CSI Invitational 10-Ball & 8-Ball Championships
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This whole thing seems silly to me.
The 16 man invitational tournament sounds like a cool event.
Having said that IMHO the "US OPEN" part of the title should be removed
because the name certainly seems to be misleading at best. With this new format there is nothing "OPEN" about this tournament.
CSI can do as they please it's their event, however with this Rodney vs. Mark business
it just seems silly that they can't work it out together. Egos clash all the time, get over it and move on, no one should take the position that "it's my ball & you can't play with it" are we grown men or petulant children?
The 16 man invitational tournament sounds like a cool event.
Having said that IMHO the "US OPEN" part of the title should be removed
because the name certainly seems to be misleading at best. With this new format there is nothing "OPEN" about this tournament.
CSI can do as they please it's their event, however with this Rodney vs. Mark business
it just seems silly that they can't work it out together. Egos clash all the time, get over it and move on, no one should take the position that "it's my ball & you can't play with it" are we grown men or petulant children?
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NYC cue dude
Banned
Rodney burned a bridge that won't soon be mended, if ever. I'd take the over.
CSI *OWNS* the names US Open 8 ball, 10 ball, straight pool and 1 pocket. They can run the events anyway they'd like. Historically, most of pools world championships were invitation only, with very small fields (sometimes 2 players).
Watchez, there's more expense to attending a pool event than entry fees, hotel rooms, and food. Unless the players are getting paid to play *and* cover all expeneses, of course, whether they win, place, or show, attending some events, especially if you live on the East Coast, can be challenging.
Some players today, who may have left pro pool to take on a traditional job, the problem may be getting off work for that long a period of time. One example is Dann-y H. from St. Louis who was guaranteed a payday to compete in a challenge match with Joh-n S., but he had just started a full-time job and did not want to take the chance on losing that "guaranteed" income of a traditional job for a one-time challenge match. lt's hard for some to understand, I guess, and Danny took a lot of heat for not jumping on a guaranteed one-time payment to dance, but I totally empathize with his stance because of the new job.
With fewer pro-caliber-type competitions on the horizon where pros are eligible to compete in the event, there are some pros who have taken a full-time job.
It is curious, however, how some European pros can afford to live in the United States and compete around the world -- or I should say and can afford to compete around the world.
Gambling does provide an income source to some pros, no matter what their nationality is nd no matter whether they're a pool purist's favorite or an action enthusiast's horse. Gambling is here to stay in the American pool world, love it or hate it. Personally, I really enjoyed the weekend happenings like the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour and other regional tours. You only had the expenses of 2 days, and if you have a Monday-through-Friday-type job, you can still make it back to work by Monday. This is very attractive for some. Sure, the payouts are not as high as week-long events, but they ain't too shabby either, especially when a calcutta is involved. Ka-ching! :grin-square:
Logistics and geography also come into play big time. It's pretty expensive for East Coast folks to travel across the country and attend pool happenings. For most, it may be a once-a-year thing they incorporate into a vacation. For the pro who lives on the East Coast, it is doggone expensive -- even if perks are generously provided.
I have received several PMs and a couple e-mails about the topic of this thread that inadvertantly relate to the rumors circulating about this year's Mosconi Cup. One of them, I believe because of the source. Disparate times call for desperate measures, I guess.
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Damn it Jen, please stop using those three dollar words :embarrassed2: .My Thesaurus is running double time!
Lyn
LOL! :grin-square:
Lyn, actually "plethora" was one of Grady's favorite words.
It's similar to Bigfoot DCC event, I guess. All applicants need to be approved and/or invited.
And it's "principles," not "principals."
From a nation that spells colour without a U and uses z's in words like finalised, that's a bit rich..
But thank for your correction - it made all the difference to the thrust of the thread! :grin:
The ultimate "invitational" events are surely the one on one TAR matches?
These create interest, indeed, SVB's performance in said "invitational events" is often cited as the reason he is really one of the top players in the world when in fact his performance in world events has not been great.
LOL! :grin-square:
Lyn, actually "plethora" was one of Grady's favorite words.
Jen,
You're killing me. Wish I had you as an instructor for English vocabulary when I was much younger!!! It is kind of funny to not only worry about the accuracy of a post but the grammar as well. Guess I can't do both!!!!!! Or is it either? Know it's not neither
Or is it :scratchhead: :indecisive: 
?Lyn
Are you 2 related?
Neil.. Seems I've heard that before somewhere.
"that shot was wrong on so many levels ... well it is just hard to describe"... Billy Incardona.
Don
There is so much wrong in your post that I'm not even going to bother with it. Other than to say, next time you win a tournament, remember, it means nothing at all. After all, there are far better players than you that didn't play in it.
Neil.. Seems I've heard that before somewhere.
"that shot was wrong on so many levels ... well it is just hard to describe"... Billy Incardona.
Don
I missed that, thanks for the correction.
Many people talk about cleaning up pool and turning it into a real sport. The English showed us how to do it with the snooker venue. They literally created a sport with high paying tournaments from what at one time was a seedy game.
Mark Wilson is contributing in many ways to creating a sport. His latest idea should be lauded if not appreciated by those who seek a credible sport. In a sense, players invited to his event are being spotlighted as among the best of breed. This is something that could be the beginning of a real sport.
It is a shame that Mark is not being recognized for his very real contributions. He is putting his money where is mouth is. There are not many in the same league.
Mark Wilson is contributing in many ways to creating a sport. His latest idea should be lauded if not appreciated by those who seek a credible sport. In a sense, players invited to his event are being spotlighted as among the best of breed. This is something that could be the beginning of a real sport.
It is a shame that Mark is not being recognized for his very real contributions. He is putting his money where is mouth is. There are not many in the same league.
Did you mean Mark W. or Mark G.??
Watchez, there's more expense to attending a pool event than entry fees, hotel rooms, and food. Unless the players are getting paid to play *and* cover all expeneses, of course, whether they win, place, or show, attending some events, especially if you live on the East Coast, can be challenging.
Some players today, who may have left pro pool to take on a traditional job, the problem may be getting off work for that long a period of time. One example is Dann-y H. from St. Louis who was guaranteed a payday to compete in a challenge match with Joh-n S., but he had just started a full-time job and did not want to take the chance on losing that "guaranteed" income of a traditional job for a one-time challenge match. lt's hard for some to understand, I guess, and Danny took a lot of heat for not jumping on a guaranteed one-time payment to dance, but I totally empathize with his stance because of the new job.
With fewer pro-caliber-type competitions on the horizon where pros are eligible to compete in the event, there are some pros who have taken a full-time job.
It is curious, however, how some European pros can afford to live in the United States and compete around the world -- or I should say and can afford to compete around the world.
Personally, I really enjoyed the weekend happenings like the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour and other regional tours. You only had the expenses of 2 days, and if you have a Monday-through-Friday-type job, you can still make it back to work by Monday. This is very attractive for some. Sure, the payouts are not as high as week-long events, but they ain't too shabby either, especially when a calcutta is involved. Ka-ching! :grin-square:
Logistics and geography also come into play big time. It's pretty expensive for East Coast folks to travel across the country and attend pool happenings. For most, it may be a once-a-year thing they incorporate into a vacation. For the pro who lives on the East Coast, it is doggone expensive -- even if perks are generously provided.
I have received several PMs and a couple e-mails about the topic of this thread that inadvertantly relate to the rumors circulating about this year's Mosconi Cup. One of them, I believe because of the source. Disparate times call for desperate measures, I guess.
Danny's from Springfield,Mo.:wink:
I don't really have any problem with the concept of invitationals.
As a spectator, I enjoy watching stuff like the Mosconi Cup.
And I'm sure players enjoy playing in it, there's a lot of prestige (and money) for the chosen few.
That's win-win.
I just don't like the idea of closing off an event based on hurt feelings.
Hold an invitational for business reasons, or because it advances the popularity of the sport.
Don't hold it because "these guys disrespected me, so screw them, they're locked out now."
As a spectator, I enjoy watching stuff like the Mosconi Cup.
And I'm sure players enjoy playing in it, there's a lot of prestige (and money) for the chosen few.
That's win-win.
I just don't like the idea of closing off an event based on hurt feelings.
Hold an invitational for business reasons, or because it advances the popularity of the sport.
Don't hold it because "these guys disrespected me, so screw them, they're locked out now."
I love the idea of an invitational event but after the first I would like to see it go up to 32 players with 24 players being invited and the other 8 spots open to the top 8 of a qualifier tournament.
Creedo,
I'm not so sure on this one. Me and Mr Griffin have differed in opinion many times in the past since CSI took over the BCA pool leagues. Mark has my cell number and I, his. Even at its worst, I've respected Mark and his opinions. Take away CSI's events and there is very little else going for pool's better players. Don't think Mark just asks for respect from the players, he earned it! Earned it whether or not his events made money. Tough to take a loss, smile and then have dirt thrown in your face. In the end, look at what Mark and his staff have achieved. Then look at the line of failures his detractors have left. If this is payback, let a lesson be learned. Hopefully both sides won't suffer. Tomorrows a new day. JMHO.
Lyn
Watchez, there's more expense to attending a pool event than entry fees, hotel rooms, and food. Unless the players are getting paid to play *and* cover all expeneses, of course, whether they win, place, or show, attending some events, especially if you live on the East Coast, can be challenging.
Some players today, who may have left pro pool to take on a traditional job, the problem may be getting off work for that long a period of time. One example is Dann-y H. from St. Louis who was guaranteed a payday to compete in a challenge match with Joh-n S., but he had just started a full-time job and did not want to take the chance on losing that "guaranteed" income of a traditional job for a one-time challenge match. lt's hard for some to understand, I guess, and Danny took a lot of heat for not jumping on a guaranteed one-time payment to dance, but I totally empathize with his stance because of the new job.
With fewer pro-caliber-type competitions on the horizon where pros are eligible to compete in the event, there are some pros who have taken a full-time job.
It is curious, however, how some European pros can afford to live in the United States and compete around the world -- or I should say and can afford to compete around the world.
Personally, I really enjoyed the weekend happenings like the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour and other regional tours. You only had the expenses of 2 days, and if you have a Monday-through-Friday-type job, you can still make it back to work by Monday. This is very attractive for some. Sure, the payouts are not as high as week-long events, but they ain't too shabby either, especially when a calcutta is involved. Ka-ching! :grin-square:
Logistics and geography also come into play big time. It's pretty expensive for East Coast folks to travel across the country and attend pool happenings. For most, it may be a once-a-year thing they incorporate into a vacation. For the pro who lives on the East Coast, it is doggone expensive -- even if perks are generously provided.
I have received several PMs and a couple e-mails about the topic of this thread that inadvertantly relate to the rumors circulating about this year's Mosconi Cup. One of them, I believe because of the source. Disparate times call for desperate measures, I guess.
Your analysis/info on why Danny didn't play is off - way off. I'll leave it at that. (I hope it is not the same source that is feeding you info on the Mosconi Cup)
Interesting, my source about Danny was Danny himself via PM on this forum. Hmm . . . You may be confusing which time Danny was going to play. There were several.
As far as Mosconi Cup, there's so many rumors flying around, it is difficult to know which one is true.
