Crazy foul--need ruling

12310bch

12310bch

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I played in a tournament tonight at a bar where they prefer to play 'Straight 8 Rules,' instead of ,' Ball In Hand Rules.'

For those who are too young to know, in Straight 8 Rule 8-ball if you do not
hit your ball and drive a ball to a cushion it is not a foul, thus nobody is awarded ball in hand.
Other fouls ,such as scratches, are penalized from the kitchen.

Well, I won the loser's bracket and was shooting the first game of two against the Hot Seat.I had the game pretty well wrapped up and my opponent could not make contact with one of his balls on his shot.I went to the table and out of habit picked up the CB, lined up a shot and made it
My opponent, rightfully so, jumped up and yelled ," We're not playing ball-in-hand!"

I apologized profusely, spotted the ball I had pocketed and gave him ball-in-hand from the kitchen. He proceeded to line up and made one of his balls.

To make a long story a little shorter he then went to the T.D. and demanded that I forfeit the game which meant forfeit the match because he only had to win one game. The T.D. agreed and I wind up with second place money.

I'm not mad at anybody because i want to play there again. I would just like some opinions or maybe a ruling.
 
12310bch said:
I played in a tournament tonight at a bar where they prefer to play 'Straight 8 Rules,' instead of ,' Ball In Hand Rules.'

For those who are too young to know, in Straight 8 Rule 8-ball if you do not
hit your ball and drive a ball to a cushion it is not a foul, thus nobody is awarded ball in hand.
Other fouls ,such as scratches, are penalized from the kitchen.

Well, I won the loser's bracket and was shooting the first game of two against the Hot Seat.I had the game pretty well wrapped up and my opponent could not make contact with one of his balls on his shot.I went to the table and out of habit picked up the CB, lined up a shot and made it
My opponent, rightfully so, jumped up and yelled ," We're not playing ball-in-hand!"

I apologized profusely, spotted the ball I had pocketed and gave him ball-in-hand from the kitchen. He proceeded to line up and made one of his balls.

To make a long story a little shorter he then went to the T.D. and demanded that I forfeit the game which meant forfeit the match because he only had to win one game. The T.D. agreed and I wind up with second place money.

I'm not mad at anybody because i want to play there again. I would just like some opinions or maybe a ruling.
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If it went down like you say, it was a terrible ruling. The game should have been continued from where the cb stopped after you shot that ball as far as i'm concerned.

There are so many rules in 8 ball, but do they spot balls in that tournament? If not, you should not have spotted it, but that would have been easy to remedy, just unspot it. Anyway, point is, play should have continued for sure, perhaps with him either shooting from where it lied, or taking cb in the kitchen -- or his choice would be a good TD decision too. Sounds like you got "favoritismed" out to me -- that's what happens when a guy buys more beers for the TD than you have :)
 
I dont see grounds for a forfeit being that after you gave him ball in hand in the kitchen and he shot, therefore continuing the game.

He should have called a foul on you BEFORE you took your shot.
 
thats one of the problems with straight 8 it varies everywhere
and there is no rulebook

you had a brain fart and your opponent was chicken sh&%
if he wanted a forfiet he should have demanded it and never
continued .. if he took the CB from the kitchen and got out
ill bet he would have been just fine
 
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Sucked but that's what you get for playing 8 ball. And, there are no rules for "straight 8", you won't find rules for it anywhere that I know of. And I've probably been around pool at least as long as you have.
 
Once the opponent shoots he agrees the penalty assesed is the total remedy for the infraction...end of matter.

Crap ruling...but 2nd is still the best of all the losers!
 
Black-Balled said:
Once the opponent shoots he agrees the penalty assessed is the total remedy for the infraction...end of matter.

Crap ruling...but 2nd is still the best of all the losers!
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Exactly! Well said and it's as simple as that. This shouldn't have been a hard call for a TD to make correctly. Maybe the TD had a few beers in him too many...Congrats on the 2nd! Next time it'll be 1st!
 
pooln8r said:
Exactly! Well said and it's as simple as that. This shouldn't have been a hard call for a TD to make correctly. Maybe the TD had a few beers in him too many...Congrats on the 2nd! Next time it'll be 1st!
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Yeap, after you proceeded to shoot the next shot its too late to call a foul. You did the honorable thing by spotting the ball and giving him ball in hand in the kitchen, but that wasn't necessary. I applaud you for your sportsmanship though.

If you can call a foul 2 shot later what to say I see you foul, let you shot all your balls, get on the 8 then call the foul from 4-5 shots earlier. Are you then going to spot all your ball back on the table and give me ball in hand on an open table for an easy run out? Your opponent should have been paying closer attention to the table, and called the foul before you shot.
 
You got hosed but chalk it up as a lesson learned and go back next time and get the money.

That's the problem with 8 ball, no standardized rules and therefore the rules end up being made by whoever wins the argument.
 
Start a new tournament on the another night. I'm sure you're not the only one that's had to deal with stupidity. Tournaments run by moron's aren't worth playin in. They serve as more a source of frustration than anything else.

I wouldn't play anywhere that they had a "Straight 8" tournament. I'd just laugh and keep on walking. I'm not into "redneck" pool.
 
Okay, let me get this straight. You're playing in a tournament in a bar with guys who don't know the real rules to 8ball and you want us to help you make a ruling here? This is like going to a real life lawyer and asking what the laws are in lollypop land.

My advice to you is, don't go to lollypop land.
 
Did this bar happen to be on Grand and Reems? Because I stopped in there the other month to see if they were close to having a real tournament. They wanted to play bar rules, no BIH, didn't know how to run a bracket (ie. there were 10 players and he drew them out so everyone had a first round opponent, 5 matches, rd 2 would have had 2 matches and a person with a bye???, weird)

Also, all they had was the Mud Ball, um, no thanks!
 
12310bch said:
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I'm not mad at anybody because i want to play there again. I would just like some opinions or maybe a ruling.
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The TD makes the rules. Ask him. As Jude pointed out, nobody here knows what he's going to say. His tournament, his bar, his friends. Try to smile a lot, and maybe lose more -- into the finals in an early appearance (your first?) has to send up a lot of flags for the locals.
 
12310bch said:
I played in a tournament tonight at a bar where they prefer to play 'Straight 8 Rules,' instead of ,' Ball In Hand Rules.'

For those who are too young to know, in Straight 8 Rule 8-ball if you do not
hit your ball and drive a ball to a cushion it is not a foul, thus nobody is awarded ball in hand.
Other fouls ,such as scratches, are penalized from the kitchen.

Well, I won the loser's bracket and was shooting the first game of two against the Hot Seat.I had the game pretty well wrapped up and my opponent could not make contact with one of his balls on his shot.I went to the table and out of habit picked up the CB, lined up a shot and made it
My opponent, rightfully so, jumped up and yelled ," We're not playing ball-in-hand!"

I apologized profusely, spotted the ball I had pocketed and gave him ball-in-hand from the kitchen. He proceeded to line up and made one of his balls.

To make a long story a little shorter he then went to the T.D. and demanded that I forfeit the game which meant forfeit the match because he only had to win one game. The T.D. agreed and I wind up with second place money.

I'm not mad at anybody because i want to play there again. I would just like some opinions or maybe a ruling.
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Why did not the TD prior to play have a RULES MEETING to Splain the Rules of the Event? Or Did the TD Splain the RULES, and you forgot!:smile:
 
Bob Jewett said:
The TD makes the rules. Ask him. As Jude pointed out, nobody here knows what he's going to say. His tournament, his bar, his friends. Try to smile a lot, and maybe lose more -- into the finals in an early appearance (your first?) has to send up a lot of flags for the locals.
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I can vouch for this "local rules" experience.

I was playing in a small pool room's Midnight Madness Friday/Saturday 9 ball event (out of town event for me). 9 Ball on bar boxes @$1/game. Entry fee did not include free table play.

There was a small crowd, less than 16 players DE 4w/3L that started at midnight.

I ended up winning the 'hot seat' match and the TD gave me 2nd place money as soon as the match ended. He told me that 'out of towners' could only finish 2nd in their pool room. Only 'regulars' could play for 1st place.
 
Black-Balled said:
Once the opponent shoots he agrees the penalty assesed is the total remedy for the infraction...end of matter.

Crap ruling...but 2nd is still the best of all the losers!
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Exactomundo! Going to the TD afterwards was a real chicken-shit move. The TD should not have come into it at all.

I used to organize the bar box tournaments at my friend's Pub and I also put the house rules in place. These are based on WPA rules with necessary changes for coin-op table play and BIH behind the line (too many guys b****ed about full BIH). After five years, the rules are no longer new, or questioned much. A copy of the rules is posted right on the wall by the tables, and a copy in a binder is always available as well.
 
BrokeStroke said:
I dont see grounds for a forfeit being that after you gave him ball in hand in the kitchen and he shot, therefore continuing the game.

He should have called a foul on you BEFORE you took your shot.
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As soon as you touched the cue ball with your hand, FOUL! Allowing the game to continue and then calling a game or round a disqualification sounds like collusion. You need a more knowledgable tournament director because that is one of the most boneheaded rulings ever. The tournament director has no thought process.
 
this is so common it's only a mild ache rather than a sharp pain, anymore.

you play too good, or you're an outsider, or both. But they always gotta win some way, and usually, they don't even care how.

you already know that, though- you just came on here with this "rule question" so you could feel like you're not crazy, or alone, for a moment.

so, no: you're neither crazy nor alone.

: )
 
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As a Judge would say IGNORANCE of the LAW is NO Excuse, 30 Days in County Jail or 30 Dollar fine, take your choice.

Same applies to Pool, and I think the first BCA RULE say something about Players Responsibility to know the rules of the game!
 
What does that mean? I don't think this pool room HAD rules. That's why they play 'bullshit' pool (otherwise known as "straight 8"). Everyone is ignorant of those rules, that's why only ignorant ass people play it.
 
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