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Dale Perry cues?
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He has an IQ of of WAY ABOVE 140.Varney Cues said:Village doors were locked...Poolsleuth is currently homeless.
So I've read.JoeyInCali said:
Nickelsig229 said:
IMO if I played with a cue and it was"right" for me(vast majority arn't) I would pay over market value. If I'm buying without test driving I would want to buy under or at market value. Thru diligence you've determined that current market value for DP cues is apprx 50% of retail.
Just food for thought...
GOOD LUCK
Without using adjectives to describe the subjective feeling of a cue's hit (i.e., wet noodle, whippy, firm, etc...) all we would be left with is the statement "I don't like this cue" which is no help to a reader trying to understand what the author is saying. The fact of the matter is, we (the pool world) are trying to describe in words something that is felt - and most of us are not professional writers.Koop said:
I get the argument that you don't like their inconsistent usage(s) - and that you agree there is no way to measure it - but I haven't seen anyone propose an alternative to using those words - just a lot of "what the hell do they mean?"
It's clear that there is no standardized measurement for the "noodle-ness" of a cue's hit, but the pool world is not so naive that they can't grasp that a "whippy" cue is [at least] different than a "firm" one. Whether "whippy" is used consistently is irrelevant. Rather, it denotes an unwanted or unexpected feeling by the player - which others can interpret based on their experience.
IMO, using noodle, whippy, or firm, is pretty much what we're left with - and until someone proposes a system we can all use - I'll take whatever feedback the players give me -> and I won't belittle them for trying
-td
td873 said:It's clear that there is no standardized measurement for the "noodle-ness" of a cue's hit, but the pool world is not so naive that they can't grasp that a "whippy" cue is [at least] different than a "firm" one. Whether "whippy" is used consistently is irrelevant. Rather, it denotes an unwanted or unexpected feeling by the player - which others can interpret based on their experience.
IMO, using noodle, whippy, or firm, is pretty much what we're left with - and until someone proposes a system we can all use - I'll take whatever feedback the players give me -> and I won't belittle them for trying
-td
So then, in your own terms, what does noodle or whippy means besides something other than "firm".
I defy anyone to pick up a standard tapered Meucci, etc... and hit the balls at anything other than warp speed and come back and say they could actually see the shaft bend. This is utter nonsense.
I just got back from lunch at the poolhall
and played with two Meucci's that are approximately 2-3 years old. None, and I mean none of the shafts, no matter how hard I hit it, would bend.Not only that, but all these people who claim that Meucci shafts are junk and will warp in no time are wrong. These shafts are also 2-3 years old and roll straight as an arrow. Now, is it possible that some people have had bad experiences, sure. But is it likely that all Meucci's will warp and play like a "wet noodle", absolutely not.
I didn't mention it in the thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45161
But I was using the Meucci when I made 8 out of 10 of these shots. I'm sure there are those that will continue to claim they are junk and inaccurate but in my opinion, that is just basically taking the stance of a lemming and not looking objectively at it.
Thanks,
Koop
I defy anyone to pick up a standard tapered Meucci, etc... and hit the balls at anything other than warp speed and come back and say they could actually see the shaft bend. This is utter nonsense.Most likely not.
But in the pool academy video by Meucci where Rempe and lion-haired Lori Jon Jones starred in, they showed a slowmo of the Meucci cue hitting the ball.
It bends a lot in that video.
In the same video, they advocated parallel english.
Btw, how did this thread turn into Meuccifest again?
JoeyInCali said:
Most likely not.
But in the pool academy video by Meucci where Rempe and lion-haired Lori Jon Jones starred in, they showed a slowmo of the Meucci cue hitting the ball.
It bends a lot in that video.
In the same video, they advocated parallel english.
Btw, how did this thread turn into Meuccifest again?
I could always begin a new thread if you like.
Did they happen to slo-mo any other cues with the same tapers? And what do you consider to be a lot? I can tell you I have shot with both old and new and, if blinfolded, could not tell you the difference between those shafts and any other shaft of the same taper and diameter.
As mentioned previously, if you take issue with the descriptive terms used, perhaps you can suggest a standardized set of terms that we call all use. Otherwise, it adds little to the pool world to simply fault others for usages you just don't like.
-td
Sure:Koop said:
"Whippy hit": the vibrational quality of a [Meucci] cue such that it feels as if it is not completely solid resulting in unexpected cue ball action.
"Noodle": A thin and/or oddly tapered shaft of a [Meucci] cue that results in unpleasant feekback when you shoot, often culminating in unintended or inconsistent results.
"firm hit": The vibrational feedback of a well constructed cue, typically resulting in the desired cue ball action.
Meucci - pronounced "meh uck ee" down here
-td
No, they only showed Moochi.Koop said:
Rempe showed his famous $100K cue in that video too. I believe Varney's Arabian uncle bought that cue.
I don't know how to quantify a lof of buckle.
Cue tinkerers bend their shafts all the time by hand to judge buckle.
If mine bends easily behind the 12-inch line, me no like it. I like to keep the flex point around 10-inch line from the tip. Me no like big-gapped plastic ferrule too that absorbs energy.
JoeyInCali said:
Most likely not.
But in the pool academy video by Meucci where Rempe and lion-haired Lori Jon Jones starred in, they showed a slowmo of the Meucci cue hitting the ball.
It bends a lot in that video.
In the same video, they advocated parallel english.
Btw, how did this thread turn into Meuccifest again?
I had a custom cue made by Dale Meucci. It's
pretty and it's whippy. It's pretty whippy. BUT,
it hits a ton.
td873 said:As mentioned previously, if you take issue with the descriptive terms used, perhaps you can suggest a standardized set of terms that we call all use. Otherwise, it adds little to the pool world to simply fault others for usages you just don't like.
Sure:
"Whippy hit": the vibrational quality of a [Meucci] cue such that it feels as if it is not completely solid resulting in unexpected cue ball action."Noodle": A thin and/or oddly tapered shaft of a [Meucci] cue that results in unpleasant feekback when you shoot, often culminating in unintended or inconsistent results."firm hit": The vibrational feedback of a well constructed cue, typically resulting in the desired cue ball action.Meucci - pronounced "meh uck ee" down here
-td
Gee, thanks for clearing that up
Let me give it a try:
"Lemming": those who can't or won't think for themselves and feel the need to fit in by always doing what's popular (i.e. bashing "Meh uck ee's").
How's that?
JoeyInCali said:
Wow, you can really tell just from the hit if there is a big gapped plastic ferrule?
Or do you just know that because others have written about it and now you have adopted it as a means to defend your view.
This actually happens to be Meucci's way of combatting deflection. What do you use?
How can I get my hands on this video because I would love to see a cuemaker recommend parallel english. Think, think, now where is that video?
Any Dale Perry's for sale?
I would like to try one. Does anyone have one they don't use anymore and would like to sell?
I would like to try one. Does anyone have one they don't use anymore and would like to sell?
Koop said:
Have you seen a Meucci ferrule replaced recently? Black dots specially.
Why do you have to have an azzhole tone when asking a question?
A cuemaker recommend parallel english? Rempe shoots it and with two diagrammed parallel lines.
In the video a partial shaft is shown being cut too. Shocking how much wood was taken out in one pass.
I have the video, I have two hifi vcrs and a dvd recorder. The video is discontinued and can make you a copy. But, fkk you.
Go find one.
JoeyInCali said:
Because I think you spout off about things just to make yourself feel like the next great thing. That's why the azzhole tone. I think you are completely FULL of Shite and all I ever see is you bashing Meucci, who by the way, has been doing this a little longer than you or your mentor.
You want to show everyone how knowledgable you are. Here's your chance.
Bending a shaft by hand in an up or down/side to side transverse fashion has nothing to do with a 6 oz. CB and the energy being transmitted down the shaft lengthwise.
Please explain everything you know about longitudinal energy flow vs. transverse energy flow on front impact How much does an arrow bend by hand vs. in flight and at impact on a deer when it impacts with longitudal force and energy.
You want to swear at me, fine, fkk you too. Fact is, like it or not, you will never be able to come close to the success that Meucci has had and obviously it just eats your ass up.
Not only that, both Rempe and LJJ were sponsored by Meucci, Why in the HELL would Meucci put out a video which would make their playing cues and sponsor look bad?
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Hey Petree, you got that popcorn ready? i got the sodas!
bringing up dale perry or meucci is always a flamefest - on with the show
bringing up dale perry or meucci is always a flamefest - on with the show
Often when I see someone play with a Meucci...when they stroke the ball...I'm AMAZED at how long the shaft vibrates tremendously. I can only describe it in one word...BOING. Bob once himself admitted to me that the reason there is a big hollow spot in the top of the red & blk dot shafts is for glue relief. The Meucci plastic ferrule is so thin & just a capped slip on type...that without it, when his workers put glue in them and pushed them on...many would break open due to the glue. So he now leaves a 12mm, 1/4" long hollow spot in the ferrule top, even the tenon is turned down on top & now they don't break during install. When asked about this by most...its his famous "low deflection ferrule".
True story.
True story.
Varney Cues said:Often when I see someone play with a Meucci...when they stroke the ball...I'm AMAZED at how long the shaft vibrates tremendously. I can only describe it in one word...BOING. Bob once himself admitted to me that the reason there is a big hollow spot in the top of the red & blk dot shafts is for glue relief. The Meucci plastic ferrule is so thin & just a capped slip on type...that without it, when his workers put glue in them and pushed them on...many would break open due to the glue. So he now leaves a 12mm, 1/4" long hollow spot in the ferrule top, even the tenon is turned down on top & now they don't break during install. When asked about this by most...its his famous "low deflection ferrule".
True story.
How can you see this with the naked eye?
A metal tuning fork can vibrate for a long time and we can hear it, but how do you see wood doing this, expecially on a normal hit?
Like I said, I spent an hour playing with two different Meucci's and three different Meucci shafts and I could not feel what you are talking about nevermind see it.
Besides that, nobody EVER mentions the butt of the cue. It's always the shaft. Honestly, who in the hell cares considering the amount of people who use secondary shafts, whether it be Predator, OB-1, Universal Smart Shaft, etc...