cue butchers??????????????

i was taught by my coach in my young days playing snooker, was that any player worth his shit, knows how to put a tip.

So i never sent cues to have cuemakers to have tips put on. i only put, or change the tips of the cues i sold (typically Mooris), and so far i never had complaints.

And my "equipment"? a Swiss army knife, scotch tape, 3 ton epoxy, sand paper, new crisp dollar notes, a self made filing tool and patience. Due to a process i do, my tips do not need to be played a while to be "run in".

in fact i had my country pros coming to me (in the pool halls i play) to change tips. but i only do cues of close frens i know.
 
Thank God Mike Webb lives close by.
I've never brought my cue to anyone else and hopefully will never have to.

As far as bad, I've seen a really bad tip job from a local guy but recently he's been getting better.
 
The guy that owns the local pool hall here in my town is the only guy that does tips and shafts. He has a willard tipper trimmer and does the rest by hand. The other night I was in there shooting and a guy came in to pick up a shaft that he had the owner put a new tip on. The owner offered to get the dings out and proceeded to wet a rag with hot water (don't know if it was soaking wet or just really damp) and wiped it up and down the cue, then sanding it by hand with 600 grit paper. The guy was totally happy. I could be wrong, but that seems like a good way to warp a shaft and/or sand a flat spot in it
 
Years ago I went to a poolhall in Louisiana and asked if they could replace a Meucci ferrule. They said sure we'll cut the old off and cut a new tenon and put on a ferrule. I said no thanks. A month later in Florida I asked another poolhall if they could do it. They said sure we'll cut the old off and cut a new tenon and put on a ferrule. Finally another month later in Illinois I went the poolhall hosting the Busch 9 ball tournament in Moline. The guy said no problem I'll heat the old ferrule, pull it off and replace it. A couple hours later he handed me back a shaft about 1 1/2 inches shorter than it's sister and denied ever cutting any wood despite the evidence. Later about 1980 I was in Bert Schragers shop for a new tip on my Szamboti and his cueboy insisted they needed the butt as well as the shaft. Bert came out of the back then and told me it'd be a week before he could get to it. Bert was super nice about it and even sold me a Martin cue for a hundred to give me something with which to shoot. When I returned a week later the tip was on, blatantly used and a couple dings on the butt. Bert apologized for his cueboy and to make it up he sold me one of his ivory/ebony cues at a 50% markdown. Now I stay in the shop with my cues until they are finished.
 
Koop said:
Thank God Mike Webb lives close by.
I've never brought my cue to anyone else and hopefully will never have to.

Same goes for me with Paul Fanelli.

-Roger
 
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buddha162 said:
How the HELL does he stay in business?!

Man, if I went to pick up my shaft and it had dents all over it there'd be trouble, I gauran-fkn-tee it.

-Roger (not sure if a broken shaft can stab through a man, but will give it my best shot)
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He uses that.
I GAVE him Delrin collets just to be nice.
HE has not used them.:eek:
 
JoeyInCali said:
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He uses that.
I GAVE him Delrin collets just to be nice.
HE has not used them.:eek:



Ouch, that looks like It would hurt. I've never used anything like that. Those things look like a saw blade. I use delrin also.

I sometimes go without the collets on housecues that don't want to center out very well, but I do use a piece of leather and have smooth jaws. The key for me to keep those dents out you mentioned is in the feel when tightening the scroll down. If you over tighten them they will still dent, and If too loose the cue may spin in the jaws, requiring cleaning the shaft at a minimum. sometimes chucking half way on the ferrule helps prevent the dents also. I have pretty good luck either way I go, because I pay extra attention to that kind of stuff, and pull dents for people all the time, so I know how hard they can be to pull when they're that bad, and don't want to create any extra work for Myself.

I believe It should be said that I don't recomend anyone chuck up the way I mentioned, because all jaws are not the same, and even the ones I have can leave dents if you over crank them. I just seem to be able to feel that point before it starts crushing the wood from repetitive action of doing alot of tip and ferrule work, and it centers easier then using the collets for me sometimes. Even A decent collet can dent a shaft If over tightened.
 
> At a tournament this past weekend in Memphis,I had my first bad experience in a LONG time. I do all my own repairs normally,unless I'm at a tournament and don't have my equipment available. My favorite shaft had a tip on it that was 2 years old and had never had any problems with it,until it started making noise and would not grab the ball regardless of how I scuffed or chalked it. I knew something had to be done,because I was waiting to play a match. I looked at it very carefully and KNEW it wasn't loose,the tip wasn't coming apart,and still have no clue what caused it. I had the guy that was working the tournament install a new Sumo,same thing I installed on it 2 years ago with great results. I stood and watched him,just like I normally do. This guy has been pretty free with helpful info and ideas,and had no problems until now. He finishes the tip,and just hands the shaft back to me and says it will be 15 bucks,without even removing the excess glue,scratches,and reddish coating from the tip from my ivory ferrule,not to mention the deep dents caused by his collet. I asked him if he was going to clean it up,and he said that will be another 10 bucks. I made damn sure he saw me roll my eyes and told him to go ahead,since the shaft was unplayable as it was,at this point I was getting REALLY hot. His method of cleaning the shaft was a sopping wet green Scotch-Brite pad,along with what looked like 1/2 CUP of water,he dried it with a leather burnisher,hit it with 400,and without sanding it out any further,applies a really heavy coat of horribly thick,sticky sealer. While the sealer is drying,he takes a fresh razor blade,and proceeds to dig into the tip until it looked like it had been burnished with those crappy Ultimate Tip Tools or those plastic burnishers that look like a joint protector. I can clearly hear the chatter of the blade on the ivory,and start looking for something to break over his head,I am 100% serious when I say I wanted to fight him at this point. He barely sands the ferrule with 400,burnishes the tip with the leather again,and asks me if I want to use my wax on the shaft or his,I said neither until you thin this sealer out some. Out comes the 400 again,still ignoring the clearly visible glue on the ferrule,and at this point I decided this was the time to cut my losses and accept it as is,before it got worse. My previously pristine ivory ferrule will SURELY have to be replaced,after looking at it under a jewelers loupe,the chatter marks and gouges cannot be fixed except with radical sanding,the shaft feels like you spilled Coke on it,and I'm 25 bucks stuck for the effort. I feel RAPED,and still want to fight him. I made it a point to bring this to him privately,as he seems like the type to get ignorant if his methods,workmanship or ethics are questioned with other people within earshot. I pulled him off to the side and said "look,maybe this is just a case of you being tired or something,but this shaft you worked on for me is unaccpetable,how do you want to handle it?" He said "it's already been handled,the work is done,I can't be expected to please everyone". I walked off rather than pursue it any further,I only told about 50 people over the remainder of the weekend about it,most of which said this was NOT the first time they had heard about marginal work from him,and made sure everyone I told saw exactly what I meant. I also showed everyone who's opinions mattered the ivory ferrule I installed on vivalaraza's shaft,100% of the people polled said it was FLAWLESS. Even this professional repairman,who's opinion I previously respected said it looked like it was installed by Schon,so I KNOW my workmanship is on par with his. By the way,this was only my 2nd ivory ferrule. The majority of the people that saw the ones I've done have urged me to make every effort to work this particular tournament next year,their support will be rewarded by me trying to do exactly that. Tommy D.
 
Off topic a little, I guess, since this is a positive review, but Don Purdy does excellent work. I went to him last time I had my tip replaced. The tip was perfectly flush to the ferrule and shaped the way I asked, and the shaft and ferrule were far smoother and prettier than they had been before, with no change in diameter.

-Andrew
 
I butchered two cues in my first several months of cue repair back in the 1980's. One was when an Elk Master grabbed my utility blade and kicked it back and gouged the ferrule. I did not have any Micarta with me at the tournament and told the guy to bring it by my shop and and I would replace it for free. He was real nice about it, but showed it to all his friends at the tournament and cost me $100's in business. That one only hurt my reputation for a moment.
But before I ever went out doing repairs my friend wanted me to replace a ferrule. I had not done it before and had the ferrule I was trimming down kick my tool and I gouged his shaft. This was on a wood lathe using hand tools. The guy is nice about it and we decided the way to fix it right away is to sand his shaft down to 11.5mm. He got to liking that small diameter and was glad it happened. Later once I had advanced and got better I built him a new shaft that was 13mm. He went right back to the 11.5mm shaft as he had grown to like it.
Well the story does not end there. We are still good friends. So 15 years later we go to play pool and someone asks him about his thin shaft. He points over to me and tells them that I am a cuemaker and build awesome cues and that I was working on his cue and gouged it and turned it down that small to fix it. He thought he was complimenting me and continued to brag on my cues. But he failed to tell the guy it was 15 years earlier that I messed his shaft up. So now there is this guy who thinks I am a cue butcher and probably would never let me work on his cue in a million years. :(
People should take care not to work on other peoples cues until they have already perfected their technique for that particular job on their own cues. One mistake could come back to haunt them 15 years later. Hopefully all the guys you have mentioned will improve and be doing awesome repairs someday, or find another outlet.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
Cueman:
That's how I learned gunsmithing on a Colt 45 - on MY OWN firearm doing my own phuqueups. And did I learn lots like always remove metal from the cheaper part instead of either the slide or frame!

Get yourselves an old beatup bar cue to work on as a learning experience.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Off topic a little, I guess, since this is a positive review, but Don Purdy does excellent work. I went to him last time I had my tip replaced. The tip was perfectly flush to the ferrule and shaped the way I asked, and the shaft and ferrule were far smoother and prettier than they had been before, with no change in diameter.

-Andrew

Thank you Andrew, I really appriciate it!
Now for the truth. When I purchased my lathe, I learned on my own cues. Yep, you bet I butchered em. When you learn on your own stuff, you only make the mistake once. I wouldn't even touch someone elses cue at first.
Now I have a guy that I put a leather wrap on for. He says he doesn't want to pay because his shaft is warped. Hey, I put on the wrap and fixed his case. Never had the shaft in my possesion. I told him to buy me a couple of beers and we would forget it. No problem. You think I will ever do anything for him again. ;)
Purdman:cool:
 
Butchering

I started building cues 2 years ago with Hightowers lathe. Before I started on other people's cues - I wanted to make sure I could actually build one (and make the mistakes on my own cue). Luckily - I havent butchered anything yet. I would like to praise Scott and Proficient Billiards and Paul Mottey (who only works on his own stuff). Both do first rate work.
 
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Wow, Purdy! You've lost some weight and grew more hair.
Your ears are sticking out more though.:D
 
Lesson

When I was in college there was a little pool room that used all home tables. You had to pay .35 per game and you called out "Rack!" and the family members would come and rack the balls for you. They were a McDermott dealer and I had bought a McDermott from cornhusker. I took it to them to put a new tip on there. The old fella who was the patriarch of the place did the tips. Well...when I went to pick up my stick it was obvious that he had sanded the entire shaft- ferrule- everything. Even when I went to get my shaft he did a courtesy touch up my jacking it off again with some gritty paper.

I learned a valuable lesson there. And when I finally bought a schon- I had the same tip on there for a few years. It was sad.
 
Run the Century said:
I started building cues 2 years ago with Hightowers lathe. Before I started on other people's cues - I wanted to make sure I could actually build one (and make the mistakes on my own cue). Luckily - I havent butchered anything yet. I would like to praise Scott and Proficient Billiards and Paul Mottey (who only works on his own stuff). Both do first rate work.

Hello, when you say that you started building cues two years ago with a Hightower Lathe, what type of cues are you building?

Thanks Craig
 
If anyone in denver need repair work I am available most nights. You are welcome to watch the work being done. Chris Byrne CB custom cues 720 206 4034
 
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