroom Pool Forum on Facebook about this "agreement" started heating up. It could be coincidence that she emerged at the same time as these threads. I'm not sure, but she answered a thread on Facebook about it, which I posted in this thread. She did not reply to me directly, though. It was a reply in a thread about this topic.

After all, Emily is the face of pool for Matchroom, and we have all come to clamor to her every word. She works hard and puts in 1,000 percent. I am looking forward to seeing what Matchroom has to offer in the future. Barry Hearn is still involved in the background and has his eye on the pool needle globally. Time will tell.

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Thanks for the response. I agree with most of what you wrote except the Tunica events. I feel Bonusball was used as a scapegoat 10 years ago and ever since. I was at both Tunica events. There was no shortage of top pros in attendance at either, imo. Both events had the same vibe as DCC but to a smaller scale. I think it was simply the economy at that time wasn’t so hot. If Bonus ball was never made I still think Tunica would have folded after two events. Imo:)
 
Thanks for the response. I agree with most of what you wrote except the Tunica events. I feel Bonusball was used as a scapegoat 10 years ago and ever since. I was at both Tunica events. There was no shortage of top pros in attendance at either, imo. Both events had the same vibe as DCC but to a smaller scale. I think it was simply the economy at that time wasn’t so hot. If Bonus ball was never made I still think Tunica would have folded after two events. Imo:)
A second DCC-style event might still work but it needs to be somewhere a tad more urbane than Tunica. I went to the first one and wasn't impressed with the location. I think Kan City would be perfect. Easy to get to and more to do than just hang at the event.
 
Thanks for the response. I agree with most of what you wrote except the Tunica events. I feel Bonusball was used as a scapegoat 10 years ago and ever since. I was at both Tunica events. There was no shortage of top pros in attendance at either, imo. Both events had the same vibe as DCC but to a smaller scale. I think it was simply the economy at that time wasn’t so hot. If Bonus ball was never made I still think Tunica would have folded after two events. Imo:)
From what I recall from reading here, BonusBall was more of an issue to the second Ultimate 10-ball tournament. The first year, before BonusBall, was pretty big, as I recall...and the second year suffered. It had a pretty good payout, if I recall, too...

And after that poor result, the backer decided to not do another one, sadly. Again, according to my fleeting memory from reading here, back in the day
 
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Matchroom's profit motive will serve pool well.

Matchroom, similarly, didn't get involved with snooker years ago to save that sport, but when the business grew along with the demand for the pro snooker product, the prize money available to pro players went through the roof.

Matchroom's profit motives in pool, if achieved, will grow both the sport and the income which participants can derive from it by competing.
Profit motives are the incentive of capitalism

Hope your well Stu

best
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Correct me if I'm wring, I did not read all the posts... This whole thread and all the FB hoopla is all about basically a mis-wording? Matchroom is in fact ok with any of the other "US Open" events, as long as they are not in the "9 ball discipline"?
We don’t know the intent, and I wouldn’t take their social media comments on it at face value.

The plain language of it looks like it targeted Mark Griffin’s US Opens (8 ball, 10 ball, straight pool, etc.). Emily Frazer says on social media it doesn’t apply to those, only 9-ball. But no one has a competing or alternate “US Open 9 ball” so why bother with that at all? Furthermore, the language was vague enough that it could be interpreted as targeting any pool tournament, and Emily Frazer’s comments say that it IS about 9-ball, so could it target Pat Fleming’s event? I wouldn’t be happy as a player until the language was changed. It’s not hard to do.
 
this is a worrisome part of the article, near the end:


Imagine the screaming, beer-chuggin' fans at the US Open or World 9ball finals... 'Yuuuuurup'
Mosconi Cup seems to work just fine.
The production is done to encapsulate what's needed to promote the venue, not inflame the above point of view
We don’t know the intent, and I wouldn’t take their social media comments on it at face value.

The plain language of it looks like it targeted Mark Griffin’s US Opens (8 ball, 10 ball, straight pool, etc.). Emily Frazer says on social media it doesn’t apply to those, only 9-ball. But no one has a competing or alternate “US Open 9 ball” so why bother with that at all? Furthermore, the language was vague enough that it could be interpreted as targeting any pool tournament, and Emily Frazer’s comments say that it IS about 9-ball, so could it target Pat Fleming’s event? I wouldn’t be happy as a player until the language was changed. It’s not hard to do.
Could of, should of, would of, maybe could of................

These below words/event titls are different and CLEAR to me.

US Open 9 Ball


International Open


If you want to argue about your Fleming statement....go for it.
 
From what I recall from reading here, BonusBall was more of an issue to the second Ultimate 10-ball tournament. The first year, before BonusBall, was pretty big, as I recall...and the second year suffered. It had a pretty good payout, if I recall, too...

And after that poor result, the backer decided to not do another one, sadly. Again, according to my fleeting memory from reading here, back in the day
Bonus Ball ran events at the same time as Greg's DCC Tunica event and the Ultimate 10-ball tournament, unfortunately. I know Greg felt disappointed that a few pros that told him they would come to Tunica went to Bonus Ball instead after they told Greg they'd be in Tunica. I remember that Ultimate 10-ball one was another Bonus Ball clash. You're right.
 
Personally I think they are making a mistake thinking they can transpose a MC environment to US pool.

The Europeans bring their soccer style “atmosphere” with them and the Americans try and keep up at the MC. But we don’t have that loud tradition for pool here. So I think that concept is DOA.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Personally I think they are making a mistake thinking they can transpose a MC environment to US pool.

The Europeans bring their soccer style “atmosphere” with them and the Americans try and keep up at the MC. But we don’t have that loud tradition for pool here. So I think that concrpt is DOA.

Lou Figueroa

I dont ever remember playing pool in a library or Church, it was always at a loud poolroom or bar.

Hell, the louder the better.

I say bring on Mosconi style with no quiet time at all, let the fans have fun and let the players fist pump and yell all they want. Playing in a library certainly hasn't brought the fans.

And yes, all these big bar box tournaments have plenty of music and distractions, even a fight or 2 occasionally 😉
 
We don’t know the intent, and I wouldn’t take their social media comments on it at face value.

The plain language of it looks like it targeted Mark Griffin’s US Opens (8 ball, 10 ball, straight pool, etc.). Emily Frazer says on social media it doesn’t apply to those, only 9-ball. But no one has a competing or alternate “US Open 9 ball” so why bother with that at all? Furthermore, the language was vague enough that it could be interpreted as targeting any pool tournament, and Emily Frazer’s comments say that it IS about 9-ball, so could it target Pat Fleming’s event? I wouldn’t be happy as a player until the language was changed. It’s not hard to do.
Its potential goal might be to protect against a future event that tries to call itself a US Open 9 ball championship. They may not have a current event in mind. I'm not familiar with another US Open 9 ball event in the last 40ish years but we've seen other events that try to style themselves as a World-ish 9 ball championship. For example, the China Open is officially called the China World 9 ball Open, maybe that's the type of stuff they are trying to protect against.
 
The vague poorly written language would lead players to fear entering both tournaments this fall and all
they have to do is say...."oh we didn't mean it that way."

When the language was designed to do exactly what it did and that was intimidate the players and hurt the
promoter of the later event. The purpose of it is clear.


We don’t know the intent, and I wouldn’t take their social media comments on it at face value.

The plain language of it looks like it targeted Mark Griffin’s US Opens (8 ball, 10 ball, straight pool, etc.). Emily Frazer says on social media it doesn’t apply to those, only 9-ball. But no one has a competing or alternate “US Open 9 ball” so why bother with that at all? Furthermore, the language was vague enough that it could be interpreted as targeting any pool tournament, and Emily Frazer’s comments say that it IS about 9-ball, so could it target Pat Fleming’s event? I wouldn’t be happy as a player until the language was changed. It’s not hard to do.
Its potential goal might be to protect against a future event that tries to call itself a US Open 9 ball championship. They may not have a current event in mind. I'm not familiar with another US Open 9 ball event in the last 40ish years but we've seen other events that try to style themselves as a World-ish 9 ball championship. For example, the China Open is officially called the China World 9 ball Open, maybe that's the type of stuff they are trying to protect against.
 
Its potential goal might be to protect against a future event that tries to call itself a US Open 9 ball championship. They may not have a current event in mind. I'm not familiar with another US Open 9 ball event in the last 40ish years but we've seen other events that try to style themselves as a World-ish 9 ball championship. For example, the China Open is officially called the China World 9 ball Open, maybe that's the type of stuff they are trying to protect against.
Yep....Barry Created a brand name, created HOF players and the respect of the mfg and distributors. No different that velcro/ford/honda trademarks. Business as expected. Like my copywrites to the domain name I own.
 
Mosconi Cup seems to work just fine.
The production is done to encapsulate what's needed to promote the venue, not inflame the above point of view

Could of, should of, would of, maybe could of................

These below words/event titls are different and CLEAR to me.

US Open 9 Ball


International Open


If you want to argue about your Fleming statement....go for it.


Personally I think they are making a mistake thinking they can transpose a MC environment to US pool.

The Europeans bring their soccer style “atmosphere” with them and the Americans try and keep up at the MC. But we don’t have that loud tradition for pool here. So I think that concrpt is DOA.

Lou Figueroa
I dont know about that. The American's at Vegas the last time got into the spirit pretty good!

As a viewer watching it at home, it's a hell of a lot more exciting when it is played in England. One of these days I'd like to watch the mosconi cup giant screen TV with a really good surround sound system. I think that would be pretty badass.

So many videos of watching Americans sitting in an audience, half of them yawning, has absolutely no Charisma to it. A lot of us pool tournaments are kind of a bore to watch. Now I'm looking at it as an outsider looking in. I'm a pool player... I watch pool for the pool. But as for a general audience type of thing, it ends up being a snoozefest.
 
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