Custom Cue Mythology

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There's nothing special about custom cues when it comes to playability.

It's all in people's head. There are materials, and then there is the application and design using those materials. There's no real scientific basis for why someone's custom brand "plays better"...assuming that refers to performance of the cue.

Custom cue makers are not implementing any kind of unique or special technology in construction/design that improves playability. Nor are they using special materials that do so.

What they use isn't much different than what is used in production cues. One difference is custom cue makers can source very high end premium cuts of wood. This only equates to a difference in aesthetic quality. That's about it.

I used to drink the custom cue kool aid, but not any longer. They aren't (from a playability standpoint) any better than a quality mass produced cue. But in some cases worse than production shafts.

That said, what constitutes good playability has nothing to do with the origin or brand of the cue. It all has to do with consistency and a few other criteria. There are many custom cue shafts that aren't consistent.

People who think their custom cue plays better than decent quality production cue suffer from Excalibur Syndrome. Because it was made by the hands of some cue maker they worship in some little shop some where, and because there's hype the cue is great - doesn't mean it makes you make balls. Don't believe me? Then hand your magic custom cue to some APA SL3 and they'll show you how great it plays.

When you put a new cue in your hands and then play great initially with it, you're experiencing what is known as the Placebo Effect. You think the cue is making you play better when it's really all in your head.

However, this effect predictably and eventually wears off. At which point the individual searches out the next great magic cue that will take them to the next level. Hence, the never ending search for the Excalibur cue that will make their game great.

A step toward improving one's game is to unsubscribe from such equipment based thinking and focus on the true source of one's game - themselves. That whole line of thinking is a major burden to carry around in your development as a player. It's unnecessary and harmful baggage.
 
OK Mr. Dreamkiller.....are you telling me I wasted the $699 extra I paid for the guaranteed "Don't Miss Option" for my $1500 custom, specially designed, low deflection, high profile maker cue was a waste of money!!! Geez, I hope my wife doesn't see this....I'll get a big fat I told you so!
 
This sums up exactally how I feel about custom cues!

In saying that, I would love to have a $10,000 custom hanging on my wall for display for all to see and marvel at its beauty.

But when it comes down to playing with a quality cue, I am thrilled to have my $800 Mcdermott in my bag.
 
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Shssssssss, some words should never be spoken. The pool gods may hear you. You will never recieve salvation from mediocer cues now!

Praise the custom cue maker. Only through them will you find salvation!

Larry
 
easy there buddy

you must be talking about crappy cue makers, not custom cue makers. A good cue maker must be an artisan, technician, and sometimes magician. Your generalized statements show that you have alot to learn about how much engineering and thought/work go into a well made pool cue. Most productions dont even roll straight on the rail right out the box, roll it on the flat bed and it looks great, roll it on the rail and the tips drawing circles in thin air.

that doesn't mean a great cue costs 2k either.
 
This is almost laughable. As I've said in two previous threads, if I could find a production cue that played like any of my custom cues I've had over the years, I'd buy it and play with it! If you don't care for custom cues, so be it. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!
Also, again for the record, I've never bought a cue based on the cue maker or the hype surrounding it. I buy purely on playability alone. And that includes the two Southwests I've owned, a Joss, Scruggs, Murray Tucker, Andy Gilbert, Gulyassy, Dishaw, and any I may have left out.
 
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I agree with you Bola, there is no magic in a cue be it custom or production.
There is, however, uniqueness in the custom cue, and that I believe is what makes it special for it's owner. There may be thousands of cues similar to it, but none quite like it.
 
This is almost laughable. As I've said in two previous threads, if I could find a production cue that played like any of my custom cues I've had over the years, I'd buy it and play with it! If you don't care for custom cues, so be it. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!
Also, again for the record, I've never bought a cue based on the cue maker or the hype surrounding it. I buy purely on playability alone. And that includes the two Southwests I've owned, a Joss, Scruggs, Murray Tucker, Andy Gilbert, Gulyassy, Dishaw, and any I may have left out.


If you don't care for production cues, so be it. Frankly, my Dear, we don't give a damn!
 
you must be talking about crappy cue makers, not custom cue makers. A good cue maker must be an artisan, technician, and sometimes magician. Your generalized statements show that you have alot to learn about how much engineering and thought/work go into a well made pool cue.

There are plenty of production cues made just as well. It's no special engineering to thread various wood or plastic parts together and use different kinds of glues or epoxies.

However, be clear on one thing - I was discussing playability. You're shifting what I said away from playability into perhaps some focus on durability.

But even then, quality production cues are plenty durable. Just like a custom, with proper care they will last decades.

Most productions dont even roll straight on the rail right out the box, roll it on the flat bed and it looks great, roll it on the rail and the tips drawing circles in thin air.

that doesn't mean a great cue costs 2k either.


Actually, quite a few customs don't roll straight either using that method. That adds insult and injury when someone paid big bucks on their high dollar custom to find out it's not straight. The look on their face is priceless.

Instead of rolling it on the rail, since rails are not straight, it's better to roll it on a special block set up with rollers specifically for this purpose. Oh but wait, I obviously have a lot to learn right? :rolleyes:
 
I agree with you Bola, there is no magic in a cue be it custom or production.
There is, however, uniqueness in the custom cue, and that I believe is what makes it special for it's owner. There may be thousands of cues similar to it, but none quite like it.


For the record, I'm not discussing collectability, uniqueness, beauty etc.

Without question, customs are king in that regard. After all, what the hell does custom mean right?

No doubt customs are prettier. Usually have better wood, buffed finishes, polished rings, sharply cut points and inlays etcetera. Points that are even. Collar patterns that match and line up when the shaft is screwed on. Seamless animal skin wraps. Indexing of wood grain for ideal effect. It goes on and on.

I know all about this stuff. I used to be into customs.

I'm talking playability/performance. In that regard, they're not a damn bit better.
 
OK Mr. Dreamkiller.....are you telling me I wasted the $699 extra I paid for the guaranteed "Don't Miss Option" for my $1500 custom, specially designed, low deflection, high profile maker cue was a waste of money!!! Geez, I hope my wife doesn't see this....I'll get a big fat I told you so!

:rotflmao::rotflmao:


That's funny stuff. Now I feel like I told a bunch of kids Santa Claus isn't real.
 
There are plenty of production cues made just as well. It's no special engineering to thread various wood or plastic parts together and use different kinds of glues or epoxies.

However, be clear on one thing - I was discussing playability. You're shifting what I said away from playability into perhaps some focus on durability. Was not even on my mind

But even then, quality production cues are plenty durable. Just like a custom, with proper care they will last decades. Yes some sure as hell are, I'm a big fan of Paul Hueblers work.




Actually, quite a few customs don't roll straight either using that method. That adds insult and injury when someone paid big bucks on their high dollar custom to find out it's not straight. The look on their face is priceless.

Instead of rolling it on the rail, since rails are not straight, it's better to roll it on a special block set up with rollers specifically for this purpose (or a lathe maybe,lol) . Oh but wait, I obviously have a lot to learn right? :rolleyes:

yes you do, your generalizing cue makers all in a pile. I wasn't even talking about durability, i was talking about Playability. You must have been burned by some snake oil cue makers. I'll bite and say that I'd rather most productions over some grab ass run of the mill joker with a lathe built cue.
 
Instead of rolling it on the rail, since rails are not straight, it's better to roll it on a special block set up with rollers specifically for this purpose. Oh but wait, I obviously have a lot to learn right? :rolleyes:

Who clued him in about "The Special Block Set with Rollers"? Now he has nothing left to learn :eek:...

Steve
Life Member of the International
Custom Cue Koolaid Club
 
I don't own a custom cue (just wanted to get that out of the way). I feel that what makes a custom cue play better to someone vs a production cue was the custom cue was designed to the specs they asked for (balance point, butt weight, shaft weight etc) so it feels more comfortable to them. It's all about feel! So to say a custom cue is no better then a production cue is sorta miss-leading because it may be better to the person who had it designed to exactly what they wanted, but your right that there is no magic or technology that makes them play better. I've seen guys walk in off the street and run rack after rack in straight pool with a crooked house cue. I see custom cues as better quality wise (custom specs, exotic woods, better cuts/grain of wood, exotic wraps, custom pin sizes, balance points, shaft dia, tapper size etc etc) I've done some woodworking before and it's a beautiful thing to see a finished product from a master craftsman.

I am an APA SL4, if I play with my $500 OB cue or a $3,000 Scruggs I'm making the same amount of balls. I'd LOVE to own the Scruggs, but I can't afford it so I am happy with my OB cue. Bottom line is there are some great production cues and some great custom cues and it all comes down to what you prefer to shoot with.
 
yes you do, your generalizing cue makers all in a pile. I wasn't even talking about durability, i was talking about Playability. You must have been burned by some snake oil cue makers. I'll bite and say that I'd rather most productions over some grab ass run of the mill joker with a lathe built cue.


OK, then explain to me what is it that the good cue makers are doing in the materials and construction of their cues that makes them play and perform better than a production cue?

Whatever it is that is allegedly creating this superior playability must be recognizable and quantifiable in either methods or materials. Otherwise, we're talking superstition here.
 
Yeah yeah, if your fundamentals and knowledge is correct, you should be able to play with anything.

BUT....

I think you are wrong. I do not want or need to know the scientific reasons behind the fact that I don't just THINK I can feel a difference between a production vs. a custom cue, I KNOW I can.

Maybe it is the materials, the time spent on the cue, the way it was made, who knows.

All I can say for sure is the vast majority of quality custom cues play better than the vast majority of production cues. There are a few exceptions, but that is the way it is most of the time IMO.

And by the way, you were getting into the fact that you were not talking about durability. Yeah, who cares about that anyways? As long as the cue hits perfectly for a night or two, I won't give a sh*t if it falls apart. I mean, who needs their cue to last a long time anyways?:rolleyes:
 
There's nothing special about custom cues when it comes to playability.
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. Don't believe me? Then hand your magic custom cue to some APA SL3 and they'll show you how great it plays.

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The same thing can probably be said for a Predator, OB1, G core etc Shaft.
They aren't going to turn you into a world beater by just replacing your shaft.
As people have long said. It is the Indian not the arrow.
 
Dark have my dreams been of late

UH OH I feel a storm coming...better head for the cellar.
 
Does any of you people know what a 'slippery slope' is?
I'm heading for the storm cellar with Chi2. :grin:
 
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