Custom Cues: What's Hot, What's Not

[Bamacues]

What constitutes "hot" anyways? Is it the number of cues (custom only) that we can sell in our particular market? Is it the collectability of the cue? Is it the legendary status of the cuemaker? Is it the apparent rise (awaiting a fall?) of a hot, new cuemaker?
When a living maker's no points cues sell for over a grand FAST AND EASY, I say he's hot.
My 2 cents.

Very true, Joey, but only in a particular market area, IMO. I would play heck trying to get an easy $1000 out of anyone's "simple" cue in my particular market area....that is not to say a collector would not pick it up from my website or here if I made it available, but to my everyday customers, it would be a hard sell.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Very true, Joey, but only in a particular market area, IMO. I would play heck trying to get an easy $1000 out of anyone's "simple" cue in my particular market area....that is not to say a collector would not pick it up from my website or here if I made it available, but to my everyday customers, it would be a hard sell.

http://www.indyq.com/custom/prewitt/index.html
If you had those in your site, they'd still fly.

 

[jazznpool]

Shorty sorry to heat you caught high hell from Blud and Drivelmaker.

Martin


Just my observations of the cue market over the last few months....no flames needed.

Shorty[/QUOTE]

 

[buddha162]

You're kidding right?

I think you've been watching too much Judge Judy.

Judge Judy would laugh her ass off.

Unless there's a law against fraying fragile egos, I think you're off the hook on this one Shorty.

-Roger (retardest thing I've heard in a long time)

 

[StormHotRod300]

Even IF he wrote something like "in my opinion, XYZ Cues suck the big long green weenie of life. They play like wet noodles and look like elephant dung. they're not worth a nickle-two-fifty and you shouldn't even consider them buying one cause they're better suited for firewood..." It's STILL not slander. It's free speech.


that hasta be the funniest reply i have heard in a long time. And its true.

Slander, is when it hurts a persons reputation. IE putting up a billboard saying Joe Somebody is a drunk, or deadbeat dad, or rapist, for the whole world to see.

 

[Matt_24]

I'd say McDaniel's cues are pretty "hot". They were on someone's "un-hot" list...but as far as I know they're pretty sought after.

 

[NOSAJ03]

I think everyone is entitled to an opinion. Someone asked a question and shorty answered, just like everyone else. Just remember one mans trash is another mans treasure. You cant please everyone.

 

[Snapshot9]

It still is subjective ...

and only people's opinions shaped by their knowledge, interests,
and experience. It should be taken with a grain of salt.

Now, if we knew every cuemaker's work in progress and
backorders, and gross sales, it would have more significance.
There are a lot of nice looking expensive cues that I would not
have or even pay $500 for because of my personal preferences
in a cue, like how it is balanced and feels to me. I have a friend
that has a Southwest, and is tickled with it, but I did not really
care for it because I did not like the balance, and I wasn't hot
on the inlays either, although it is a $2,000 cue. But Southwest
has a long waiting time for their cues. Personally, I liked my
$1100 Shurtz cue much better.

On a final note, saying negative things about one's livihood can
be damaging, just like when people on here start calling each
other names simply because someone has a different opinion than
what you might share. This is an open forum, which means we should
all approach it with an open mind, recognizing other's opinions as
just that, and not be looking to just reinforce our own opinions
all the time. And in doing that, we should keep our good manners
in the forefront.

 

[Shorty]

Shorty sorry to heat you caught high hell from Blud and Drivelmaker.

Martin


Just my observations of the cue market over the last few months....no flames needed.

Shorty

[/QUOTE]

You notice I ain't lost any sleep over those two haven't ya?

And for the record, the reason I mentioned McDaniel as not being hot, I have several people try to contact him for a cue or cue work and he has been IMPOSSIBLE to reach. Not to mention Don Purdy was here trying to sell a 3200 dollar cue of his and I am still unsure if he even got 1500 for it...now thats SAD!

Shorty

 

[drivermaker]

You notice I ain't lost any sleep over those two haven't ya?

Shorty[/QUOTE]


NO...we don't know that. Maybe you have some big bags under your eyes this morning, who's gonna see or know.

Hey Shorty...I don't like your proposition that I shoot one handed against you since you're in a wheelchair and I "don't have the Gonads". I don't shoot one handed nor practice it. But here's what I'll do...I'll go to the hospital and get 3/4 or my brain removed and when I'm released to go home, I'll be in a wheelchair for a while just like you. That way we can play flame war games on an even level without any spot. You little prick. (ooops, I left out big mouth)

Btw, what happens in an isolated case of buy/sell between a seller and how much he can get at any time for a cue is none of your f*#king business, nor give you the right to be the NATIONAL ENQUIRER for the pool business.
You little prick.

 

[Bamacues]

http://www.indyq.com/custom/prewitt/index.html
If you had those in your site, they'd still fly.

You might be right, those are some sweet looking cues.....

 

[coastydad]

Hot or Not?

Personally, I really don't care what someone else thinks is "Hot" or not. I've had cues by Southwest, Cognoscenti, Black, Schuler, Wes Hunter, Kikel, Omega DPK, Scruggs, Schon, Szamboti (Gus), Dale Perry and probably several others that I can't remember right now. What I consider "Hot" is a cue that let's me move the cue ball the way I want to, is well constructed, finished well and is built by a cuemaker that not only makes a great cue but will work with the customer to build it the way the customer wants it. For these reasons and a couple of others that I won't go into here, I play with Skip Westons cues. I like the way his cues hit better than any that I've played with, his construction is flawless and he's a great guy to deal with. Although I've had some less than wonderful dealings with some of the top cuemakers, I prefer to keep them between myself and those cuemakers unless asked personally for my opinion.

 

[Guru]

ACTUALLY Blud you do have control......Shorty has slandered you and Quite possibly hurt your income and when he did that on a forum well known to many of the cu collectors in this country.....he made himself liable, for those comments.

All you would have to do is find someone willing to admit that they didnt buy your cue because of his comment and everyone one that you find that says that he would be liable for because he stopped your sale with an illegal comment wether meant that way or not.

My wifes cousin is a Head district attorney , and he said this same thing to me, and also I have seen other people sued on forums for the same thing.


If he has cost you a dozen sales and you can prove it then he would have to buy those cues. I know this is none of my buisness , but as a company owner ( construction ) I cant stand the way some people just do what they want no matter how much money they cost you.......they draw there check every week from their company as they work like drones, and never consider how a loss of 15-20 cues can change your whole yealy profit or loss . and Yes that makes me just as mad as you

And the defense against this type of junk is negated , because the law says willful ignorance or unaware ignorance is not a defense

You may want to think about this just for the fact of keeping the next moron from running his mouth agaisnt a man trying to earn a livin.......Its one thing to state a fact that a person has cheated them its another to just state a damaging opimiom.

ASK OPRAH IF SHE WILL EVER STATE THAT ABOUT BEEF AGAIN.......it cost her hundreds of thousands to defend that lawsuit , and if she wasnt Oprah she would have lost........and Shorty aint Oprah

Just what the world needs, more lawyering.

 

[JimBo]

Sorry to disappoint...but it ain't always about you, don't turn into Jimbo Jr. on me, Erik. My post and .50 will almost buy you a cup of coffee anywhere.

Shorty

This is twice now in the same day. I don't normally read the main forum so God knows how many I may have missed. I don't have any problem with you Shorty but you keep it up and I'll make it a point to put you on my list, trust me you won't enjoy it. Now grow some balls and stop deleting your posts and opinions.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

The same goes for cues. I have never heard of Murrel cues until this forum got blasted with threads about them. All of a sudden they got hot??? Why? The only reason I can think of is because of all the posts about them.

You are right on, they aren't hot, you can buy anyone you want on e-bay for very cheap. It;s the people who bought them cheap on e-bay who now don't like them and want to sell them who are saying they are hot. I'm not bad mouthing his cues, since I've never owned one, but the facts are the facts and no salesman will change that with continued Spam.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

IMHO Skip Weston's stock will definitely skyrocket when the 3rd edition of the Blue Book of Pool Cues is published. I think that when people can see the construction of his cues, finish and design work, that he will be inundated with work. His points are really the best in the business and the playability of his cues are second to none. Don't think that stainless steel joints are "out of vogue" but as someone in this thread said they are harder to do well. Skip does flawless stainless steel joints as well as flatfaced or piloted joints. If you like "old school" players type cues he is definitely the guy to see.

Nice ad. LOL

Jim

 

[JimBo]

Shorty,

I don't understand why you can sit there and say my cues are not hot.

Have you seen my order list? No, sir I don't think you have. It's privy to me and my son only.

After all some folks might be sucked in by your gossup.

I have about 40 cues in the works at this writting.


blud

LOL I told you Shorty, you're on the list, now you can't post any of your opinions LOL. I love this place. True he may not have any clue Blud, but leave the guy alone and let him post his opinions, they are just that, Opinions. If your list is what you say it is then I think business is good and shorty will have no ill effects.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

All you would have to do is find someone willing to admit that they didnt buy your cue because of his comment and everyone one that you find that says that he would be liable for because he stopped your sale with an illegal comment wether meant that way or not.

My wifes cousin is a Head district attorney , and he said this same thing to me, and also I have seen other people sued on forums for the same thing.

I would like to be the first to put my name on the list, I personally won't buy a cue from him now due to you and you're idiotic opinion. Shorty gave his opinion, something that was asked of him and something we do here every day. This is a forum used for information sharing and opinions, you can't cry everytime someone disagrees with your opinion or goes against someone you like. I have no clue where shorty gets his opinions from and some I don't agree with, but to say you want to sue him LOL you are a clown. It's official I will not buy cues from anyone you like, maybe they will sue you for it LOL.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

Puck, truer words have not been spoken on this thread, IMHO.

What constitutes "hot" anyways? Is it the number of cues (custom only) that we can sell in our particular market? Is it the collectability of the cue? Is it the legendary status of the cuemaker? Is it the apparent rise (awaiting a fall?) of a hot, new cuemaker?

Seriously, what is it that we are giving an opinion on at to "hot" cuemakers. I move a lot of cues, and yet have no experience with many of the cuemakers often referred to. Does that mean they are no good...absolutely not!! I just want to buy and sell those cues which I have a proven demand for in my market...to me, those are "hot"!!

I disagree 100% what is HOT is something that can be charted and proven. What Hot means is easy they are hard to get and when you do get them they are easy to get rid of for a profit. Southwest cues are hot. It takes 8 years to get one and the minute you do there is someone willing to pay you more then you paid for it. that is Hot, supply and demand. E-bay is a good reflection of hot, how many bids you get on an item, how many people view the item. Some cues you can't give away, some are hot, it'snot subjective at all.

Jim

 

[UGOTDA7]

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Wow that is real intelligent LOL I didnt say it was my opinion, I just stated the facts that an attorney gave me, I would think he knows the law and what is or isnt a liability.

But I am sure you are smarter about the law than a District attorney anyways , so maybe I should have checked with you instead of him

I'll tell you what. Why don't you print out this thread, take it to a lawyer's office and show it to any lawyer, point out the part you typed, and then get a real world lesson in the law as you are summarily laughed out of the lawyer's office.

First, what you stated about other cases is hearsay, not facts.

Second, this issue would be about libel, not slander (do yourself a favor and look up the definitions).

Third, a crucial element of slander/libel is falsehood (lie). Someone stating an opinion on whether a cue is hot or not is not a lie by any stretch of the imagination.

Fourth, another crucial element of slander/libel is that it defames a person's character/reputation. Shorty stating that Blud's cues are not hot is not defaming Blud's character/reputation. It is merely an opinion and sensible people see it as just that.

Bottom line - everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it freely as they see fit.