CSI Employment Opportunity: Seeking staff Web Developer

Jasen said:
And in truth, get off of Dot Net Nuke ASAP and build yourselves a custom platform. Sure it will cost a little bit more initially, and take a little longer... but please. And hire a good graphic designer while you're at it. The site is very boring :/ (seriously, no offense)


To everyone that jumped on the bandwaggon, classy =D
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Telling them to get a custom solution is not good advice. For a small business getting a custom solution is expensive to build and expensive to maintain. Better to use open source software that is freely available and developed by thousands of people worldwide with lots of custom modules and tons of people able to work on the platform.

Been there done that on the custom solutions and while they can certainly rock they are no good if the developer goes somewhere else.

Custom platforms require a solid staff to keep them maintained. IN fact any platform requires a solid staff but a custom one is "foreign" to almost everyone but the primary developer. Using off-the-shelf platforms gives the user a broader base of people who can develop for it and trouble shoot it.

There is nothing wrong with DNN. How the site looks has nothing at all to do with the platform. That can all be changed easily.

As a CMS it's fine.

And yes I have been there on the custom solution side. I built a CMS that was WAY ahead of it's time custom for my case business. In fact I might look up the developer and see about doing something similar in the future. But I spent $40,000 on it and when I sold the business the new owners scrapped it because they didn't want to retain my developer. See the problem?

I currently run three other websites off the same backend database and each one is a wysiwyg user interface CMS that can be accessed from anywhere and changed by anyone in the company on the fly. Each site is visually different from the others due to the custom skins we built.

Again though the problem is that since me and the developers have parted ways I am stuck with having to wade through their code to make any significant changes.

So, Holly and Mark, not that you need this advice, stick with DNN - it's fine and if you find someone competent you will do well with it. My advice would be to budget for some module creation to be farmed out to freelancers so its' not ALL on your permanent hire. Let him manage the development spread out over several developers.

Oh and you're in good company with DNN users - http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Intro/Showcase-Sites.aspx There are thousands of apps and modules for you to use which are easily customizable.
 
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Jasen said:
No worries, I'm familiar with mob mentality on forums.

To everyone that jumped on the bandwaggon, classy =D
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Most people who are "familiar with mob mentalities on forums" have brought the anger of the mob upon themselves before.
 
Wow, serious trolling in what seems to be a rather innocuous thread topic!?! I just got here; did this perhaps start life as an aiming thread?

I always thought IT stood for "Information Technology" and encompassed just about every area related to digital information processes i.e. software and hardware. According to Wikipedia:

IT is the area of managing technology and spans wide variety of areas that include but are not limited to things such as processes, computer software, information systems, computer hardware, programming languages, and data constructs
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This is how it is at every company I work with and I work with a lot of them. large and small. Shows you what I know. :rolleyes:

I think it's great that CSI has posted this job offering here. Shows their desire to want passionate people working at the company.
 
Jasen said:
All-in-all, good luck.

And in truth, get off of Dot Net Nuke ASAP and build yourselves a custom platform. Sure it will cost a little bit more initially, and take a little longer... but please. And hire a good graphic designer while you're at it. The site is very boring :/ (seriously, no offense)


To everyone that jumped on the bandwaggon, classy =D
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JB Cases said:
Telling them to get a custom solution is not good advice. For a small business getting a custom solution is expensive to build and expensive to maintain. Better to use open source software that is freely available and developed by thousands of people worldwide with lots of custom modules and tons of people able to work on the platform.

Been there done that on the custom solutions and while they can certainly rock they are no good if the developer goes somewhere else.

Custom platforms require a solid staff to keep them maintained. IN fact any platform requires a solid staff but a custom one is "foreign" to almost everyone but the primary developer. Using off-the-shelf platforms gives the user a broader base of people who can develop for it and trouble shoot it.

There is nothing wrong with DNN. How the site looks has nothing at all to do with the platform. That can all be changed easily.

As a CMS it's fine.

And yes I have been there on the custom solution side. I built a CMS that was WAY ahead of it's time custom for my case business. In fact I might look up the developer and see about doing something similar in the future. But I spent $40,000 on it and when I sold the business the new owners scrapped it because they didn't want to retain my developer. See the problem?

I currently run three other websites off the same backend database and each one is a wysiwyg user interface CMS that can be accessed from anywhere and changed by anyone in the company on the fly. Each site is visually different from the others due to the custom skins we built.

Again though the problem is that since me and the developers have parted ways I am stuck with having to wade through their code to make any significant changes.

So, Holly and Mark, not that you need this advice, stick with DNN - it's fine and if you find someone competent you will do well with it. My advice would be to budget for some module creation to be farmed out to freelancers so its' not ALL on your permanent hire. Let him manage the development spread out over several developers.

Oh and you're in good company with DNN users - http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Intro/Showcase-Sites.aspx There are thousands of apps and modules for you to use which are easily customizable.
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I suspect this is better advise.Perhaps this can be distilled even further.Good luck CSI on your search.
 
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Jasen said:
Sad it went sideways as well, the initial post was sincere - i didn't get nasty until the personal attacks began... I believe it was blackballed who said "Hope you get off your period" or something similar first... (which is strange because he wasn't even involved, but after glancing at the post count I guess he just like to get involved in a lot of things).
Anyways, I said "stone-age company"... not a personal attack nor even that far off base considering the age of the company and (no offense) the state of the website and the laugh I had at faxing a resume. I admit I was a little ticked that it appeared that you didn't even read what I said, but it was truly jokingly said... but unfortunately text doesn't carry tone and the personal attack had to hit... sure I'm the bad guy but look at the thread, black-balled was way out of line. But he has a bazillion posts so the bandwaggon hops on board with him.

No worries, I'm familiar with mob mentality on forums.


All-in-all, good luck.

And in truth, get off of Dot Net Nuke ASAP and build yourselves a custom platform. Sure it will cost a little bit more initially, and take a little longer... but please. And hire a good graphic designer while you're at it. The site is very boring :/ (seriously, no offense)


To everyone that jumped on the bandwaggon, classy =D
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does any1 smell sc5 in the air
 
JB Cases said:
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A programmer that cannot read, follow and modify someone's code isn't much of a programmer.

A programmer that writes code that is hard to follow and maintain isn't much of a programmer either.


Should have hired a better programmer... wonder how that could have happened?


Telling a business that seems to want to expand and hire "visionaries" -> which to me means they want to be further on the front of the technology curve to use an old packaged application -> isn't really great advice. Typically you'll spend more time making a generic solution "work" than you would have making your own solution.

Its basically the old line of thought: Better, cheaper, faster -> pick two.

Just because you subscribe to the cheaper and faster routine doesn't make it right. Also, running 3 websites isn't really impressive... hell, I run more than that just for personal sites of various topics... we start getting into the business side and I have hundreds...
 
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Jasen said:
A programmer that cannot read, follow and modify someone's code isn't much of a programmer.

A programmer that writes code that is hard to follow and maintain isn't much of a programmer either.


Should have hired a better programmer... wonder how that could have happened?
How what happened? The point is that a custom CMS isn't necessarily the right solution for a small business.


Telling a business that seems to want to expand and hire "visionaries" -> which to me means they want to be further on the front of the technology curve to use an old packaged application -> isn't really great advice. Typically you'll spend more time making a generic solution "work" than you would have making your own solution.
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Do you want the job or not? Because you are spending an awful lot of time being a major knocker here. How about this genius, why don't you whip them up a quote on what you think a custom CMS would cost them to build and maintain. You are also out of your mind if you think that any small business can afford to develop a custom CMS from scratch in the same time it takes to get DNN up and running adequately.

Its basically the old line of thought: Better, cheaper, faster -> pick two.
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So again are you angling for a job sport? Are you offering your stellar free advice because we all know what that's worth. Mark and Holly are my friends and we have been in this business for a long time. If you don't want the job then leave them the **** alone.

Just because you subscribe to the cheaper and faster routine doesn't make it right. Also, running 3 websites isn't really impressive... hell, I run more than that just for personal sites of various topics... we start getting into the business side and I have hundreds...
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I bet you do. You sound the superman of the web and yet you have time to chastise the mortals and lecture them incessantly on how their want ad is written.

I didn't say I just run three websites genius. I said I have three sites running on one DB and all three have a different look and feel. This is a custom CMS solution. So let me break it down for you superduperwebman IF I need anything changed on my CMS I have to FIND someone to go in and do it. Of course any competent programmer can easily follow the code. The point is that still someone has to go in behind another person's work. With DNN or similar off-the-shelf solutions there are thousands of people working on the same platform so help is easy to find.

I have been on the web since 1996 and gone through just about every type of relationship with web developers that can exist. The one you propose is the most expensive and most fragile for a small business. Sorry but that's how it is buddy. The small business owner has NO IDEA how good the programmer he hires is. So he has no idea whether he will end up with a jam-up site that's bug free or one that is riddled with holes and insecure.

Getting a crowd-tested open-source solution is both inexpensive and more secure. The code is constantly bug-checked by actual users and lots of programmers work hard to fix them quickly. As opposed to being dependent on one guy or one firm.

The #1 rule for a small businesses should be Keep IT Simple. Don't be led astray by web developers promising the world. Use what's proven and work on providing a good easy site with up-to-date content.

So take your arrogance elsewhere buddy. In pool we call people like you nits.
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Jasen said:
A programmer that cannot read, follow and modify someone's code isn't much of a programmer.
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This comment is categorically not true. Some code is "unfollowable." Poor structure, lack of comments and insane logic make some code near impossible to follow without investing mega time.

You're not the only geek on here and I'd make a guess that you're not the smartest either. You make blanket matter-of-fact comments that make those who actually know better roll their eyes.
 

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I got the line on our resident IT Elvis. It is just as I suspected. Think affliction shirt, arrogant look and a facebook that has "Trolling" listed under favorite activities.

All of you people who have been in business longer than IT Elvis has been alive need to recognize the greatness among us. Forget what your experience has been actually doing things in the real world. Everyone knows that when you need to go to the grocery store you have to do it in a hand built F1 race car.


With that I take my ass to the US Open. Hope to see all the fellow mob members there.
 
JB Cases said:
Jasen said:
A programmer that cannot read, follow and modify someone's code isn't much of a programmer.

A programmer that writes code that is hard to follow and maintain isn't much of a programmer either.


Should have hired a better programmer... wonder how that could have happened?
How what happened? The point is that a custom CMS isn't necessarily the right solution for a small business.




Do you want the job or not? Because you are spending an awful lot of time being a major knocker here. How about this genius, why don't you whip them up a quote on what you think a custom CMS would cost them to build and maintain. You are also out of your mind if you think that any small business can afford to develop a custom CMS from scratch in the same time it takes to get DNN up and running adequately.



So again are you angling for a job sport? Are you offering your stellar free advice because we all know what that's worth. Mark and Holly are my friends and we have been in this business for a long time. If you don't want the job then leave them the **** alone.



I bet you do. You sound the superman of the web and yet you have time to chastise the mortals and lecture them incessantly on how their want ad is written.

I didn't say I just run three websites genius. I said I have three sites running on one DB and all three have a different look and feel. This is a custom CMS solution. So let me break it down for you superduperwebman IF I need anything changed on my CMS I have to FIND someone to go in and do it. Of course any competent programmer can easily follow the code. The point is that still someone has to go in behind another person's work. With DNN or similar off-the-shelf solutions there are thousands of people working on the same platform so help is easy to find.

I have been on the web since 1996 and gone through just about every type of relationship with web developers that can exist. The one you propose is the most expensive and most fragile for a small business. Sorry but that's how it is buddy. The small business owner has NO IDEA how good the programmer he hires is. So he has no idea whether he will end up with a jam-up site that's bug free or one that is riddled with holes and insecure.

Getting a crowd-tested open-source solution is both inexpensive and more secure. The code is constantly bug-checked by actual users and lots of programmers work hard to fix them quickly. As opposed to being dependent on one guy or one firm.

The #1 rule for a small businesses should be Keep IT Simple. Don't be led astray by web developers promising the world. Use what's proven and work on providing a good easy site with up-to-date content.

So take your arrogance elsewhere buddy. In pool we call people like you nits.
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I've been trying to stay out of this, but sucked in I have been...

I have to agree here, as someone who has been in the industry for a while (and done a bunch of consulting for small businesses), an open source CMS is a great solution. DNN is one of the poorer ones (and has had a history of bad security holes IIRC, so make sure you patch often!), but it is quite competent at what it does.

Jasen: One of the reasons a popular open source CMS is great for small business is that you can hire (such as I imagine what is happening here) developers cheaper, since you can just get anyone familiar with DNN and searching google. A custom CMS requires a better developer to maintain, since he has to understand everything to it, rather than just being able to google for other people's experience.

In Jasen's defense: I did get the impression from quickly researching the company and looking at the ad that your needs are more for a reasonably talented Web Designer, and an Intern/RCG position to maintain the DNN stuff. I definitely wish CSI luck in finding someone that fits their needs/budget.

*Since we are E-PEENing here, I've developed a custom CMS that ended up becoming a publicly sold product, have done 'side-consulting' for a number of small businesses (including one who paid me to write an 'order online' website that doubled the company sales), and currently work as a software engineer for one of the most technically advanced companies in the world.
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How about this?

CSI: I see by your application that you have the qualifications we are looking for, sir. What would your salary requirement be?

Applicant: I'm looking for something in the range of $75,000 to $85,000.

CSI: I'm sorry sir, but that is a little more than we can pay for this particular position. Are you negotiable on that matter?

Applicant: No.

CSI: Thank you for applying, sir. Have a nice day. :smile:


Wow, what a turn-off that would be, huh?
 
If you still need a programmer, I hear Cocobolo Cowboy has "Mad computer skillzzz".
 
I own one affliction shirt, which was a gift from a now deceased friend, I wore it one time as an undershirt... Under a button up... That was the night.

Charges were dropped, but your crappy investigation of course didn't look that far into it and I'm not wasting my time telling the story...i already told it to the people that matter and I guess it was pretty true...

But that all doesn't really matter at this point... You went way over the line.

Yes, I do love trolling, and you idiots keep biting right into it.

Its OK though, I'll see you around at some point I'm sure, and I can't wait to hear the excuses. For your own sake lets hope I'm as stupid as has been claimed.

See you around.
 
Thanks to those who have offered sincere and positive feedback. Now that a certain individual has been banned, would like to start over...

So, if anyone knows a pool loving, enthusiastic, sincere and talented web developer with the needed experience as outlined in our initial post and who might be interested...please send them our way :)

Have a great weekend!
 
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