Curious on people thoughts as to a recent AZ experience.

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ArtT

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Ok, I am still new to this site, and am curious what people think of this recent experience I had. I am leaving all names out, but would like to know if this seems wrong to other people too or is it me? I thought I had a deal with someone, even agreed to the price they named, then poof! It was gone. Here is the details if anyone is interested and would like to comment.

I had mentioned something in a thread and got a private message on Friday from someone that read like this:

Hi, I saw where you wished you had -------------.. I have a new one I will sell for $50 paid via PayPal and you pay the USPS shipping . Let me know.
Thanks,
(deleted)

I replied the that same day:

Sounds good to me. My only question is can you wait until around this time next week? I just paid a bunch of bills and get paid again next thursday, so I can put some of that money in my account that is linked to Paypal (I usually only keep like $10 in my paypal account). Let me know if that is ok. Thanks.

Again, same day, I got this reply:

Yes, next week is fine...let me know when you put the $50 in PayPal and I'll ship it out then. (left out paypal details)
I'll need your mailing address for shipment.
My Paypal account is my e-mail address:
(deleted by me for this post)

Here is the kicker. I got this message 2 days later:
Hi,
I got your e-mail regarding the difficulty of getting the $$$ for payment until next Thursday. I had another customer that also requested --- and he went ahead and sent me $60 via Paypal, so the --- is sold.

I am sorry for the bad timing, $$$ and delay, but since I have $$$ in hand, the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush".

That really seems kind of lousy to me and it is not something I would have done.
What are people thoughts?
 
I think it is total crap. Once a sale has been agreed to then the person backing out deserves negative feedback IMO. A large portion of people feel like I do (the ones that would never do something like that). A large portion feel like it isn't a big deal (no doubt mostly the ones that would do it). There is another thread going on as well that discusses similar issues.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=361979
 
ArtT said:
Ok, I am still new to this site, and am curious what people think of this recent experience I had. I am leaving all names out, but would like to know if this seems wrong to other people too or is it me? I thought I had a deal with someone, even agreed to the price they named, then poof! It was gone. Here is the details if anyone is interested and would like to comment.

I had mentioned something in a thread and got a private message on Friday from someone that read like this:

Hi, I saw where you wished you had -------------.. I have a new one I will sell for $50 paid via PayPal and you pay the USPS shipping . Let me know.
Thanks,
(deleted)

I replied the that same day:

Sounds good to me. My only question is can you wait until around this time next week? I just paid a bunch of bills and get paid again next thursday, so I can put some of that money in my account that is linked to Paypal (I usually only keep like $10 in my paypal account). Let me know if that is ok. Thanks.

Again, same day, I got this reply:

Yes, next week is fine...let me know when you put the $50 in PayPal and I'll ship it out then. (left out paypal details)
I'll need your mailing address for shipment.
My Paypal account is my e-mail address:
(deleted by me for this post)

Here is the kicker. I got this message 2 days later:
Hi,
I got your e-mail regarding the difficulty of getting the $$$ for payment until next Thursday. I had another customer that also requested --- and he went ahead and sent me $60 via Paypal, so the --- is sold.

I am sorry for the bad timing, $$$ and delay, but since I have $$$ in hand, the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush".

That really seems kind of lousy to me and it is not something I would have done.
What are people thoughts?
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It is actually more common for someone to say they want to buy something and you hold it for them only to never hear from them again. Until you pay, nothing is certain. He has a buyer and if the guy has the money it is normal to make the sale. It is worse to lose a sale waiting for someone who doesn't come through. First come first serve is usually the universal policy. Don't take it personal
 
ArtT said:
Ok, I am still new to this site, and am curious what people think of this recent experience I had. I am leaving all names out, but would like to know if this seems wrong to other people too or is it me? I thought I had a deal with someone, even agreed to the price they named, then poof! It was gone. Here is the details if anyone is interested and would like to comment.

I had mentioned something in a thread and got a private message on Friday from someone that read like this:

Hi, I saw where you wished you had -------------.. I have a new one I will sell for $50 paid via PayPal and you pay the USPS shipping . Let me know.
Thanks,
(deleted)

I replied the that same day:

Sounds good to me. My only question is can you wait until around this time next week? I just paid a bunch of bills and get paid again next thursday, so I can put some of that money in my account that is linked to Paypal (I usually only keep like $10 in my paypal account). Let me know if that is ok. Thanks.

Again, same day, I got this reply:

Yes, next week is fine...let me know when you put the $50 in PayPal and I'll ship it out then. (left out paypal details)
I'll need your mailing address for shipment.
My Paypal account is my e-mail address:
(deleted by me for this post)

Here is the kicker. I got this message 2 days later:
Hi,
I got your e-mail regarding the difficulty of getting the $$$ for payment until next Thursday. I had another customer that also requested --- and he went ahead and sent me $60 via Paypal, so the --- is sold.

I am sorry for the bad timing, $$$ and delay, but since I have $$$ in hand, the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush".

That really seems kind of lousy to me and it is not something I would have done.
What are people thoughts?
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If you paid him some deposit that holds him to the deal. He did also reply to tell you that it is sold . It is first come first serve to first buyer who pays the cash. From his end, he also gets lots of emails and PM from potential buyers who do not pay up so he sells to fire person who pays. This is not uncommon in online buy and sell. Look for another seller , I am sure you can find same or better deal somewhere. Good luck. :)
 
it depends on how it was worded . if he said he would hold it till next week that is the deal and his word.
otherwise cash talks.
 
macguy said:
First come first serve is usually the universal policy. Don't take it personal
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First come first serve is the policy if it was stated that was the policy. In this case that wasn't the agreed upon policy at all. The seller said he would be willing to wait until x date for the payment with the clear insinuation that the item was on hold for the buyer. He didn't honor the agreement. He deserves negative feedback.

Now if he had said sure you can pay next week but if somebody offers me money before then I am going to sell it then that is a whole different ball game and there would be no complaint.
 
maha said:
it depends on how it was worded . if he said he would hold it till next week that is the deal and his word.
otherwise cash talks.
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The buyer asking if he can pay next week is asking if it will be held. Why else would he ask if he can pay next week? Of course he can pay any time he wants to if the item is still there, he wouldn't need to ask that. He was asking if it would be held. The seller knew exactly what he was asking and said yes. Then the seller didn't follow through.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
First come first serve is the policy if it was stated that was the policy. In this case that wasn't the agreed upon policy at all. The seller said he would be willing to wait until x date for the payment with the clear insinuation that the item was on hold for the buyer. He didn't honor the agreement. He deserves negative feedback.

Now if he had said sure you can pay next week but if somebody offers me money before then I am going to sell it then that is a whole different ball game and there would be no complaint.
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I completely agree with his statement. He said he would hold it until X date and he should have stuck to his word.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
First come first serve is the policy if it was stated that was the policy. In this case that wasn't the agreed upon policy at all. The seller said he would be willing to wait until x date for the payment with the clear insinuation that the item was on hold for the buyer. He didn't honor the agreement. He deserves negative feedback.

Now if he had said sure you can pay next week but if somebody offers me money before then I am going to sell it then that is a whole different ball game and there would be no complaint.
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There is nothing to confirm the deal. There needs to be a deposit to hold it for him. Suppose next week the guy just says he changed his mind or bought another one locally. What recourse does the seller have? None he is just a dupe. Without a deposit the buyer has no real expectation of a completed deal till he pays.

I understand what you are saying but it is a one sided deal the way it was done. As soon as you hear I want it but can't pay till next week there is already a red flag that this deal may never happen.

I recently bought a band saw at a garage sale. It is like 8 am and I am just going out to fill the truck up with gas and get a soda when I see the garage sale. I don't have a cent on me. I tell the guy I want the saw and will go home and get the money. He says no problem but I take a tool box out of the back of the truck and leave it with him as a deposit.

He would be an idiot if after I left someone come up and offers him the $100 and he says "I am sorry it is sold to some guy who I have never seen before says he is going home to get the money".

I would not even put him in that situation, that is why I gave him a tool box for a deposit. The days of business by handshake are over.

I admit it sounds like the seller didn't deal very fairly but again, without a deposit don't be shocked if when you go back the item is sold.
 
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ArtT said:
I am sorry for the bad timing, $$$ and delay, but since I have $$$ in hand, the old saying, "a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush".

That really seems kind of lousy to me and it is not something I would have done.
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He couldn't get the old saying right either.
 
macguy said:
There is nothing to confirm the deal. There needs to be a deposit to hold it for him. Suppose next week the guy just says he changed his mind or bought another one locally. What recourse does the seller have? None he is just a dupe. Without a deposit the buyer has no real expectation of a completed deal till he pays.

I understand what you are saying but it is a one sided deal the way it was done. As soon as you hear I want it but can't pay till next week there is already a red flag that this deal may never happen.

I recently bought a band saw at a garage sale. It is like 8 am and I am just going out to fill the truck up with gas and get a soda when I see the garage sale. I don't have a cent on me. I tell the guy I want the saw and will go home and get the money. He says no problem but I take a tool box out of the back of the truck and leave it with him as a deposit.

He would be an idiot if after I left someone come up and offers him the $100 and he says "I am sorry it is sold to some guy who I have never seen before says he is going home to get the money".

I would not even put him in that situation, that is why I gave him a tool box for a deposit. The days of business by handshake are over.

I admit it sounds like the seller didn't deal very fairly but again, without a deposit don't be shocked if when you go back the item is sold.
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I know how people can be about money. It's like a contingency. If I agree to hold something for a week or 30 days, I'm going to do it. Just because there is a possibility that the buyer will back out, if I agree to hold it, that's my problem because I accepted that possibility. It's the risk of accepting a future event.

There is no certainty until I am paid, the buyer receives it, and they have satisfactorily received and accepted the item.

In fact, I am now in that position and holding a $1000 cue for someone. I'm fine with it. There is no way I would sell it unless he said "I'm sorry I can't do it".

Ps. I'm not going to argue with you since it looks like you have a match grade .45 and a lot of ammo.
 
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macguy said:
There needs to be a deposit to hold it for him.
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Only if that is what they agreed to. If the seller wanted or needed a deposit he would have asked for it. He agreed to hold the item with no deposit.

macguy said:
Suppose next week the guy just says he changed his mind or bought another one locally.
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Then he would be the POS deserving the negative feedback instead.
 
Bottom line is this, most people on here are fair to deal with and transactions go smoothly. But there are times when stuff like this happens, or worse and somebody gets screwed over completely.
Years back a guy listed a nice cue that I wanted, I sent him a message saying Ill take it and asking for his paypal. He sends it to me, I send him payment. It was around 1200-1300 if memory serves. Couple days go by no response, I start getting concerned. Someone else posted in the for sale thread to buy the cue, and he replies to that person that he sold the cue that day locally. At that point I start going through my mental rolodex of who I know that lives in his area that I can get to collect my money. I finally get him to respond about a week later, and he almost reluctantly refunds my money right before I make a phone call. I got lucky.
Be careful who you deal with, especially who you buy from.
Chuck
 
I dunno, should one wait for a probably, if a definite is available?

He shoulda said 'if it is still available', but I am inclined to agree withthe money talks theory.

Maybe you dodged a bullet anyway, wh knows? I thin that if a deal comes up once, it will come up again, fuggit.
 
TATE said:
I know how people can be about money. It's like a contingency. If I agree to hold something for a week or 30 days, I'm going to do it. Just because there is a possibility that the buyer will back out, if I agree to hold it, that's my problem because I accepted that possibility. It's the risk of accepting a future event.

There is no certainty until I am paid, the buyer receives it, and they have satisfactorily received and accepted the item.

In fact, I am now in that position and holding a $1000 cue for someone. I'm fine with it. There is no way I would sell it unless he said "I'm sorry I can't do it".

Ps. I'm not going to argue with you since it looks like you have a match grade .45 and a lot of ammo.
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I completely agree with you and if I say I will do something I will. But I would not be very surprised if someone as happened in this instance didn't keep their word under those circumstances. The ethics of it are in a grey area and you could argue either side.

By the way, thats not my gun in the picture. I have one like it but I saw that picture on the net and I thought it was composed nicely. I like the 45 but the gun I carry mostly if I do is a 44 special.
 
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Black-Balled said:
I dunno, should one wait for a probably, if a definite is available?
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Yes, if that is what you agreed to do. And in this case that is what he agreed to do. If you don't want to take that chance as a seller to hold an item until a specific date, then nobody is forcing you to agree to it. But if you do agree to hold an item, you have to follow through.

Black-Balled said:
He shoulda said 'if it is still available', but...
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There is no but. If you don't want to hold the item for x period of time, then don't agree to it. Period. End of story. If you do agree to hold the item for x period of days, then you need to follow through and honor it. It really couldn't get any more simple and clear.
 
Well is seems to me you did not lose any money and you found out the other guy does not keep his word. Never do business with anyone you don't trust and put the seller on your list of AZ members to not do business with..
 
macguy said:
By the way, thats not my gun in the picture. I have one like it but I saw that picture on the net and I thought it was composed nicely. I like the 45 but the gun I carry mostly if I do is a 44 special.
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.44 special, now that's a gun! That is also new-old school, S and W I presume.
 
Thanks for all the input. In some ways almost all of you have agreed with what I was thinking. I understand that I didn't leave a deposit, and that people ask to buy stuff and then don't, but I didn't even originally do that. The buyer came to me unsolicited. So my response was basically, "yes, if you can agree to one condition" (waiting one week). The buyer did, then sold it out on me. So IMHO they broke their word and the deal. Indeed they may well have done me a favor and I certainly won't deal with them in the future.

I guess my real question should have been, whether or not I should leave them a bad rating, or just chalk it up as a missed opportunity? I mean, after all, it didn't cost me anything either.
 
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