Crazy Infuriating Experience
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To be perfectly honest and blunt... I am one of the better players in the area and they know that. Hence the reason they thought I was sandbagging by losing.
The problem is whenever I lose people think I am sandbagging because they always expect me to win. And no I'm not being full of myself or having a case of misidentification of my playing ability. I place in any of the local tournaments I enter and win one at least once every few weeks. I've played in some pro tour events in my area and put up a fair fight (never placed) as well as been to Vegas several times for the singles event.
My main problem is getting the drive to play fully when I play in a league match because I play in so many tournaments. Without that drive it can be hard to focus and when its hard for me to focus my ADD kicks in.
I usually can keep it under control and that is why I generally do not tell people about it. I also tend to keep it a secret from most people because there is a stigma surrounding ADD where most people don't consider it anything but an excuse used by people.
From your description, you've played with these people before. Perhaps they've seen you at your best more often than not and then on the first night of league, you lose due to not pocketing balls like they've seen you do before. They think you may be sandbagging and want you off the team. Since they didn't know of your condition, wouldn't it be prudent to let them know that was the issue and not that you're trying to cheat? Isn't it refreshing to hear of a team who wants honest players?
If they wanted you off the team because of your condition, then they're in the wrong. But wanting you off the team because you're sandbagging is great, actually. Just explain the issue, clear the air and be glad you can play with an honest team.
If they wanted you off the team because of your condition, then they're in the wrong. But wanting you off the team because you're sandbagging is great, actually. Just explain the issue, clear the air and be glad you can play with an honest team.
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Didn't you say you went up against another 5? Does that mean you are a 5 too?
In my opinion, playing as a 5...you aren't that good and should be expected to miss. Hard to sandbag when you aren't that good to start with.:sorry:
I feel like you arent listening to me so I will start ignoring you as well.
Are You a Sandbagger or Not?
I did a quick check of some of your previous posts. Well, actually I didn't make it past your first one:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3591935#post3591935
Sort of makes me wonder about this whole story.
I did a quick check of some of your previous posts. Well, actually I didn't make it past your first one:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3591935#post3591935
Sort of makes me wonder about this whole story.
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BUSTED! Nice try buddy, go cry somewhere else. Put up a fight in a pro tournament...sure you did.
So that post is from 7 months ago and I have since then been trying to play my best in every match I play in order to reach the next level.
In general when I used to say I was sandbagging I said I was doing it more as a defensive act against letting others know about my ADD. To be honest I have always been ashamed of my condition and I have a hard time telling people about it so the one thing I will probably take away from this thread is that I should strive to be more open about myself to others.
It has also led to the propagation of the attitude that I sandbag because there are nights when I will shoot like a 7 and nights when I shoot like a 2. Surrounded like I am by others who sandbag it has in the past been easier for me to just let that opinion be known than to let the actual truth be known.
I do accept responsibility for that part of this story but it is still very frustrating when I try my best and people still think I am half-assing it especially when the people in question are people I respect and thought understood me better than that.
That being said I understand in a way I made my bed and I was sleeping in it but I have done everything I can to get away from that stigma by truly playing and shooting to the best of my ability every time I walk to the table.
I also understand that in the past I have made several posts towards the effect of sandbagging but the reality is that when I said it I generally was trying to be an internet tough guy (again making my own bed and sleeping in it).
Everyone on here has made mistakes at one point or another the difference is that the internet records a history unlike real life. When those mistakes occur on here as opposed to in real life it is easy for others to bring it up in the future.
In general when I used to say I was sandbagging I said I was doing it more as a defensive act against letting others know about my ADD. To be honest I have always been ashamed of my condition and I have a hard time telling people about it so the one thing I will probably take away from this thread is that I should strive to be more open about myself to others.
It has also led to the propagation of the attitude that I sandbag because there are nights when I will shoot like a 7 and nights when I shoot like a 2. Surrounded like I am by others who sandbag it has in the past been easier for me to just let that opinion be known than to let the actual truth be known.
I do accept responsibility for that part of this story but it is still very frustrating when I try my best and people still think I am half-assing it especially when the people in question are people I respect and thought understood me better than that.
That being said I understand in a way I made my bed and I was sleeping in it but I have done everything I can to get away from that stigma by truly playing and shooting to the best of my ability every time I walk to the table.
I also understand that in the past I have made several posts towards the effect of sandbagging but the reality is that when I said it I generally was trying to be an internet tough guy (again making my own bed and sleeping in it).
Everyone on here has made mistakes at one point or another the difference is that the internet records a history unlike real life. When those mistakes occur on here as opposed to in real life it is easy for others to bring it up in the future.
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Huh? If I comment, I'm not ignoring you. First you said you shot a match and couldn't make a ball. Okay...you sucked.
Then you used a medical excuse. You still sucked.
Then you claimed to be a Las Vegas shooter, but you suck.
A new team kicked you off the team after only one night.
I don't know what else to say. Can you add something I missed?
Just be honest with yourself and others. If you suck you suck.
I don't comment on here much because of different reasons and now I wish I didn't comment again.
If you don't want to hear the truth, don't ask.
You want to blame others for not wanting you on a team...but in reality, maybe you are the problem.
Ohhhh... what a tangled web we weave....
So really, were you stalling?
It sounds like it wasn't a very good match anyway. If this team is a new one I wouldn't imagine they'll be together very long,, if they're not new I doubt that anyone could really penetrate their circle. Either way, better off
So really, were you stalling?
It sounds like it wasn't a very good match anyway. If this team is a new one I wouldn't imagine they'll be together very long,, if they're not new I doubt that anyone could really penetrate their circle. Either way, better off
That's an impressive response to my previous post. If my hair wasn't such a mess I would tip my hat to you. I think you'll be just fine.
Keep shooting and don't sweat it.
i have made a few posts on here about how inconsistent i am. i can also shoot like a 7 one night and a 2 the next, heck i can go from one extreme to the other during a match. many a night i have started shooting well then about the 3rd rack its like you flipped a switch, i miss straight in shots, have no idea what kind of pattern to play, i just stand there kinda dumbfounded as to what to shoot next or how to shoot it.
then there are nights i see a pattern with ease, know exactly where the cue ball is going and what to shoot next.
i have blamed my inconsistency on every thing from qiuting drinking, tired from working all day to just a lack of focus. also have blamed it on a hand injury.
the truth is i have autism. just been in denial about it all these years.
Not worth it !
Hey its all good.
I had something similar happen to me,... we all have bad days. Mine came after I joined the team late (week3) and had 3 straight shut-out matches. After the loss(week 4 on the team), suddenly I was playing the worst of the opposing team. When I asked captain, he siad the same thing. It made me angry and I wanted off of the team, but stayed out of respect for the team captain. Turned out it was about 3 members of the team and they had capt. hog-tied.
Needless to say I left the team, and the capt. & I are still friends.
You can't lose any respect for a Capt. with character like yours/mine.
Bottom line: Team politics sukkkks !!! :frown:
You win/lose as a team,..... NOT collective Individuals !
Hey its all good.
I had something similar happen to me,... we all have bad days. Mine came after I joined the team late (week3) and had 3 straight shut-out matches. After the loss(week 4 on the team), suddenly I was playing the worst of the opposing team. When I asked captain, he siad the same thing. It made me angry and I wanted off of the team, but stayed out of respect for the team captain. Turned out it was about 3 members of the team and they had capt. hog-tied.
Needless to say I left the team, and the capt. & I are still friends.
You can't lose any respect for a Capt. with character like yours/mine.
Bottom line: Team politics sukkkks !!! :frown:
You win/lose as a team,..... NOT collective Individuals !
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This is why its critical to be able to find a group that all can get along first, then worry about balancing skill levels next.
I'm incredibly fortunate to be on two teams that all get along great, and have a great balance of skill levels. My pool nights are always great, win or lose. (Fortunately, we win more than we lose lately.)
I'm incredibly fortunate to be on two teams that all get along great, and have a great balance of skill levels. My pool nights are always great, win or lose. (Fortunately, we win more than we lose lately.)
Isn't this what you did by blowing up at all the other members of the team without knowing if they all felt the same regarding your dismissal from the team?
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It was interesting and all is good.
To be perfectly honest...I really had trouble with my game when my eyes went bad and I couldn't get used to wearing glasses and play a good game. I couldn't see good enough without them and with them it was just tough. My game really sucked and I was always the first to admit it.
After about eight months of sucking at pool, I finally got use to playing with them. I can't get down as low as I used to and play a little slower.
So, it's not all that bad. One good thing about not playing good is...you will get better.
The problem I think lies in the fact that you tell people that you sandbag. Whether you actually do or not is irrelevant, it comes straight from the horses mouth.
If you came on this forum bragging about sandbagging...to the entire Internet world, I'm sure you've said it countless times to or in front of fellow pool players. So they have foundation to accuse you of it, since you state it yourself. You've branded YOURSELF as a sandbagger. Now when it caught up with you,, it's no longer convenient to pursue that road, so now you CLAIM you don't sandbag. I don't know whether to believe you. Your team-mates don't know whether to believe you. I actually don't believe that you have ADD...how would I know that, I don't know you, and your history is such:
1. You don't tell the truth in an effort to look better to your peers...
2. You sandbag and are or we're proud of it...
One of the two above statements must be true since you said that you sandbag, then later said that you don't, and that you lied about it to look good.
How can the team trust you??? You should really talk to them and apologize, explain why you tell people you sandbag, then explain that you are inconsistent for whatever reason, and that you promise to give it everything.
If u really have ADD, and it really affects your game, I'm sorry for not believing you, I'm just going off history, and I DON'T KNOW YOU, that's where BRAND is so important.
You're probably a really nice guy, I'm not beating you up, just take accountability with the team...like you did on here...ps, that was stand up in my book how you owned it.
Good luck dude.
If you came on this forum bragging about sandbagging...to the entire Internet world, I'm sure you've said it countless times to or in front of fellow pool players. So they have foundation to accuse you of it, since you state it yourself. You've branded YOURSELF as a sandbagger. Now when it caught up with you,, it's no longer convenient to pursue that road, so now you CLAIM you don't sandbag. I don't know whether to believe you. Your team-mates don't know whether to believe you. I actually don't believe that you have ADD...how would I know that, I don't know you, and your history is such:
1. You don't tell the truth in an effort to look better to your peers...
2. You sandbag and are or we're proud of it...
One of the two above statements must be true since you said that you sandbag, then later said that you don't, and that you lied about it to look good.
How can the team trust you??? You should really talk to them and apologize, explain why you tell people you sandbag, then explain that you are inconsistent for whatever reason, and that you promise to give it everything.
If u really have ADD, and it really affects your game, I'm sorry for not believing you, I'm just going off history, and I DON'T KNOW YOU, that's where BRAND is so important.
You're probably a really nice guy, I'm not beating you up, just take accountability with the team...like you did on here...ps, that was stand up in my book how you owned it.
Good luck dude.
I've been on the same team for many years. Believe me, I would never want to be a part of any team with players like the ones you described. Look for another team.
One thing about it, league is not life and death. Some are there to play for blood, but most are there for fun. Find a team that likes to be competitive, yet likes to have a lot of fun as well. Personalities of those on the team are much more important than anything else in my view. All of those on my team want to win and be competitive, but we also get along well and have a ton of fun when we get together. Life is too short to put up with a buch of bullshit, especially league play.
One thing about it, league is not life and death. Some are there to play for blood, but most are there for fun. Find a team that likes to be competitive, yet likes to have a lot of fun as well. Personalities of those on the team are much more important than anything else in my view. All of those on my team want to win and be competitive, but we also get along well and have a ton of fun when we get together. Life is too short to put up with a buch of bullshit, especially league play.