Cuemakers......REAL...or.....PHONY ?

tikkler said:
I guess you know all this for a fact. I guess you have seen them all working these machines. I guess you have been in each shop and watched them working...............I would guess NOT....Steve
I went to Judd's place several times when they lived here.
I saw Trudy do her thing on the Gorton panto.
Saw Judd hand fit the silver inlays on the Dream Catcher cue.
 
I don't think a dishonest person will risk losing business by being honest. Dishonesty exists everywhere.

I'm not saying dishonesty is ok but merely stating that its a part of life... not just in the cue making business ... Lots of dishonest millionaires right?

Will I buy it? Haha. Maybe I'm the gullible one!
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Gus is dead and did not agree to it. He stole Gus's design. Had a cnc genius caliper the cue, write programs for it. Presto, a copy with a nice story.

Do you know how many people work in someone's shop when you order a cue?
Which maker/s "quit" after their help left? Yet his cues are still considered art.
Did Picasso have workers?

This is a can of worms. Face it, what matters now is the end-product.
Not how the product got there.
And the wallhanger buyers are kinda funny to me. I've seen $2K plus cues here whose shafts made me laugh. But, people don't really pay attention to that.

Those makers who buy pre-made blanks and claim they made should be scolded imo.



Sad, but true...........
 
yes

That is the key....a dishonest guy is gonna keep up the act and show you things to make you think he is something else. Those guys IMHO dont deserve customers, or any praise whatsoever
Steve
 
monski said:
I don't think a dishonest person will risk losing business by being honest. Dishonesty exists everywhere.

I'm not saying dishonesty is ok but merely stating that its a part of life... not just in the cue making business ... Lots of dishonest millionaires right?

Education is the key, if you are going to buy something and you are unsure about the items value, it is wise to research it and the person who made it. Credibility is something that must be earned and people who are not honest or credible will get caught in time. Those who do not do the proper research and ask the right questions long term will have some problems during resale. This is the nature of the beast, and there has never been an easier time in the history of our planet to do research on any subject!!!! A fool and their money is going to part, fact of life!!!!
 
One of the few cuemakers who makes everything is Tommy Migliore besides the rubber bumper.He knows every part of what goes into his cue because he builds the parts and also the pins which alot of cuemakers out there are using because of the quality control of it,its not some mass produced junk,its precision since Tommy was a machinist.If you get a chance to play with a Tommy cue do it,you will be astounded by the playability and also the quality of the work.To me he is the definition of a true cue builder.
 
Fast Lenny said:
One of the few cuemakers who makes everything is Tommy Migliore besides the rubber bumper.He knows every part of what goes into his cue because he builds the parts and also the pins which alot of cuemakers out there are using because of the quality control of it,its not some mass produced junk,its precision since Tommy was a machinist.If you get a chance to play with a Tommy cue do it,you will be astounded by the playability and also the quality of the work.To me he is the definition of a true cue builder.
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hey

If we took ten guys off of this forum and asked them who the ten best custom cuemakers were, I am saying that out of every guys list of ten, your gonna find at least one or more are buying lottsa parts and putting their name on them. You will be shocked....Steve
 
What about the ones that have someone else do the wraps, or finish? Quite a few do exactly that, but does that mean their less than a cuemaker? Or their cues should be worth less money, even though the finish or wrap maybe excellent?
 
easy

are they telling you what they are doing....if so its fine by me, they are honest and upfront. If they are telling you its all their work, would you be happy to find out it wasnt????...Steve
 
tikkler said:
If we took ten guys off of this forum and asked them who the ten best custom cuemakers were, I am saying that out of every guys list of ten, your gonna find at least one or more are buying lottsa parts and putting their name on them. You will be shocked....Steve

I think I can list more than 10 who are not buying their parts. Now that may make me the exception by your standards but, it all comes down to knowing what your business is. This is my business, and I will not deal with some one I am not sure about. Now Steve that is just me, but all I am saying is the knowledge is there, the biggest problem is that many people are to lazy to look for it in the first place. But, I do agree that there are many who are deceiving the public, there are people on this forum who are being vague to out and out lying about what they do. But, everything has a way of catching up with you in the long run, it is only a matter of time Steve.
 
Searing, Shick, Haley, Tascarella, Gina, Barry S. , SW, DPK, Manzino, Tad and Stroud.
 
tikkler said:
Craig....okay lets try it with you. Pick your ten guys...Steve

Abe Rich

Billy Webb

Ron Haley

Bill Schick

Ernie G ( Genacue)

Pete Tascarella

Dennis Searing

Jerry Price

Tim Scruggs

Joel hercek

How is that, I know of more!!!
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Searing, Shick, Haley, Tascarella, Gina, Barry S. , SW, DPK, Manzino, Tad and Stroud.


Okay, first man up. I say at least one of those is a parts builder

NEXT.................Steve
 
tikkler said:
I guess you know all this for a fact. I guess you have seen them all working these machines. I guess you have been in each shop and watched them working...............I would guess NOT....Steve

For the most part about 98 percent anyway I would agree because in being allowed in a cue makers shop is a huge responsibility and liability at the same time, I use to allow everyone in and then a couple of real ass holes, no other way to say it, thought it would be fun to turn machines on, especially if there covered to keep a little dust off them, Joiner, table saws, band saws and then got upset when I threw them out, banned for life because their just stupid, another person saw nothing wrong with stopping the cue with his hand while it was being cut, WHY, because he wanted to see it, Now, no machines will run when people are there, If I'm fixing their cue, they have to sit, if they get up, the machine goes off, if they get up twice, their out. Why do I want to risk losing a finger, screwing up a repair or get a law suit. This does not apply to everyone but it does apply to most. Of all my customers only about 10 are allowed in while I work, most of them are members here, they can come check the status of their order or their friends order or just to hang out, I don't care, I trust them so I might even put them to work, I had one of my friends cutting ivory inlays, that was funny, I had another help glue veneers, but again they have earned my trust and most important, their not stupid. I like making everything myself and for the most part I'm a real bastard when it comes to my work, if you know anything about cues, every mans work has something that makes it his, not to hard to see. Want to own a business and pay insurance, How many people do you want there that could possibly sue you because they want a vacation and free money. This ladies and gentlemen is the real world.
 
manwon said:
Education is the key, if you are going to buy something and you are unsure about the items value, it is wise to research it and the person who made it. Credibility is something that must be earned and people who are not honest or credible will get caught in time. Those who do not do the proper research and ask the right questions long term will have some problems during resale. This is the nature of the beast, and there has never been an easier time in the history of our planet to do research on any subject!!!! A fool and their money is going to part, fact of life!!!!
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lots of foolish buyers too... right! If you let them, they will take your money!
 
number 2

manwon said:
Abe Rich

Billy Webb

Ron Haley

Bill Schick

Ernie G ( Genacue)

Pete Tascarella

Dennis Searing

Jerry Price

Tim Scruggs

Joel hercek

How is that, I know of more!!!

okay number 2 to try. I say again at least one is a parts buyer and put em together guy....
NEXT....Steve
 
monski said:
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lots of foolish buyers too... right!

I totally agree, and I think it is a shame, because anyone can be an informed buy if they want to do the research.
 
tikkler said:
okay number 2 to try. I say again at least one is a parts buyer and put em together guy....
NEXT....Steve

Who steve, if would like please send a PM. But I do not think you are even familiar with all the names and that was my intention. However, I will say this everyone listed is building cues.
 
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