Cowboy Jimmy Moore - Obviously Using Center to Edge

So let me get this straight. If a player accidentally uses cte on a safety shot, he might accidentally pot the object ball?
Lou already demonstrated here that a safety shot and a normal offensive pot could have the exact same angle.
Dave says that cte sends the object ball to a corner of a rectangle (pocket) only and that it isn't really for safeties.
What if one imagines that pocket (or corner of a rectangle) is middle diamond on the rail? Would that work then?

Sorry for these questions which may seem a little provocative, but please don't take this the wrong way. If you're releasing a document describing the system, better be prepared for questions such as these. There will be plenty more.

I've come to conclusion that this aiming method for pocketing balls is full of intuitive adjustments just like any other, nowhere near exact (which aiming method IS exact while we're at it?). I don't care how many people say it works. Of course it works. All kinds of things may work for an individual.
 
ThePoliteSniper said:
And you will explain the math behind this in your document?

The side pockets are not in the corner of the rectangle.
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Yes, it covers everything. Technically, it puts you on line with the extended (past the OB) hypotenuse of a triangle, within 0.09" of the base of where the ghost ball sits.

Be patient - it's coming. OBVIOUSLY.... I'm not releasing something without being perfect. The last thing I'm going to do is put something out before it's ready and listen to guys like Lou tear holes in it. Between Stan's video (which focuses on visual keys and practical application) and my tech doc which focuses on math, theory and technique... the world will learn a lot.

MARK MY WORDS: Regardless of how hot-shit this stuff is with technical back-up, the detractors will detract. That's what they do - their MO. I doubt anyone will "eat crow" per se... it'll be spun in such a way where they were right all along--- even though autoCAD doesn't lie.
 
If the math shows that CTE works without adjustments by feel, I will be the first to admit it. However, I think this is very unlikely since I've looked into it myself. There are many logical problems that demand good answers. Now that you say you can only aim at a pocket, but bankshots work as well, makes it even more confusing.
I hope to see the same intellectual honesty from the other side, if it gets refuted.

One more thing...
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This might already have been answered, but:
What happens if the shot demands a half-ball hit?
 
ThePoliteSniper said:
If the math shows that CTE works without adjustments by feel, I will be the first to admit it. However, I think this is very unlikely since I've looked into it myself. There are many logical problems that demand good answers. Now that you say you can only aim at a pocket, but bankshots work as well, makes it even more confusing.
I hope to see the same intellectual honesty from the other side, if it gets refuted.

One more thing...
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This might already have been answered, but:
What happens if the shot demands a half-ball hit?
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I don't think you've looked into it yourself because you don't know enough about it to look into anything. Sorry you're confused, you'll have to be patient like everyone else. If you have a true half-ball shot...you offset, pivot and make the ball.

Since you've looked into it and have the answer - you should post a few diagrams showing why it doesn't work. That should bring to light your understanding of the system.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I don't think you've looked into it yourself because you don't know enough about it to look into anything. Sorry you're confused, you'll have to be patient like everyone else. If you have a true half-ball shot...you offset, pivot and make the ball.

Since you've looked into it and have the answer - you should post a few diagrams showing why it doesn't work. That should bring to light your understanding of the system.
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If CTE is just aiming at CTEL, offset and pivot, what am I missing?
I already posted most of the issues in a different thread, and you've read all of them before. It came down to the pivot length which has to be different for every shot. For most shots you have to move your bridgehand slightly after the offset to make the shot. And when that happens, how does the system give you the adjustment needed. Where is the reference point for that?

When you are on the CTEL, you are already aiming half-ball. After you make a parallel offset to the edge of the cueball, it is impossible to pivot back and make the shot.
Obviously I am wrong about this, so tell me why.
 
ThePoliteSniper said:
If CTE is just aiming at CTEL, offset and pivot, what am I missing?
I already posted most of the issues in a different thread, and you've read all of them before. It came down to the pivot length which has to be different for every shot. For most shots you have to move your bridgehand slightly after the offset to make the shot. And when that happens, how does the system give you the adjustment needed. Where is the reference point for that?

When you are on the CTEL, you are already aiming half-ball. After you make a parallel offset to the edge of the cueball, it is impossible to pivot back and make the shot.
Obviously I am wrong about this, so tell me why.
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Finally - something correct.... you're wrong. You can read why when the info is published. I'm not going to post the content until it's published. Won't be too much longer... almost there.
 
Neil said:
I have the same problem you have going center to edge. I'm just waiting for the info to come out. Patience. In the meantime, I have had great success going cb edge to center of ob, then pivot. From my understanding, this is the 90/90 system.?? Whatever it is, it works. To honestly test it, I showed it to two students, and they can't believe they have never seen this before because it works so good. I showed it to them to verify that I wasn't just making unconscious adjustments. I even had one line up edge to center, blocked the ob from view, then had him pivot, and he made the shot. That was enough for me, and him, to convince us it works.

As with anything, you still have to stroke straight, or it won't work.
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Lets have your students do that 5 out of 5 times, from different angles. Also, how but on banks since CTE is suppose to work on banks. How bout some caroms shots or off the rail stuff.

Add in the mix some postion play also.

If CTE works in all these case, you may have somthing. I can say for a fact my GB view works in all these cases. Also, if CTE, gets you within where the GB would be, why use something that doesn't get the CB right on the GB spot?
 
duckie said:
Lets have your students do that 5 out of 5 times, from different angles. Also, how but on banks since CTE is suppose to work on banks. How bout some caroms shots or off the rail stuff.

Add in the mix some postion play also.

If CTE works in all these case, you may have somthing. I can say for a fact my GB view works in all these cases. Also, if CTE, gets you within where the GB would be, why use something that doesn't get the CB right on the GB spot?
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Since GB is so great ,then enjoy your great method.Keep it and use it and quit worrying about CTE
 
Neil said:
I have the same problem you have going center to edge. I'm just waiting for the info to come out. Patience. In the meantime, I have had great success going cb edge to center of ob, then pivot. From my understanding, this is the 90/90 system.?? Whatever it is, it works. To honestly test it, I showed it to two students, and they can't believe they have never seen this before because it works so good. I showed it to them to verify that I wasn't just making unconscious adjustments. I even had one line up edge to center, blocked the ob from view, then had him pivot, and he made the shot. That was enough for me, and him, to convince us it works.

As with anything, you still have to stroke straight, or it won't work.
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You aim edge of cb to center of ob, then pivot to cb center, right?
How do you get a full-ball hit?
 
DangerousDave said:
I'll just say that in snooker, where the pockets are tighter and it's tougher to make balls, pivoting with the cue when you're already down on the shot would be strongly discouraged. Aiming at the side of the ball for the feathers and then turning in on the final delivery as seen in the videos would never be considered a good thing, only an unnecessary complication that may work some of the time, but leaves far too much that can go wrong. It's hard enough to hit the ball straight when you're aiming straight, never mind aiming one place and hitting another. I understand that this is not required in CTE, just what Cowboy Jimmy Moore is doing. I don't know how CTE-ers go about applying side-spin, but I guess it would have to involve another pivot of sorts? For me, this would throw my arm, wrist and grip out of proper alignment, and I'd have to compensate on the delivery. Not something I'd want to be doing, and not something that would lend itself to consistent shotmaking, in my opinion.

If people want to improve at this game they'd be better served looking at what the majority of pros have it common and trying to emulate those things, rather than picking one exception and saying "if it works for him, obviously it works." If you approach pool or snooker this way, and try to implement Keith McCready's side-arm stroke, or Alex Higgins' total disregard for stillness on the shot, you will be very unlikely to ever reach a high standard in either game. If Lou isn't saying that pivoting on the final delivery is necessarily a fundamental flaw, I'll go a little further and say that it is. I think the Cowboy was making balls not because of this approach, but in spite of it.
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A snooker player in CTE threads,hmmmm
 
duckie said:
Lets have your students do that 5 out of 5 times, from different angles. Also, how but on banks since CTE is suppose to work on banks. How bout some caroms shots or off the rail stuff.

Add in the mix some postion play also.

If CTE works in all these case, you may have somthing. I can say for a fact my GB view works in all these cases. Also, if CTE, gets you within where the GB would be, why use something that doesn't get the CB right on the GB spot?
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Darn, I lost my GB again.
 
Neil said:
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WOW! If one wanted to, one sure could have fun with some of these definitions!
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That was pretty good my friend,LOL :wink:
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Be patient - it's coming. OBVIOUSLY.... I'm not releasing something without being perfect. The last thing I'm going to do is put something out before it's ready and listen to guys like Lou tear holes in it.
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Oh, believe me -- I will probably be one of the last guys you'll have to worry about when you finally put something out on this.

Lou Figueroa
hears another crew
sharpening their blades
in the back room
lol
 
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