how come everybody bad mouths dale perry cues?i understand some collectors paid high dollar for them when they first come out and the market value has dropped greatly.but for the price they are hard to beat,not everyone has the money for a expensive custom cue.i own 2 of them and i find they hit well and are well made and i have owned scruggs,huebler,mcdermott,joss and many other makes.im not comparing them to any upper echelon custom cues but in this day and age when you can get an american made cue 1/1 for under $300 .with so many chinese cues flooding the market,also american co's stamping their name on them i would think they would have more support on billiard forums.unless theres something im missing or not imformed about.your comments are welcome thank you
Dale perry rant
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This should get some very good responces!!!!
dale perry
If he hadn't killed the value of his cues himself by undercutting his own prices by selling on Ebay, and Killing the value of collectible custom cues that he sold for thousands, he might have a better reputation. Just my .02
If he hadn't killed the value of his cues himself by undercutting his own prices by selling on Ebay, and Killing the value of collectible custom cues that he sold for thousands, he might have a better reputation. Just my .02
Actually I believe they are a great buy for a playing cue. Generally they don't hit bad for a production cue especially at the price they can be purchased for. Many people, especially those who were dealers for him and helped him get his start are upset for the thousands of dollars they lost when he started selling on e-bay at such a discount. Now the quality of his cues are nowhere what it used to be but never-the-less, the owners of his original CUSTOM cues can no longer sell them for anything near what they paid for them. His customer service is non-existent now. If the cue you get is perfect, as it should be, then you are good to go. If it has any flaws then you are stuck with them as he won't make any repairs or corrections once the cue has been sold people have reported. As far as 1 of 1. If he makes a 100 cues completely identical he still considers them 1 of 1 since the grain in every piece of wood is different. Like I said though, for a playing cue, it would be hard to go wrong as a little cosmetic blemish nor the low resale price trumps the low original buying price.
Dick
So your DP is actually 1/1????? for the price you paid for your DP you could have picked up a used custom cue. a good sneaky'll run you less than that
I don't think people really bad mouth the product because like you said for the price they are ceratinly a good value. I think most of the negative comments are caused by the fact that he sold out. Now I am not saying he doesn't have the right to sell his cues for what ever he wants to, but by doing what he did he certainly screwed many people in the process
.unless theres something im missing or not imformed about.your comments are welcome thank you[/QUOTE]
Here is some food for thought, above you mentioned that getting a 1/1 cue for less than $300 is a great deal, and I would certainly agree, however, many of his so called 1/1 cues are actually 1 of many
. Now, I think integrity is very important, and personally I will not do business with some one I can't trust. He has shown in the past and the present that what he says and what is reality are certainly two different things.I have to comment
Not trying to make anyone mad. I bought one of his cues of off ebay for 137.87..shipped. You know what...it plays darn good, has a great finish, and has some really curly maple in the forearm....i mean really curly. So i know it pisses people off, but the cue i got, for the price I paid...actually..awsome!!!
That said, i have several cues from several people one this site, and they are better hitting, better playing, etc...but they cost more. Someone tells me they are going to get a nice fury for 100..id say get a nice dp for a little more...darn good deal. Most people on here cant look past him, to see that his cues are a great deal. rant off!
Not trying to make anyone mad. I bought one of his cues of off ebay for 137.87..shipped. You know what...it plays darn good, has a great finish, and has some really curly maple in the forearm....i mean really curly. So i know it pisses people off, but the cue i got, for the price I paid...actually..awsome!!!
That said, i have several cues from several people one this site, and they are better hitting, better playing, etc...but they cost more. Someone tells me they are going to get a nice fury for 100..id say get a nice dp for a little more...darn good deal. Most people on here cant look past him, to see that his cues are a great deal. rant off!
Kobachi
Scarred but Smarter
What turned me off years ago with DP, and I actually emailed him about this, ( which never got a response) was...whenever I would type in Scruggs cue on Ebay, all, and I mean ALL of his cues would pop up in my search. I couldn't figure out how this was happening at the time. This had to be about 5 years ago at least. Anyways, I think it was someone on this forum explained the whole "hidden words" thing to me, putting into cue descriptions on Ebay, ie: Scruggs. Sure enough, went back to one of his auctions, highlighted the description, and sure enough, hidden, or written in white, naked to the viewer, "scruggs, szamboti, etc....".
Shortly after I emailed him, (and posted my question here about why it was happening) he stopped doing it.
Never shot one of his cues, they could be great for all I know, but the above left a bad taste w/ me. my .2
Shortly after I emailed him, (and posted my question here about why it was happening) he stopped doing it.
Never shot one of his cues, they could be great for all I know, but the above left a bad taste w/ me. my .2
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that seems a bad way to do business to me,i understand your point
Wow, that's sneaky. I was 70% sure to buy one from Hawleys some years
back (when Sharon was still there) but ordered a Schon in stead. Boy I'm glad
I did the choice I did .
K
Here is some food for thought, above you mentioned that getting a 1/1 cue for less than $300 is a great deal, and I would certainly agree, however, many of his so called 1/1 cues are actually 1 of many
. Now, I think integrity is very important, and personally I will not do business with some one I can't trust. He has shown in the past and the present that what he says and what is reality are certainly two different things.[/QUOTE]TAP TAP TAP
I'm one of the fools that years ago used to buy his "limited" cues out of Robb Report in the 90's.
At an average of $3500 each just to store them away for future reference, and then in one week of Ebay seeing them crumble in value to right around recycled dog cookies, it just didn't sit well with me.
I've gotten a few of them since then just for the looks of the cues and pretty much cannon fodder for trades, but HE won't be getting another dime from me.
Next week, he'd probably sell the same cue for $19.99 and send an extra certificate with it for $5 to prove that no two cues are alike from Mr. 1/1.
But what do I know? I probably made him enough in the early years to pay for his ebay scams anyway.
But for the record, they do play good for the money, and look better than anything else in the price range from China.
I came across one of his cues a little while back when I met Buddy Hall. I liked it, so I checked out his other ones and came across the one's on Ebay. I got one and as soon as I won the bid, I got a couple of extra upgrades like the DP-R shaft and the talisman tip.
His conduct over the telephone was that of a car salesman. He was pushy, arrogant, and acted like he didn't have the time of day for me until I mentioned the word 'tuxedo cue'. He then had all the time in the world for me.
When I got my cue, the tip was slopped on with glue still stuck to the side of the ferrule. Looking down at the joint, it was off center. It was clear that there was some covering up going on in that cue, so I got rid of it. I called Dale and told him that the cue hit 'soft' even though I ordered a hard tip. He said I was the first person who's ever told him that and I just gotta play with it and get used to it, and hung up. I was stunned that any cue maker would respond that way to his cue. The fact that I didn't like it didn't bother him a bit. He had my money, and he knew that he had ripped me off and wasn't about to give me a refund.
Since then, I have warned people about his practices including Buddy Hall. Buddy once thought of having him produce a line of cues for him, and I strongly advised against it.
Don't get me wrong, he knows what he's doing, and his older cues are great, but the direction in which he has gone has left a sour taste in the majority of the people he's dealt with including me and that is a huge mistake in any industry.
His conduct over the telephone was that of a car salesman. He was pushy, arrogant, and acted like he didn't have the time of day for me until I mentioned the word 'tuxedo cue'. He then had all the time in the world for me.
When I got my cue, the tip was slopped on with glue still stuck to the side of the ferrule. Looking down at the joint, it was off center. It was clear that there was some covering up going on in that cue, so I got rid of it. I called Dale and told him that the cue hit 'soft' even though I ordered a hard tip. He said I was the first person who's ever told him that and I just gotta play with it and get used to it, and hung up. I was stunned that any cue maker would respond that way to his cue. The fact that I didn't like it didn't bother him a bit. He had my money, and he knew that he had ripped me off and wasn't about to give me a refund.
Since then, I have warned people about his practices including Buddy Hall. Buddy once thought of having him produce a line of cues for him, and I strongly advised against it.
Don't get me wrong, he knows what he's doing, and his older cues are great, but the direction in which he has gone has left a sour taste in the majority of the people he's dealt with including me and that is a huge mistake in any industry.
thats my guess to
i am guessing he makes a ton more money now then he did back in the day. I love how people on here will hate dp, but other cue makers who are still "high end" get a pass when they tell customers to piss off with their problems. Guess if you can afford an expensive cue it gives you certain powers of observation the rest of us dont have. Most people agree his cues play well...so lets dispense with the "i hate him because" routine, you hate him because he killed the value of your cue. I understand that, but if someone askes you where they can get a great cue for a good price, and you dont suggest an ebay dp as an option, you are not being honest.
i am guessing he makes a ton more money now then he did back in the day. I love how people on here will hate dp, but other cue makers who are still "high end" get a pass when they tell customers to piss off with their problems. Guess if you can afford an expensive cue it gives you certain powers of observation the rest of us dont have. Most people agree his cues play well...so lets dispense with the "i hate him because" routine, you hate him because he killed the value of your cue. I understand that, but if someone askes you where they can get a great cue for a good price, and you dont suggest an ebay dp as an option, you are not being honest.
Never seen so much glue around an inlay....
Wow, I never thought about it or even knew about how he destroyed the collectible market for his cue...I remember at one time I was looking for a new shooter and some friends showed me some of his cues, and I just couldn't stomach buying a cue with some of the thickest glue lines I've ever seen. I never hit with them but his gawdy designs and the glue lines just completely turned me off. Thats just my two cents. I don't believe in just for a cue to be cheap it has to look cheap.
Grey Ghost
Wow, I never thought about it or even knew about how he destroyed the collectible market for his cue...I remember at one time I was looking for a new shooter and some friends showed me some of his cues, and I just couldn't stomach buying a cue with some of the thickest glue lines I've ever seen. I never hit with them but his gawdy designs and the glue lines just completely turned me off. Thats just my two cents. I don't believe in just for a cue to be cheap it has to look cheap.
Grey Ghost
I think he made a very bad mistake he can't correct now.
If he had a second brand and his signature line, he would have been much better off imo.
joey you make a good point, but unforunately he didnt.
i own a few of his cues. i like them for what they are. due do me going to climate changing countries all the time i figured it couldnt hurt to get one off of the bay for a few hundred and if it was cannon fodder oh well. but when i recieved the cue two years ago in iraq it was in prefect health, played as well as anything and served its purpose. i didnt feel like taking a 1200 schon to iraq or another custom for that matter. so for me dale does serve a purpose. and due to ebay it fits by budget quite nicely.
however for all those who he screwed out of alot of money, that has to leave a sour taste that wont be forgiven.
i own a few of his cues. i like them for what they are. due do me going to climate changing countries all the time i figured it couldnt hurt to get one off of the bay for a few hundred and if it was cannon fodder oh well. but when i recieved the cue two years ago in iraq it was in prefect health, played as well as anything and served its purpose. i didnt feel like taking a 1200 schon to iraq or another custom for that matter. so for me dale does serve a purpose. and due to ebay it fits by budget quite nicely.
however for all those who he screwed out of alot of money, that has to leave a sour taste that wont be forgiven.