Controversy over Corey Deuel break

alstl said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNi1hpYTqQ

I disagree. The only advantage is Corey stays at the table, and that isn't guaranteed because that shot isn't automatic.
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That was probably a bad break for Corey. There is only 1 solid and the 8 ball mixed in with 5 stripes. 1 solid went in, and the rest are open. Its mostly stripes that are locked up in the center of table. If you look at the results from other breaks you can clearly tell he is pattern racking.
 
fastone371 said:
That was probably a bad break for Corey. There is only 1 solid and the 8 ball mixed in with 5 stripes. 1 solid went in, and the rest are open. Its mostly stripes that are locked up in the center of table. If you look at the results from other breaks you can clearly tell he is pattern racking.
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You mean like everyone else




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Kid Dynomite said:
the "randomness" designed and i intended?
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This is your opinion. Who "designed" this? I'm not talking about pattern racking. That is debatable. However, what is not (intelligently) debatable is whether it's ok to break the rack in away that gives you the most advantage, assuming it is within the rules.

KMRUNOUT
 
Is there any other video of a complete game ?
Corey likes to win and will create ways to do that. Good on him for taking the
time to practice and figure things out. I only wish I could think that creatively, or play with 1/4 of his stroke.
Neil
 
What astounds me is that they didn't have a rule about pattern racking. Everybody knows he will pattern rack in any game if you allow him. He did this at the USBTC last year too. The way he racked in the 9 ball USBTC in particular was ghastly- he was wiring the 3 to the 9 every time. It was a disgrace that nobody stepped in to stop him from doing that.

I'm a fan of Corey. I really like his game, but the pattern racking nonsense has to stop.
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Wow, six pages of posts to debate the obvious intent of the break to generate a "random" outcome of ball positions and balls pocketed.

We really can not be in disagreement with the original intent and design of the game.

It does not matter the methods utilized to eliminate the randomness. It only matters that by employing those methods undermines the game! Regardless of the reasons for utilizing them. Poor infrastructure in the games rule community is grounds for exploitation? We can't standardize balls and tables what makes rules any different?

Kd
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The point of the break is to make a ball and keep shooting, not necessarily to generate a random outcome. The point of an 8b, 9b and 10b break is to make a ball and continue the run. No different than calling the head ball in the side, except this is far more controlled.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
This is your opinion. Who "designed" this? I'm not talking about pattern racking. That is debatable. However, what is not (intelligently) debatable is whether it's ok to break the rack in away that gives you the most advantage, assuming it is within the rules.

KMRUNOUT
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assuming it is with in the rules is a big assumption. 9 ball was 2 foul for years! Then a rule change! To accommodate TV and Texas express league!

The cue ball was originally placed on the foot spot and over time players slowly moved off center. Why else put the dot there?

Then rack your own got adopted. and it goes on and on when explaining the games evolution. But, to say it is not subject to interpretation and the break/racking utilized is appropriate is so far from the games origin that they might as well be playing marbles.

Kd
 
Jumping is a skill, kicking is a skill, breaking is a skill. Why are people so hard on Corey, just like Shane he put the time in and has mastered many forms of breaking only to get punished for it, smh.
I personally love this break cause it's one that I learnt about 20 years ago and use it sometimes today in 14.1 when I'm playing for fun and games, but now I'm sure I'm nowhere near the consistency that he would have plus the rack is key to pulling it off just like calling one of the 3 top balls in the side, again when playing 14.1
 
Why are ppl so mad at Corey and have such a distain for his breaks and racks? Because some ppl don't like it when they are outsmarted. They take creative out of box thinkers as being, devious or deceptive. I mean you see it all the time in social settings where alphas are shown up or embarrassed by smarts.

You take the same scenario, with same ppl who are complaining about what Corey's doing. If they had thought of it and started to employ it. They would run off and tell ppl how great they are, and how they figured this and that out. Bottom line is, some ppl can laugh it off and appreciate they were outsmarted and some ppl who hate the feeling of getting suckered and feel like they need justice.

Corey's the type of guy that you want in the front office when deciding on rules of play. This guy would have thought of every possible scenario and he would show what's flawed about each game. Corey's like the guy who finds an edge in a casino and exploits it. Then the casino hires him to teach them and see if they have any other vulnerable areas. That's the difference between success and the dismal state of pool. Even with his resume and credentials, do you think in a million years anyone would actually hire, pay, or put him in charge of rewriting the rules? No, they would just keep doing what they are doing, and when a problem arises, they just make some amendment to the rules, and then Corey just finds another way to prove them wrong.

Someone said it and I think it might be true. Corey won't be happy until he completely destroys 9 ball. Some ppl like to live in a blind state of things, if you don't have a solid understanding of how to make airtight rules, you can't fault someone for doing something you can't enforce.

Years past you see a rule that's literally an amendment that was probably cooked up at the last minute. You must get 3 balls past the head string. This was supposed to make ppl break harder and eliminate soft breaking. I've seen racks that where hit as hard as the breaker could hit them and balls would collide and not go up table. So how is it fair that the breaker used as much force as they could and are penalized?

I could go on for days but this post is long enough as it is.
 
Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes from Mr. Mora and his followers.

Kid Dynomite - Please post some factual references of this "original intent" you speak of.
 
I don't have a problem with what Corey did as long as it was a legal rack according to the tournament rules. Am I the only one who finds it astounding that he can consistently make that bank then get out from what looked to me to still be some crappy layouts (even if his group wasn't the one completely clustered in the rack)? I mean he still had to do some serious pool playing to get out. It's a genius move to play to his strengths within the given rules of the event.
 
Also too, they should get rid of that damn safety break in 1 pocket and start playing that game like the Original Intenders originally intended.
 
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