CopyCats - WOW Already ! Give your advice, please.

JAM said:
With the words "tarnished reputation," it is pretty easy to narrow it down as to who the offending party may be. :p

In the words of a wise and seasoned poster, "Big fish eat little fish." ;)

JAM
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JAM, I have alreadt stated that this was not the works of who you are thinking.
 
mullyman said:
Is it Microsoft? Or maybe GM? Got it, General Electric!! Thieving bastards!!
MULLY
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Ha! At least they usually have the decency to buy the competitors that have what they want!
 
JB Cases said:
Does this business start with the letters IPT?

Otherwise known as the Magical Mystery Tour?

Sorry Mike I couldn't help it!
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Magical Mystery Tour

Now that there is funny, I tell you!
 
MikeJanis said:
As most of AZ forum members know, I have been working on a complete system for the overall growth of our sport which culminates in a US Pro Tour. I have worked and formulated this system for over four years.

It was just brought to my attention from a potential supporter of this system that someone from another agency asked their company to support almost exactly to a T the system I developed for our sport.

Of course, I have copyrights on all of the information regarding this system I have created and disseminated so the offending parties will be hearing from me to cease and desist but.......... What can I say. What a joke. The offenders are a well known billiard entity but have no experience in these matters regarding tournaments or membership services. In fact, they have an already tarnished reputation . I hope I am able to convince them to stop before their reputation is tarnished even further.

PLEASE DO NOT SPECULATE AS TO WHO THEY MAY BE. We as a community through AZ forums definitely do not want to get anything wrong with assumptions and tarnish an innocent person or company through speculation. Again, please do not post any names of companies you think it may be.

Does anyone have any advice to offer ?
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How do you know they didn't think of it first?
 
MikeJanis said:
PLEASE DO NOT SPECULATE AS TO WHO THEY MAY BE.
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Why not expose them?

Mike, my only advise is protect yourself legally as much as possible. Be first in the market, and do it as Big as you can.

You have spent many years dedicated to promoting our sport and have done a fine job. Keep up the good work and I wish you the best of luck.
 
macguy said:
How do you know they didn't think of it first?
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Mac,
Well said. I have heard rumors from some industry bigwigs of a new tour such as this for over a year. Good luck to anyone that can make it fly.

May I also say that I doubt any large pro-sports venture can succeed without some sort of steering board (or singular commissioner) composed of interested and knowledgeable people that HAVE NO VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST in the venture. A group of people who have the best interests of the game at heart; and will make the tough choices necessary to make the game thrive. Can you say Kenesaw Mountain Landis???
 
Williebetmore said:
Mac,
Well said. I have heard rumors from some industry bigwigs of a new tour such as this for over a year. Good luck to anyone that can make it fly.

May I also say that I doubt any large pro-sports venture can succeed without some sort of steering board (or singular commissioner) composed of interested and knowledgeable people that HAVE NO VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST in the venture. A group of people who have the best interests of the game at heart; and will make the tough choices necessary to make the game thrive. Can you say Kenesaw Mountain Landis???
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Re: the Board. I wish I could agree with you on this but as proof that a board can change the direction of original intention just use the BCA (Billiard Congress of America not the BCA Pool-League) as an example.
I can only speculate as to what the original board believed it's purpose was from reading past mission statements. However, I highly doubt that what the BCA is today fulfills the original intentions of what the founders wanted.

The BCA still does many good things for our sport but I am sure it is not fully doing what the original intentions were.

Therefore, the ATS will never follow in this same direction. I'm not opposed to a board of voting members. In fact I proposed it to all involved regional tour members and I hope it works. There opinions are as crucial to the survival of the ATS system as my opinions and I will accept all votes from the participating tours.

Mj

Mj
 
cleary said:
So work together. Are you interested in helping the sport or helping yourself?
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My thoughts exaclty, the one strength we have as a sport are the sheer number of us the play and love it....the biggest weakness we have is no one really wants to do anything that doesnt line their own pocket....and their is very little spirit of co-operation.
 
cleary said:
So work together. Are you interested in helping the sport or helping yourself?
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So, you are suggesting I work with someone that stole my intellectual property, copied it and tried to pass it off as their own and has no experience with operating a tour in the interest helping the sport grow?

If I did this, worked with a known thief, would you still expect the GUARANTEED money added to be at each event ?

Ahh, your pulling my leg, right.

Mj
 
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JAM said:
With the words "tarnished reputation," it is pretty easy to narrow it down as to who the offending party may be. :p

In the words of a wise and seasoned poster, "Big fish eat little fish." ;)

JAM
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But then big fish get hooked and mounted on the wall.

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Working together?

Mike is working with several other groups already, including ours. Why should we jump on board with someone who has an already tarnished reputation - just to wind up with our names being affiliated with someone who as Mike already stated...does not have the experience, and already has a tarnished reputation.

Considering that in the past, we were competing tours, and we are working together on this project, I would think that we would be given some credit for laying down differences for the betterment of the sport.
 
Clearly if the group has stolen, or lied or has that bad a reputation then no you dont work with them. However the problem I see for the sport as a whole is that everyone says that about everyone else...and no one wants to get down and actually do anything.
 
Heckler said:
Clearly if the group has stolen, or lied or has that bad a reputation then no you dont work with them. However the problem I see for the sport as a whole is that everyone says that about everyone else...and no one wants to get down and actually do anything.
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I understand what you are saying but I believe you misunderstand what the ATS does and how it operates.

Here is a quick rundown,

It's all in the Name, ASSOCIATED TOURNAMENT SYSTEM (ATS).

By working together for one goal, this system (the ATS) allows all pool players, amateur, league, tournament and otherwise to advance through an exact system to achieve professional status. The complete system involves participation by many regional tours, leagues, independent tournament events, billiard room owners, pro-shop owners and the billiard industry.

If that's not working together, I don't know what is.

Mj
 
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nineballcc said:
Mike is working with several other groups already, including ours. Why should we jump on board with someone who has an already tarnished reputation - just to wind up with our names being affiliated with someone who as Mike already stated...does not have the experience, and already has a tarnished reputation.

Considering that in the past, we were competing tours, and we are working together on this project, I would think that we would be given some credit for laying down differences for the betterment of the sport.
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Money, reach, resources to name a few reasons.

And you would have the upper hand in negotiations if you can prove that they tried to steal from you. Could be a powerful position if you use it right.

MM
 
MikeJanis said:
JAM, I have alreadt stated that this was not the works of who you are thinking.
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Mike, I think you should move forward and do what you're going to do and not be too concerned about what John Q. Public thinks.

It has been my experience that if you take into consideration what the public thinks, it could throw you off course. In other words, if you have a good idea and the gumption to follow through, then go for it. In the end, you will have a masterpiece that nobody else could even dream of.

In the words of Vince Lombardi, There are three kinds of people in this world: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened.

I think you're one of those who make things happen, and the majority of the peanut gallery sit back and watch things happen. I sincerely wish you all the best success in the world. :)

JAM
 
MikeJanis said:
I understand what you are saying but I believe you misunderstand what the ATS does and how it operates.

Here is a quick rundown,

It's all in the Name, ASSOCIATED TOURNAMENT SYSTEM (ATS).

By working together for one goal, this system (the ATS) allows all pool players, amateur, league, tournament and otherwise to advance through an exact system to achieve professional status. The complete system involves participation by many regional tours, leagues, independent tournament events, billiard room owners, pro-shop owners and the billiard industry.

If that's not working together, I don't know what is.

Mj
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Great, do it and I really hope its a great success, pool needs all the success it can get.

I hope you reply to my e-mail.
 
If Forced To Admit It, I Will Claim I Was High On Drugs At The Time

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But then big fish get hooked and mounted on the wall.
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JAM said:
LOL! Ain't it the truth!
JAM
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That's a lie, I have never been mounted.
Well, just that once by Willie Shoemaker.

Doug
(btw, my new guess is Deleted) :)


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