CTE Aiming Video

SJDinPHX said:
Did the "China card" hurt that bad ? So sorry.

If I knew how, I would put up a poll something like this;

Who has been the most dis-respectfull, cynical, personally offensive and mean spirited, in the forum exchange between John and Dick ?

# John

# Dick

# Its about even

# who gives a s**t

I think you might be surprised at the outcome of such a poll. (I think #4 would be the nuts.)
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We don't need a poll, your words speak for themselves. No Dick, you trying to insult me using China is completely old and has been done by people who are far better at it than you are. It just shows that you are more than willing to bring a red herring into the discussion when you are out of options. To use a pool analogy, you are playing with your give-up stroke.
 
I'll Take FOOD For $2000, Alex.

SJDinPHX states emphatically:
But ONLY, I stress ONLY, if you are blessed with the proper genes.
I say again, good luck in your endless pursuit.
Dick



And therein lies my problem, I couldn't find any genes that FIT.
Doug

'"What can be more frustating, than a perfectionist, forced to live in an imperfect world"
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A compulsive eater, behind bars and all the food just out of arms reach... imo

Doug
 
I am confused. When I aim 1 tip right or left then shift to center am i still to aim at the outside edge or what? After I shift where do I aim?
 
It's my understanding that ALL of the aiming is done before you pivot to center. Aim (left or right 1 tip or whatever), pivot to center and fire.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Man there's a lot of bad info in this thread.

1) you dont aim prior to the pivot outside of the CTEL
2) pivot doesn't have to be 1 tip, hell, Busty pivots more than a 1/2 ball

If you guys wanna learn, call Hal (if he takes calls still) or see Stan. I wouldn't lean on an argument-filled thread to get solid information.
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Eric in his video clearly describes half-ball, one tip left of center to edge then pivot to center, and one tip right of center to edge and then pivot to center.

Are you and Eric talking about different methods? Or do you think he just doesn't get it? Didn't Eric learn it from Hal?

He seems confident that these three aims is what works to split the pocket on all shots. If you take that at face value, to what do you attribute his success?

When I tried with this technique on the table after I watched Eric's video, I quickly came to the conclusion that the "one tip fits all" as described doesn't work. And I started varying it. If a shot was slightly thinner than half-ball hit, for instance, I'd aim from slightly inside of center to edge and then pivot. If a shot was a thin cut I might start out aiming from a couple tips inside of center to the edge of the object ball and then pivot.

And of course all these tip offsets get scaled down as the distance between the balls increases.

There were a couple of good byproducts of doing this, imo

(1) it caused me to actually aim--sometimes we think we're aiming but we're really not (quiet eye blah blah blah)

(2) it caused me to focus on the ball/ball relation while down on the shot, which is what is important .

(3) it forced me to really make sure I was hitting the center of the cueball. This is not a bad exercise, imo.

After a while you start guessing the initial tip offsets (the correct ones of which depend on the cut angle and the cueball-object ball distance) reasonably well. And then you can always do a little fiddling if it's not quite right when you get to centerball.

Anyway I'm curious what Spider Dave thinks of Eric's approach as described in the video.
 
I agree....on very thin cuts, more than 1 tip inside of center to edge is necessary to pocket the ball. Adjustments are required on various shots especially when tight pockets are used.
All aiming systems are good....there is always a feature in a aiming system that one can benefit from. Personally, I don't use one anymore...I just get down and shoot. But, Eric, this one is probably one of the better ones I have encountered. Good Job
 
SpiderWebComm said:
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You can be successful with Eric's technique for sure (the only exception is not pivoting on 1/2 ball hits - I think you pivot on every single shot). Or, you can have a big pivot like me - either is fine.
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I didn't understand this the last time you said it either. Would you explain in a little more detail how you approach a shot that it turns out is exactly a half-ball hit? One for which center-to-edge is the perfect aim?

If you're missing a lot, Mike, you're not pivoting to the correct CB center - that's all.
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hmmm... http://skepdic.com/begging.html

Mike, I'd love to spend a few hours with you on this stuff if we ever run into each other. I promise either you're not "seeing" the CTEL accurately or you're pivoting to the wrong center. Either can be addressed before the second beer was empty.
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That sounds like fun
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Practice a little and maybe someday I'm sure you'll figure it out all by yourself. You're an instructor, instruct.

You posted a question, I answered it based on your original question. If you wanna learn more, invest some time in leaving your little laptop in Fargo and find who has the knowledge and get it. No need to drop smart-assed links just because you tried it and it doesn't work. Just means you're not doing it right. I left my living room to get the knowledge years ago and I'm alllll good. No need to hate.
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All right I see this isn't going in the right direction. Nevermind...
 
mikepage said:
Eric in his video clearly describes half-ball, one tip left of center to edge then pivot to center, and one tip right of center to edge and then pivot to center.

Are you and Eric talking about different methods? Or do you think he just doesn't get it? Didn't Eric learn it from Hal?

He seems confident that these three aims is what works to split the pocket on all shots. If you take that at face value, to what do you attribute his success?

When I tried with this technique on the table after I watched Eric's video, I quickly came to the conclusion that the "one tip fits all" as described doesn't work. And I started varying it. If a shot was slightly thinner than half-ball hit, for instance, I'd aim from slightly inside of center to edge and then pivot. If a shot was a thin cut I might start out aiming from a couple tips inside of center to the edge of the object ball and then pivot.

And of course all these tip offsets get scaled down as the distance between the balls increases.

There were a couple of good byproducts of doing this, imo

(1) it caused me to actually aim--sometimes we think we're aiming but we're really not (quiet eye blah blah blah)

(2) it caused me to focus on the ball/ball relation while down on the shot, which is what is important .

(3) it forced me to really make sure I was hitting the center of the cueball. This is not a bad exercise, imo.

After a while you start guessing the initial tip offsets (the correct ones of which depend on the cut angle and the cueball-object ball distance) reasonably well. And then you can always do a little fiddling if it's not quite right when you get to centerball.

Anyway I'm curious what Spider Dave thinks of Eric's approach as described in the video.
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You are correct Mike. I do vary off the "one tip" right to left. Shots that are closer to the line I come down on must be wider than those at a longer distance. If you did the drill you would see that as you push the limits of l-r and r-l you do need to have the inside of your tip aimed thick or thin but the aim point is still the edge. Hal told me he has many systems. This is the one that I found worked best for me. Dave uses a similar system. Spidey has shown me there's a better way to get to the same correct aim point....but I gave my word I wouldn't share that secret. ;)
 
I played around with this last nite for a couple hours and its pretty impressive! I could see once u fully understand it which seems like it may take a bit but it will be well worth learning!! pretty cool splitting the pocket just by looking at cue ball and object ball!! getting a good consistent pivot seems to be the biggest problem for me at this point.
 
mikepage said:
There were a couple of good byproducts of doing this, imo

(1) it caused me to actually aim--sometimes we think we're aiming but we're really not (quiet eye blah blah blah)

(2) it caused me to focus on the ball/ball relation while down on the shot, which is what is important .

(3) it forced me to really make sure I was hitting the center of the cueball. This is not a bad exercise, imo.
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I think these are good byproducts too, but it should be pointed out that this system isn't the only way to get them. These habits should be (and mostly are) learned no matter what aiming method is used.

And now (in other posts) the "system guys" are openly discussing the adjustments they make - as if it wasn't the very thing they've bitterly denied for months. LOL.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I think these are good by products too, but it should be pointed out that this system isn't the only way to get them. These habits should be (and mostly are) learned no matter what aiming method is used.

pj
chgo
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That's true pj, but a great many players have a very vague aiming and CB addressing method, so this organization and improved perception could be highly effective for them

Colin
 
eezbank said:
You are correct Mike. I do vary off the "one tip" right to left. Shots that are closer to the line I come down on must be wider than those at a longer distance. If you did the drill you would see that as you push the limits of l-r and r-l you do need to have the inside of your tip aimed thick or thin but the aim point is still the edge. Hal told me he has many systems. This is the one that I found worked best for me. Dave uses a similar system. Spidey has shown me there's a better way to get to the same correct aim point....but I gave my word I wouldn't share that secret. ;)
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eezbank,
Thanks for explaining that. That is a method I tried also with some success, but it would need more practice for me to judge the correct offset.

Do you feel you can judge the offset so well that you can pretty much pivot and shoot (not looking to the OB), or do you sometimes make a slight bridge shift during the pivot to CB center?

Colin
 
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