Dale Perry Backs his work up....NOT!

Jaden said:
and you know that because? you talk to them and ask them how many they make? You know that they are telling you the truth. With some having or claiming to have multi year wait periods I know that theperception is that they make very few cues, but with most of the wait time being curing time and settling time they have a lot of free time to be working on many cues at once and there is no way short of being in their shops on a daily basis of knowing how many they make and sell.

And of course now someone is going to reply saying that I'm claling cuemakers liars. probably they'll say " Whatr so Judd and southwest and all of the cuemakers are liars?"

I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm just saying that even the difference between 50 and 300 cues is not that huge of a difference when considering the main reasons most custom cue makers don't make more. Just using quitew similar cnc programming can up production without decreasing the quality and that is the main question here. Is there a decrease in the quality. No one is stating that his former cues weren't worth 1800-2200 when he was making fewer of them.

The idea is that supply decreases value, but in something as individual in taste as custom cue manufacture, it just doesn't work that way. Do you think that you could specifically order a type of cue from Dale and still get it for 400-600?

I very seriously doubt it.

He's doing things in a way that allows him to make more and be guaranteed a consistent income and still somewhat maintain the beuty and level of playability he demanded when he was making them for 2000 a piece.
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Why don't you run this question over to the cuemaker's section and ask how many custom cuemakers crank out 350-400 cues per year?

I do understand how it is necessary for a lower end cuemaker to crank out that many cues. If one cranks out 400 cues per year at $350 each, then he only grosses $140,000 before expenses, salaries, cost of materials, etc.
 
Bamacues said:
Why don't you run this question over to the cuemaker's section and ask how many custom cuemakers crank out 350-400 cues per year?

I do understand how it is necessary for a lower end cuemaker to crank out that many cues. If one cranks out 400 cues per year at $350 each, then he only grosses $140,000 before expenses, salaries, cost of materials, etc.
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Here we go I'm not even gonna respond to this because then I'll be accused of all sorts of things. I don't really care.

If he has to stop making cues because he can't get more than 100 dollars for them I could care less.

I just see every one bashing someone who was known for making good cues and is still making good cues but selling them direct at a lower cost.

Maybe other high end cue makers are afraid this will drive down their cue values.

Then again, maybe it will make them go up.

Who cares. You probably do if it will affect your business.

I don't and am now going to bed. Some of the trolls on this site are starting to get annoying. I wasn't directing that last at you bamacues.
Just in general.
 
actually most of the ppl and the thread itself was bashing his customer service. i see no reason why customer service has to suffer just because his cues are now cheaper especially regarding things that has to do with the quality of his cue. obviously not all cues come damaged or in need of repair but the ones that do arent taken care of which is what i and other ppl have problems with.

look at audrick cues on ebay, he sells a lot of cues too, a lot more than dale and at a cheaper price but his customer service is excellent.
 
I may have an Answer as to Quality vs. Quantity ...

All of the (other) Custom Cue Makers I have dealt with in the past build their Cues in incrimental steps, with a "stabilization" period in between each step ... The spliced forearms are allowed to cure for several days prior to any machining, as are the Butt Sleeves, if they have Inlays or Spliced Points ... Then, upon assembling the Butt Sleeve, Handle, and Forearm the stabilization process is again several days ... The assembled cue is now machined for the 1st time, then left to cure for up to a week or two ... The 2nd turning is done and yet another period of time goes by prior to the 3rd and final turning ... Another stabilization period goes by (sometimes 2-3 weeks) before the assembled cue is final-sanded, cleaned, and sent to the Paint Room ... Once painted, the finish must cure for a set period of time, unless the Cuemaker uses the Ultra-Violet system which shortens the curing process ... Now it is Polished and ready for wrapping ... In the meantime, the shaft wood has been turned at least 2 times to achieve the desired taper and diameter ... All of these operations are labor intensive and time consuming, but the finished product is far superior to those produced enmasse ... By reducing the time between each necessary operation and (in many cases) the number of operations, a Cuemaker can produce a much larger number of cues at a lower net cost ... Hence, he can market them at 300-400 each instead of 1500 + ...
There is always a trade-off, however ... Skipped operations and insufficient stabilization time between operations can spell disaster, not immediately, but somewhere down the road after the cue is in circulation for an indeterminate period of time ... (In my case, it was about 4 months before the defects appeared) ...

For a good example of this, check out the TV Show "How It's Made" ... They recently had an episode showing Cues being "cranked-out" by the B'Zillions at Falcon ... That is not to say anything bad about Falcon, but rather to point out the differences between a Cue worth 300-400 and a Cue worth 1500+ ...

I don't claim to be an expert on Cues or anything else, but Quality is something that is "Built into a Cue" and not mass produced ...
 
I don't and am now going to bed. Some of the trolls on this site are starting to get annoying. I wasn't directing that last at you bamacues.
Just in general.[/QUOTE]

No problem, Jaden. I am not bashing Dale Perry, either. According to the Blue Book, he used to be an accountant, so he had to do whatever he had to do to protect his bottom line. He has to make a living, and I certainly would not hold that against him. His current business plan has to be helping him make a better living than before.

Personally, I would have loved to have seen Dale maintain some true custom work, even if on a very limited basis, and then produce a line of high quality production cues. Some cuemakers have done that with much success (Meucci, Joss, Jacoby, etc).
 
Bamacues said:
I don't and am now going to bed. Some of the trolls on this site are starting to get annoying. I wasn't directing that last at you bamacues.
Just in general.
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No problem, Jaden. I am not bashing Dale Perry, either. According to the Blue Book, he used to be an accountant, so he had to do whatever he had to do to protect his bottom line. He has to make a living, and I certainly would not hold that against him. His current business plan has to be helping him make a better living than before.

Personally, I would have loved to have seen Dale maintain some true custom work, even if on a very limited basis, and then produce a line of high quality production cues. Some cuemakers have done that with much success (Meucci, Joss, Jacoby, etc).[/QUOTE]


I agree, I think his biggest problem was that he claims these to be one of one custom cues when they are closer to prpduction cues.
 
my 2 cents

Yes, Dale is making a living by selling cues on Ebay, and where he went wrong was how he treated his distributors right before the change in his business plan. Underselling his distributors before they could make the money out of the cues they bought from him was not good business. Therefore he hurt his #1 promoters, and now it has caused his work to be undervalued by the knowledgeable cue persons. Is his work become worse? I would say that I have heard good and bad stories about his most recent cues, so who knows? What I do know is that his cues in general (new and old) have been lowered in value because of the ability to buy a new one on ebay for under $500. But as a shooter, I have heard that Dale's cues are still very good, just not a good investment if you are looking to buy and sell to make money off of them.
BTW, I have a custom designed cue being made by Dale right now. He started it in November 06, and I should have it in my hands by 5/07. Did he rush this cue? Will it have problems? Will he support and guarantee his work? Those are questions I have, no matter what stories I have heard about him, because I would ask that about any cuemaker who I buy a cue direct from, and these are questions I would ask when I buy anything from anybody. So am I worried? Yes and no. i hope to see a great cue end up in my hands, that is good in quality and beauty. And I am sure I will, but if not, then I will do what I can to ensure I receive proper treatment.
I will post pics of the cue when I get it in. Let's just say it will be unique.

My 2 cents,

Michael
 
Can you provide me with any info on any bad experience with DP. He owes me $950 trying to sell me a piece of junk. I'm going after him and his fraud ways.
 
What I stated was FACT .... Butt Out !!!!

cueman said:
Finish lifted. Was it like that when it arrived originally? I would not refinsh a cue for free if someone used it and then the finish lifted. That is caused by bumping the cue against something. Dale may not be getting a fair report here. It is just as likely this cue is showing problems from being bumped as not. Not sure why you want to jump on this customers band wagon, if you have no investment and don't know all the facts???
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Try reading the listing carefully and you MAY figure out that the cue was still BRAND NEW when the finish began lifting in several places ... Dale Perry is an unscrupulous businessman and builds JUNK !!!!
 
Your are Correct ....

Bamacues said:
If I remember the earlier pics of this cue which Ebay doesn't want shown for some reason, there are many, many finish "lifts" throughout the cue. Too many to believe that they were caused by bumping the table. It would have had to have been attacked by a hammer. Perhaps you can contact the seller and have him email thise pics and they could be posted on here for other cuemakers to determine what they feel the cause would be.
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I am truly sorry I deleted the pictures from my files last week while cleaning up my Drive ... I figured no one had any interest in them anymore ... My mistake ...
 
You are an IDOIT and cannot read ....

TellsItLikeItIs said:
Ya know, this comment is really starting to wear thin with a lot vendors. There is a flip side to the coin...How about players taking good care of their equipment? My personal cue is over 5 years old and DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE NICK IN IT. A pool cue is not intended to be used like a baseball bat.
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The Cue was BRAND NEW, Never Hit a Ball. and stored in a Hard Case in a climate controlled room .... Did I mention "NEVER HIT A BALL" ... There is NO "Flip Side" to this story ... Learn how to read and comprehend English !!!

Note: In my haste, I mis-spelled Idiot ... I, too, am not perfect ...
 
Another Idiot who Cannot Read !!!!

classiccues said:
Great post... I think a new thread called.. When does good customer service end, and consumer taking advantage take over, is in order...

JV
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Learn how to read and comprehend English before you run your mouth !!!
 
You Nailed It .....

SCCues said:
I wouldn't doubt the finish lifted because of improper preparation of the wood surface when you think about how many cues he's selling on ebay. He's turning them out right and left and things can get missed (wood prep.) when you are building cues that fast. I'm not saying that's exactly what happened it's only my observation of this problem.
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That is exactly what two well known and respected Cue-Makers in California said when they looked at my Cue ...
 
He Refused to Look at the Cue ....

chris2669 said:
My question to the thread was the cue sent to him to view it?
The only thing I think DP did wrong was the way he screwed all of his dealers. DP's have a great hit and probably always will. until i see different this is my opinion!:cool:
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I emailed him several times and sent pictures of the affected areas, but he REFUSED to even look at the Cue when I offered to pay the shipping both ways ... He's a P.O.S. !!!
 
DP cues is just another production cue maker. Nothing special and not custom. He turned his rep. about 1.5 years ago.
 
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