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Dan White

Dan White

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The 11 is a straight shot into the side. Do you try to preserve the 11 for a nice break ball, or shoot it and settle for the 12, which isn't so great and has a pretty narrow position zone? Is the tricky shot on the 7 in the side worth the risk in order to keep the 11. Or, do you do something completely different?

Thanks.
 
I shoot the 11 because there is no good key ball for it anyway. I would go 11, 2, 7 and if I don't get perfect on the 1 to slide up for the 12 I would leave the cue ball in the rack and take the break shot from the kitchen. I would only take a risky shot to preserve the breakball if it led to a nice end pattern with a good key ball.
 
Why do you say that the 7 is tricky to the side? It is almost identical to the 11.Distance from cue-ball to object ball is only slighter greater-distance of object ball to pocket is nearly identical.
The 7 may provide slightly more difficult to control the cue-ball on but due to a slightly greater angle,more cue-ball path options are available!
This only my 2cents if someone can point out why the 7 is tricky please
clue me in! thanks,Jack
 
Like always...i love Bill s comments.

i would go like this (if i saw the angles correctly).
Little draw-shot on 11 for position on the 7
Then shoot the 7 with little follow to *Position B*. I would prefer it, because i love to use *natural rolling*- from position B i shoot the 1 just with natural *follow* to place the CB in the middle of the table to have a great breakshot on the 12.
Hope the cuetable layout is not too confusing^^

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Ratta said:
Like always...i love Bill s comments.

i would go like this (if i saw the angles correctly).
Little draw-shot on 11 for position on the 7
Then shoot the 7 with little follow to *Position B*. I would prefer it, because i love to use *natural rolling*- from position B i shoot the 1 just with natural *follow* to place the CB in the middle of the table to have a great breakshot on the 12.
Hope the cuetable layout is not too confusing^^

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I think you forgot the 2 over there hiding on the side.:D

I pretty much like Bill's solution, once you have decided to use the 12. I think you should get to the 2 quickly and following the 11 is the best way to do it. The 7,1,12 is a good end pattern. The 2 to 7 is just a little tricky. If you screw up and get too straight on the 2, you can always follow down for the 1 in the side and use the 7 as a key ball.
 
Rofl................

i really didn t see the 2, lololol- *crouch*
ouch^^

But, AFTER i now SEE that there is the 2 *grin*, i would still play like i shown up- just now i would let the cueball play a bit harder. It s a tough pattern with this layout- but imo with the position on the 1 it shouldn t be that big problem to get position for the 2- and then getting position for the breakball.

thx for slappin me ^^

lg
Ingo
 
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alphadog said:
Why do you say that the 7 is tricky to the side? It is almost identical to the 11.Distance from cue-ball to object ball is only slighter greater-distance of object ball to pocket is nearly identical.
The 7 may provide slightly more difficult to control the cue-ball on but due to a slightly greater angle,more cue-ball path options are available!
This only my 2cents if someone can point out why the 7 is tricky please
clue me in! thanks,Jack
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Where do you go with the cue ball after you shoot the 7, how do you finish your pattern to get position on the 11 that you saved?
 
My point was not save the 11.
I only questioned why the 7 was tricky.I see many players,in all games,
pass on shots they feel are too difficult.When in reality the shot is not
physically demanding.
If I played the 7 -soft follow puts you on line to play the 1 next allowing
1rail,2rail,or draw to get on that 2.Maybe after pockting the 7 you like the
ngle to play the 11 next.
If I am on the 2 good ,I play for position on the the 12-to allow position
on the 11 as the break-ball.
I am not as strong of player as many on here -That is why I asked about
the 7.
Thank you for your time and any input you have,Jack
 
Marop said:
I would only take a risky shot to preserve the breakball if it led to a nice end pattern with a good key ball.
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That's the kind of perspective I was looking for. I tend to undervalue good key balls. I can usually come across the table and get decent break ball position, but maybe not as well or as high as a % as I'd like to remember. I posted this situation because I was at odds whether to shoot the 7, which made me uncomfortable - you know the kind of shot I mean, in order to save the 11 (I'm a lefty, to boot). Your solution was to go with the sure runout and take the lesser break shot rather than take a good break ball with no real key ball.

For the record, I shot the 7 and missed. But then it was an uncomfortable shot so I should have known I was going to miss anyway. :p
 
How about this one just for the sake of something different.

Play the 11, follow and softly bump the 7 up 6" to a foot,which stops the CB. Play the 1, then the 7 in the top side going one rail to the head rail if needed or just slide over for the 2, and follow it to play the 12 in the upper side pocket.
 
3andstop said:
How about this one just for the sake of something different.

Play the 11, follow and softly bump the 7 up 6" to a foot,which stops the CB. Play the 1, then the 7 in the top side going one rail to the head rail if needed or just slide over for the 2, and follow it to play the 12 in the upper side pocket.
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That would be nice if it were there and that's all you had. The rail ball makes a fair key ball for the side pocket break, depending upon how you end up on it. I know you know it is quite common to blow your position when you meant to have position to pop out from the rail and you end up having to follow down and do the side pocket tango.

However, in this scenario, the 11 is straight in and I do not know how you can bump it using follow.
 
Dan White said:

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The 11 is a straight shot into the side. Do you try to preserve the 11 for a nice break ball, or shoot it and settle for the 12, which isn't so great and has a pretty narrow position zone? Is the tricky shot on the 7 in the side worth the risk in order to keep the 11. Or, do you do something completely different?

Thanks.
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I guess I is confused because the seven doesn't look so tough to me. I'm thinking I let the CB float up table a bit for the one or draw it to the rail for the one. The end pattern is there if you use the twelve for your key ball and the two as your 13th ball. Schmidt plays that key ball pattern all the time.

Lou Figueroa
 
Shoot the 7

If your set on using the 11 to break the balls, go for it. A slightly above center hit on the cue ball when making the 7 at pocket speed or a little more, looks like the cue ball will then come back down towards the L in the word pool. Then just stroke the 1 in with a high firm hit, maybe a touch of running, and the cue ball will go one, two, three rails heading straight for the 2. Where you have easy po for the 12 to get on the 11. Two little stroke shots and your there.
Not a bad way to go!!
 
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