Cyclops vs brunswick & aramith

[Tony_in_MD]

Martin,

To get this thread back on track why do you consider Amarith Pro's to be the best?

To start, what I don't like about Cyclop balls are the translucent cueball, it just looks goofy. I also think they could have made the logo (diamond version) smaller. As I stated before, I think the cueball plays a little light, but on the positive side, the balls stay cleaner, and don't pick up the black marks from the diamond table as I have seen with other ball sets.

Now the balls I like the best are the centennials, mostly cause I grew up with them.

I've owned all the sets and currently have Cyclop and Aramith. I got swept into some of Cyclop hype when I bought my set. There is nothing wrong with them but they are not better than Aramith. I do consider Aramith pro balls to be the very best. Martin

 

[Kid Dynomite]

He did no such thing, You were simply called out for making an erroneous statement.

I was inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did this unintentionally (perhaps due to a less than perfect memory), but your continuing, feeble, and ineffective attempts to defend that statement might lead me to believe that you are either a dishonest person by nature or simply so insecure that you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong.

I have asked you to stop several times. Why you continued to post just paints you as the troll and thread derailing person you are.

Topic is diamond and cyclop balls. Cloth color was a minor point. Good post and content get buried cause of your nonsense. This cloth thread has been around for awhile where were you? Why not resurrect that thread then contamination of this one?

Only answer I am left with is you are rude and inconsiderate!

Kd

 

[Tony_in_MD]

If you want to be treated seriously read the information you posted. Think about the information on the site you provided that stated the Green and White roadsigns are being replaced with Blue and White ones. Blue is a better color for contrast.

I will expect your apology in the morning.

Troll on sir

You do not have to agree with anything!

I provide sources and reasons for my conclusion. Everyone can assign value or credence to my posts.

But, attacking opinions and sources that contradict your opinion is the act of a "troll"

Logic states that visual spectrum goes from 300 to 700 roughly and the human eye processes the middle spectrum levels better than the extremes! Fact

But, believe what you want and leave me alone and "keep my name out your
mouth"

Kd

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I recall, very clearly, my conversation with Greg Sullivan about the blue cloth. Basically, he approached a professional engineering consulting firm about determining what would be the best color for pool table cloth. They came back with the Pantone scale that, based on they're professional opinion, would provide the best color. It had nothing to do with paying a company to choose the color he wanted already. That doesn't make sense. If he wanted to use blue, then he would have just done so. He wouldn't have spent any money at all to falsify a claim that it's better.

You might want to actually talk to Greg before you make assumptions as to his motivations.


Royce

I never discredited Greg or challenged his statement!

I looked for confirmation and data supporting Greg and blue! I found data on green more so!

I thought they used the tennis study and applied it to pool? Not realizing the color choice was due to the yellow tennis ball. Very innocent!!!

Kd

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Actually you started this with post 93 after I replied to Faston regarding his opinion of blue cloth, and how humans evolved to see colors green better when we were in hunter gatherer mode.

I bet you did not even read the article I cited about color vision evolution.

Don't pull the good content being buried card, threads have a life of their own, and morph into many different side discussions,

Maybe you should become a moderator and try to keep every thread on track.

I have asked you to stop several times. Why you continued to post just paints you as the troll and thread derailing person you are.

Topic is diamond and cyclop balls. Cloth color was a minor point. Good post and content get buried cause of your nonsense. This cloth thread has been around for awhile where were you? Why not resurrect that thread then contamination of this one?

Only answer I am left with is you are rude and inconsiderate!

Kd

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Did you forget your own words in your blue vs green thread and poll?

I have done some reading on the topic and want your opinion?

Based on advertising material many claims have been made about Tournament Blue Cloth being superior?

But

Based on the scientific research I have found on the topic Green is superior. Here is a link to the research:

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationReso.../PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.htm

I found the data while reading this:

http://science.slashdot.org/story/08/04/08/2213222/what-font-color-is-best-for-eyes

I believe it was ALL marketing mumbo jumbo switching to tournament blue from green!!! I got on this topic because with the ball change to cyclops and the color change it had to effect the contrast between balls and cloth! So, i did some research and figured a poll was in order.

Kd

I never discredited Greg or challenged his statement!

I looked for confirmation and data supporting Greg and blue! I found data on green more so!

I thought they used the tennis study and applied it to pool? Not realizing the color choice was due to the yellow tennis ball. Very innocent!!!

Kd

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Did you forget your own words in your blue vs green thread and poll?

Not at all forgot. I never went as far as chuck fields. I just stated it was marketing! No mention of his claims or statements.

Again, innocently used tennis study and thought it would apply to pool! Given, both green surfaces. Unaware the yellow tennis ball behind the decision while pool utilizes multiple colored balls!

Kd

 

[BJTyler]

I have asked you to stop several times. Why you continued to post just paints you as the troll and thread derailing person you are.

Topic is diamond and cyclop balls. Cloth color was a minor point. Good post and content get buried cause of your nonsense. This cloth thread has been around for awhile where were you? Why not resurrect that thread then contamination of this one?

Only answer I am left with is you are rude and inconsiderate!

Kd

Where did you previously ask me to stop? Now, you did call Tony a troll several times and asked him to stop, but you never directed any such requests or comments at me.

You are truly a confused individual.

Regarding the derailing of this thread, you are the guilty party. You did so by calling Tony "mistaken" and then proceeding to back up your claim with a link to a thread and poll that you started which oddly enough contradicted your very claim. Then when called out, you then proceeded to make another falsified claim not supported by your own evidence.

Then, you call people trolls, reference non existent sources, and finally play the victim card....classic.

I may be rude and inconsiderate, but I'm not a Bull$\^t artist.

 

[RBC]

I never discredited Greg or challenged his statement!

I looked for confirmation and data supporting Greg and blue! I found data on green more so!

I thought they used the tennis study and applied it to pool? Not realizing the color choice was due to the yellow tennis ball. Very innocent!!!

Kd

Kd

Actually, it was Colonel who made that statement, not you.

My apologies for the mistake.

I do believe that the blue color is better, at least for me. I also believe the consultants findings. They were specifically looking at pool balls on a pool table with pool table lighting, and through their expertise, they chose the blue.

As for the cyclop balls, there's still a lot of questions. I know we have some claims of issues, but at this point they are only claims. Those who have sets and have checked them have stated facts that are contrary to the claims.

What should happen is if someone, like a pro player, has an issue, he should demonstrate it to the people who can address it. Hence my original request for this to be handled professionally behind closed doors. Until it's been demonstrated to the right people, it's just someone complaining with no supporting evidence.

All arguments to solve an unverified issue are useless. How can a problem be resolved without even having the defective product to test. If there really is a ball issue, all this is just delaying any possible resolution.


Royce

 

[SouthernDraw]

Kd

Actually, it was Colonel who made that statement, not you.

My apologies for the mistake.

I do believe that the blue color is better, at least for me. I also believe the consultants findings. They were specifically looking at pool balls on a pool table with pool table lighting, and through their expertise, they chose the blue.

As for the cyclop balls, there's still a lot of questions. I know we have some claims of issues, but at this point they are only claims. Those who have sets and have checked them have stated facts that are contrary to the claims.

What should happen is if someone, like a pro player, has an issue, he should demonstrate it to the people who can address it. Hence my original request for this to be handled professionally behind closed doors. Until it's been demonstrated to the right people, it's just someone complaining with no supporting evidence.

All arguments to solve an unverified issue are useless. How can a problem be resolved without even having the defective product to test. If there really is a ball issue, all this is just delaying any possible resolution.


Royce

Royce,
I am not suggesting that you are laying blame here on anyone or any group here. I would not be so bold as to assume that I could speak for you.

However, for myself, in the past, I have often been quick to blame players for their occasional rants in public forums. But, a recent thread here helped me to realize that the industry, as a whole often fails to bring everyone (corporations, room owners, league operators and the pro players) together. In my eyes, the governing body of pool in North America should be represented by all of those entities equally.

And until each group is brought under the same umbrella and brought into the fold, these rants will continue. If I were a leading American pool player, the current structure would leave feeling like a island to myself. Maybe less if I had an industry sponsor that worked closely with me. However, those sponsors are few. It seems clear to me, that the players don't realize that the things that they say or do really affects anyone other than themselves in that moment in time. They need to feel like they are a part of something greater than themselves.

And the entire industry has to be together and working towards the same goal for that to happen. And players need to be taught or mentored. And until these things change, the rants will continue to happen. And even if the next big movie happens, pro pool in America will implode yet again if none of these issues are addressed.

 

[CJ Wiley]

the new Diamond cue ball with be yellow

So does this mean that the new Diamond cue ball with be yellow sometime soon?

Not at all forgot. I never went as far as chuck fields. I just stated it was marketing! No mention of his claims or statements.

Again, innocently used tennis study and thought it would apply to pool! Given, both green surfaces. Unaware the yellow tennis ball behind the decision while pool utilizes multiple colored balls!

Kd

 

[alaskanadams]

Just to be coitusing with tony & kid.....I like my mahogany cloth and cyclop balls.....hahahahahaha:thumbup:

 

[goldball]

Dr Dave, please test the Aramith Tournament TV set (it has the measle ball already) against the Cyclop and Centennials.