CTE Pro One Visual Sweep versus Manual Pivot
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So let's try this again to see if there is an answer.
What is the correlation between the mechanical pivot and the pro one sweep? How can every person's sweep equal a 1/2 tip pivot?
The answer can't be
1. because it works
2. i have answered it before, as I have asked many times with no answer
3. it is on the dvd or youtube videos as I have watched all
4. Do not go into watch so and so videos on how they shoot. Anyone who has years of experience, has knowledge and ability before the did CTE. I would bet you shot well before hand.
My answer would be the sweep, or anything works because you have subconsciously trained through repetition to see and feel the position.
Now can you give a thorough explanation?
What is the correlation between the mechanical pivot and the pro one sweep? How can every person's sweep equal a 1/2 tip pivot?
The answer can't be
1. because it works
2. i have answered it before, as I have asked many times with no answer
3. it is on the dvd or youtube videos as I have watched all
4. Do not go into watch so and so videos on how they shoot. Anyone who has years of experience, has knowledge and ability before the did CTE. I would bet you shot well before hand.
My answer would be the sweep, or anything works because you have subconsciously trained through repetition to see and feel the position.
Now can you give a thorough explanation?
No question about the content you give....I'm talking about the tone and timber of the conversations.
Even when someone is being very disrespectful, it would behoove you as a merchant, a teacher, a businessman to keep a cool head.
Dave
I will answer your initial need about correlation.
Understand that CTE is a visual system.....repeat VISUAL SYSTEM.
For a given CTE visual......a fixed cue ball is established, VISUALLY.....the fixed edges allow a CCB to be determined. The 1/2 tip pivot or sweep is based on a FIXED CUE BALL....
How one executes the physical end of the rotation to CCB is up to one's level of experience with CTE pivoting....
The rotational closure can be in the form of
Manual 1/2 tip pivot
Visual sweep
Full circle approach
Or
By use of a disguised pivot.
At the foundation of all of the above are the visuals.
My wife can learn the visuals for a 15 but that does not mean she can effectively rotate to CCB......at least not in the beginning.
Stan Shuffett
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Ron Swanson
Banned
Do you believe everyone who does not think CTE (or any other aiming system) has much quantifiable merit to be a 'sniper or troll'?
Ps that would be virtually everyone who has ever picked up a cue - and every single champion, ever.
You have NEVER contributed anything positive to a CTE thread. Here is a prime example of where I answer a question. One post later, what shows up?? A TROLL!!
This is one example of why contributing in this forum is so difficult.
Stan Shuffett
Of course that's true. "The visuals" ("you know it when you see it") are at the foundation of all aiming.
Better known as the "f" word (can I say that here?).
pj
chgo
How would you know? You just posted that the CTE visuals were fractional twins!
Oh, I see, you have been at the table working on the visuals since the other day. Now you can ask informed questions from experience.
It is so simple to teach and learn CTE perceptions. They can be learned and they can be repeated.
Stan Shuffett
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I haven't seen anything advertised for sale.
Why thank you and you are right. Stan puts way too much on youtube IMO.
Just asking that question shows that you know nothing of CTE. It's very telling. You aren't so much looking for an answer to an honest question as you are thinking you have stumbled upon something to discredit the system.
If you knew ANYTHING about using the system, you would understand what a "fixed" cb is, and what that means. Once you have your fixed cb, that determines where you place your bridge hand and then pivot from there to center cb. That can be done manually, or it can be done visually. In pro one, you place your bridge hand where the fixed cb is, and pivot in the air to center cb from that fixed cb. At the point of doing this, you are only looking at the cb.
Ron,
I have said this over and over on the forums, but apparently it needs to be said again.
The system works for some people. It doesn't work for others. For some people though, they just can't accept that it not working for them doesn't mean that it works for no one.
You were on the edge with your first paragraph, but then you had to make a point with paragraph two.
If you want to contribute to this conversation constructively, feel free. If all you are going to do is snipe about how it works for no one, then you are going to be looking for another forum to visit pretty soon.
This is the one and only warning I am going to give to you in these threads. If you are getting ready to reply to a CTE thread, stop and ask yourseif if there is any way that Mike will find this baiting or trolling. If the answer is yes, then don't hit "submit reply".
Mike
I have said this over and over on the forums, but apparently it needs to be said again.
The system works for some people. It doesn't work for others. For some people though, they just can't accept that it not working for them doesn't mean that it works for no one.
You were on the edge with your first paragraph, but then you had to make a point with paragraph two.
If you want to contribute to this conversation constructively, feel free. If all you are going to do is snipe about how it works for no one, then you are going to be looking for another forum to visit pretty soon.
This is the one and only warning I am going to give to you in these threads. If you are getting ready to reply to a CTE thread, stop and ask yourseif if there is any way that Mike will find this baiting or trolling. If the answer is yes, then don't hit "submit reply".
Mike
swest said:
Hello, again, mista355. Boy, I missed a lot of drama the last couple of days...
I just wanted to confirm my intent to respond to your question(s) (both explicit and implied). I just haven't had the time to give the kind of response I want to. It's going to take a little work.
So, even if this thread suffers an untimely demise... I'll just start a new one and address you (mista355) at the top.
Later.
- s.west
No worries, I know John Higgins isn't the fastest player in the world.
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. I think this thread proves once and for all that CTE can't be discussed in this forum without it turning into a slug fest.
Theoretically this thread should have been a thread where CTE users exchanged their views on manual pivoting versus visual sweeping. It only took post #6 to send it off the rails into the direction it always goes - into the toilet.
I know you are a fair minded person and you own or owned the DVD so I wouldn't mind reading what you have to say - but not here. If you want to PM me, that's fine.
Posting anything here about CTE is, for me, is just a waste of time now and only serves to raise everybody's blood pressure.
Maybe CTE users need a moderated Google Group or something to be able to discuss things.
Again. No answer to the question. I guess since you can't answer the question you do not know anything either.
Can you please answer the question
What?? You have to be kidding me! I gave you the answer! If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you!
edit: Stan also gave you the answer. The fact that you told both of us that we gave no answer only showcases your knowledge of CTE. Which has to be somewhere below CTE 101. The only way you could say we gave no answer is if you are either trolling to discredit the system, or if your knowledge of the system is close to zero. You obviously have not tried it on a table at all, or you would know exactly what we are talking about. But, if you don't even know what the terms mean, you won't understand. And, if you don't even know what the terms mean, that only showcases how much effort you have put into learning it so that you can intelligently ask questions about it.
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Neil teed up your CTE profile perfectly. There is nothing that I could say that would augment in any way, anything that Neil wrote.
Stan Shuffett
GoldenFlash
Banned
PLEASE do not stop contributing because of those who know not what they're saying.
I know you remember how I carried that cloth covered board around with me along with some balls and in between my bus stops for any length of time, I'd practice learning those perceptions. That's been about 6 months ago and now it all seems so easy.
I must have had a pretty good stroke and all that because I'm finding out now WHY I missed so many shots. I did not perceive the 15,30,45,60 angles...now I do. I am surprised myself at times when I looked at a shot, got the perception, fell into shooting position, and RELIED ON THE SYSTEM. (Not what I had done for 60 years by saying..."mmm that looks pretty good let's pull the trigger".)
Having a reliable repeatable method of getting on the proper angle is a lifesaver.
Years ago I wanted to be a good photographer...but my prints were nothing like I thought they would be. A man told me I had not learned "how to see" photographically and gave me a book called just that "How To See".
Right away I started seeing improvement...now I am pretty good.
Same thing with CTE...a person has just got to make the hard headed decision to stay with it day after day after day.... and one day, almost like magic, it kicks in and then....wow, the balls start going in the pockets more than ever before. And suddenly "seeing" the consistent angles isn't so hard anymore.
Ignore the bleating of sheep....stick with giving out the information so many players need.
Regards and THANK YOU.
Flash. (A VERY satisfied customer and student of the method)
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