Cue "Hit" rating system.

jensen_lover

jensen_lover

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I think we should have an index for how a cue hits. It could be like meat cut at the deli. There is a little display that has 1-10 with corresponding thicknesses. If we had that for cues it would be easier to know if a cue hits stiff as a broom (maybe a 10) or hits as soft as a pillow (maybe a 1). If everyone that sold a cue here looked to see how their cue fell on the scale, it would be easier for potential buyers to know if they want that cue. With every number we could have a corresponding example, i.e. Southwest, Players, etc. If an expert or two chimed in I think it can be a very helpful tool. Can this work or is "Hit" too objective?
 
In my opinion, there is nothing as hard to describe as the "hit" of a cue. Also, there are so, so many variables. The same cue will not hit the same if you change tips or ferrules. I know that I often try to describe the particular hit of a cue for a prospective buyer, but it is always just my opinion. There have been several times when I felt that a cue had a firm hit, and the buyer said they felt like it was more medium, and vice versa. The hit, feedback, cueball movement, etc are just so difficult to describe in a cue. It is just as much the stroke of the player, if not more so, than the hit of the cue.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
In my opinion, there is nothing as hard to describe as the "hit" of a cue. Also, there are so, so many variables. The same cue will not hit the same if you change tips or ferrules. I know that I often try to describe the particular hit of a cue for a prospective buyer, but it is always just my opinion. There have been several times when I felt that a cue had a firm hit, and the buyer said they felt like it was more medium, and vice versa. The hit, feedback, cueball movement, etc are just so difficult to describe in a cue. It is just as much the stroke of the player, if not more so, than the hit of the cue.

Joe
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All the more reason to quantify the "hit". Like I said experts could chime in. If an expert says this cue is a seven and then you hit with it, you now know how a seven feels and can better label your cues for prospective buyers. It was just a thought and I know how hard it is to quantify subjective information but someone has to be able to do it. We can start with the cue maker buildoff cues. Since 20 or so people will be hitting with them, that is 20 people that better understand the sytem. That becomes 40 then 80 and so on.
 
I wouldnt use a rate system.

instead of rating it like one to ten use a comparison system like shon to jacoby. or maybe combined them like a 6 is a predator, or high end Meccui
 
Are you buying something or selling something or is this another thread in the wrong forum????
 
I think buyers should be more aware that "hit" is subjective so just because you buy a cue and the hit is not what you are looking for does not make it a bad cue, just one that is not for you. I know when I buy a cue I dont worry about what the seller says the hit is like as my feel for a cues hit may be different and I realize I might have to sell the cue if the hit is not what I want. Lord knows I have tried out hundreds of cues and there has only been a handful that I would have kept for myself but that doesnt make the others better or worse.
 
BoomerMueller said:
instead of rating it like one to ten use a comparison system like shon to jacoby. or maybe combined them like a 6 is a predator, or high end Meccui
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That is what I meant when I said the number could have corresponding cues, like Southwest, Players, etc.

Grumpy said:
Are you buying something or selling something or is this another thread in the wrong forum????
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Are you a moderator? If you are, feel free to move it.
 
Hit meaning flex of the shaft?
Might as well just get shaft and butt taper specs.

Reasonance would vary from wood to wood.
Factor in ferrule and tip materials.
 
No problem, here you go:

10 - Hits just like a Southwest. (No, really)
9 - Hits like a ton (Odd, because no-one has ever made a 32,000oz cue to date.)
8 - Best hitting cue I've ever owned (I'm only selling it because my wife/daughter/grandmother really needs that operation)
7 - Hits like a million dollars. (But costs only a minor percentage of that!)
6 - Hits very stiff but with tons of feel. (Comes supplied with a free slice of cake, so you can eat it too.)
5 - Hits like a full splice and/or one-piece cue (You know, like all those great one-piece full splice cues, also known as "house cues".)
4 - Hits like a lighter cue (Applies to any cue weighing 20oz or more without a removable weight bolt.)
3 - Hits just like an expensive custom cue (Applies only to production cues)
2 - Hits just like a McDermott (Applies only to no-name custom cues)
1 - Hits like a Meucci.
 
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1.Hits 'em so hard there grand pappys got bruises.
2.Shaft rather whippy with long spiral lines and a faintly strawberry odor. (...don't go there...)
3.This is the cue I swore I'd keep, but there's two more coming so it has to go.
4.Hate to sell this one, but I need doctor money 'cause ...I went there...
5.I actually stole this one at the pool hall last Friday, but I'm accepting offers by Pony Express courier. Cash is king, no trades.
6.When my sister hit a few with my favorite cue, she got so good she was able to leave the street. Have to sell this one to pick up the slack in my income. Hard times... hard times...
 
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Buddy of mine had a beautiful cue, georgeous work, very expensive....since I didn't have a cue, he offered to let me play with it (yeah, he's just that nice of a guy).......he loved that cue, the hit, everything....I couldn't make a ball with the damn thing, the balance was weird, and IMHO it hit like crap....I later switched back to a house cue......I had the misconception that a beautiful expensive cue had to hit great....

Yep, it's totally subjective....
 
You don't have to be a MODERATOR

jensen_lover said:
That is what I meant when I said the number could have corresponding cues, like Southwest, Players, etc.



Are you a moderator? If you are, feel free to move it.
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To know you posted in the WRONG SECTION! You posted it YOU MOVE IT! You come across like a smart ass but by posting this here we know you aren't! Ron
 
rigmaster said:
To know you posted in the WRONG SECTION! You posted it YOU MOVE IT! You come across like a smart ass but by posting this here we know you aren't! Ron
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I WANT a system to help people SELL cues. Since this is the WANTed/for SALE section, I thought it would be the most pertinent section. And he was a smartass first.
 
Cue hit

Sorry, but I dont think it would work, everyone is different, and therefor you would have so many different opinions as to what the hit actually is . If you are say 6ft 220lbs alot of upper body well tuned mass verses a guy like 5ft9 an 165 lbs take the same cue give it both guys you may get entirly different readings from both shooters, I feel there are only 4 types of hits anyway, and these are just examples by my standards,and I am sure these will vary for other players as well.
1.Soft - like a Meucci with shaft flex- Not my favorite.
2.Med- not really soft just no shaft flex, just good feedback.
3.Firm- Nice solid hit no vibration when ball is struck, like the old Paul Huebler models from the implex jopint that he was famous for.
4.Stiff- Now I say lots of well made cues like SW just as an example,
Very firm solid hit, no vibration what so ever, but good feedback, cue feels like its an extension of your own arm,an just feels perfectly natural. Now these are only examples, every cue that is made depending on wood selections,component combonations, brass scews verses SS screws phenolic joints verses Ivory an SS, balance, forward weighted or backend weighted, are allways going to act differently these are the simple laws of physics, action / reaction hell a cold day verses a really warm day different conditions different reaction, it all boils down to how a cue feels in the hands of each shooter.:cool:
BobbyC
 
I realize that no two people will feel the same about a cue, but if a certain cue is a three in my hands, it will still be a three in your hands. No matter what you call the number corresponding to how it hits, the number remains the same. No matter how you see the color yellow, it is still yellow to everyone. Your brain may pick yellow up in a different way than mine, be it you think yellow is a sharp color whereas I think it is a dull color, we both call it yellow. Once someone finds the perfect number for them, they can continue to buy playing cues at or near their number.
 
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