Davenport wins in Riverside!!!

Kim does great tv announcing as well. As seen on the World Pool Championship from Taiwan this year. He should be asked to do ESPN. Ive always admired him not only for his game but his composure and professionalism.

Now can anybody tell me whats happening to Jose? He is such a great player but hasnt been able to come through lately? I heard he has had to recover from some hard times himself. Like Kim I hope he gets through it. He is a first rate champion and should be in the winners circle.

Thanks SHooters for giving SoCal a top notch tourney
 
Don't know if anything has been going on in Jose's life, but from his play this weekend he's still a champ. After all, he did get in the hotseat this weekend.

yobagua said:
Kim does great tv announcing as well. As seen on the World Pool Championship from Taiwan this year. He should be asked to do ESPN. Ive always admired him not only for his game but his composure and professionalism.

Now can anybody tell me whats happening to Jose? He is such a great player but hasnt been able to come through lately? I heard he has had to recover from some hard times himself. Like Kim I hope he gets through it. He is a first rate champion and should be in the winners circle.

Thanks SHooters for giving SoCal a top notch tourney
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Pocket Size

I did not change the size of the pockets when I covered the tournament room.
The corner pockets are 4 1/4" and the side pockets are 5". It is the angle of the pocket that makes them play tough. 4 1/4" pockets on Gold Crown 2's play really tough anyways with the deep shelf in the pocket.

Lets give a hand to MexPoolPlayer who had a great tournament. He played some really tough matches and fought from behind in the ones that I watched. He did not get much of a chance against Kim but he had a hard battle with Morro that I was hoping for him to win. I think there was some questionable racking on Morro's part. MexPoolPlayer's big day will come soon by the way he is playing.
 
I don't want to believe it, but it seems to be a recurring theme. Even Max Eberle had to ask Morro to rerack on two separate occassions (loser rack format). I'd hate to think that Morro gave Oscar bum racks, tho.

I also echo the sentiments that Oscar is going places. After being doing 0-6 in his first match and coming back to win the next 8 in a row, he showed a lot of heart! Just remember to slow down, Oscar!

Jimmy M. said:
I find that hard to believe.
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And The Saints Come Marching In

sjm said:
Good news for our sport. Kim always presented and conducted himself with dignity, and was always a credit to our sport. Well played, Kim!
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HE FOR SURE WAS NO ANGEL.NO NEED TO MAKE HIM OUT A SAINT. THIS IS JUST POOL, FOLKS.
 
Pockets!!!

4 and 1/4??? Perhaps me and my dad's memory is going nuts!!! Well, honest mistake. My dad must've meant 3 and 7/8 in BACK of the pockets! Whatever they are, they came out great I think. Thx steve for the clarification and the reply. :) You too stevePW.lol. As far as the racking goes of Morro, he gives good racks most of the time, but just like MANY OTHERS you have to check to defend yourself from any funny business
 
MexPoolPlayer

I am going to start blaming you for losing my hair when I watch your matches. lol

I know alot of players who do not know how to give a good rack even after playing for years. You just have to make sure you check them. Because if you do not, it is your own falt.
 
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Tablemechanic said:
I am going to start blaming you for losing my hair when I watch your matches. lol

I know alot of players who do not know how to give a good rack even after playing for years. You just have to make sure you check them, because if you do not it is your own falt.
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Wish it was that easy, Tablemechanic! IMHO, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. :mad:

Some players get insulted if you question their rack. I mean, the nerve of it all to see if there are any gaps or if the rack is crooked or if the head-ball is too far above the spot. Back-and-forth ugly colloquys ensue, and sadly, look as if they will end in fisticuffs. :eek:

Then there is the school of thought -- and I'm not sure what kind of school this is -- that if a player does NOT check the rack, that this neglect is a contributing factor to the outcome of the game. In other words, if a player is getting cheated and they don't attempt to stop it, then it's their own damn fault. :rolleyes:

I'd love to initiate a thread about the ball lickers, too. When the wooden rack is removed, I do not think the player -- breaker or challenger -- should place their fingers on the balls and move them or position them or touch them or fondle them. I think it's a blatant move. Would love to know Joe Tucker's thoughts on this! :p

What is especially insulting, though, to any pool player is when they are honestly attempting to provide a good rack and it is questioned. Sometimes players will question the "perfect" rack hoping to get into their opponent's head, initiate a little negativity. I could name names, and thus, another move enters the fray. :(

Rack-riggers need to be tar-and-feathered, and it's no different than playing poker with a marked deck of cards. For every 6-pack I have seen in recent times, there's a 10:1 ratio, with 10 being winner racks and 1 being challenger racks. It's a statistically significant fact.

How many 6-packs do you think will occur at the U.S. Open this year? I am talking about breaking and running out 6 games in a row, keeping the opponent benched.

JAM
 
JAM said:
Rack-riggers need to be tar-and-feathered, and it's no different than playing poker with a marked deck of cards. For every 6-pack I have seen in recent times, there's a 10:1 ratio, with 10 being winner racks and 1 being challenger racks. It's a statistically significant fact.


JAM
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Why is it that someone is always giving a bad rack? I think the opposite would be true as well. maybe thats the reason why the statisical difference
occurs.

My guess is that people use it for an excuse far more than f%$^ racking really goes on. Not saying that it does not happen. I also wonder just how many of the religious rack checkers know what they are looking for. Do they know if they get a rack that favorable to them. I doubt it.
Its a damned if you do world. Sardo gets a good rack most of the time yet then players complain.
The break is huge playing 9 ball but no matter what I dont think there would be an abundance of 6 packs being put up just with a perfect rack. Still alot of intangibles.
 
frankncali said:
...I also wonder just how many of the religious rack checkers know what they are looking for. Do they know if they get a rack that favorable to them. I doubt it.
Its a damned if you do world. Sardo gets a good rack most of the time yet then players complain.
The break is huge playing 9 ball but no matter what I dont think there would be an abundance of 6 packs being put up just with a perfect rack. Still alot of intangibles.
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I definitely agree with the break, Frankncali, that it plays a huge factor into a run-out. :)

Rack-riggers exist, and there are also players who do endeavor to produce a "perfect" rack for themselves and/or their opponent.

Sardo rack and/or a neutral racker is desirable in some venues, and for good reason.

At the Carolinas Open last year, I saw a player rack his own balls and he ran an 8-pack with the same wing ball flying in the same pocket each and every time. I have seen the same player in other venues on many occasions. He does not enjoy the same success when his fingers are not allowed to touch the rack when he is breaking.

Bowlers do not rack their own pins. The mechanical bowling pin racker provides a level playing field to all competitive bowlers.

I know there are honest rackers, but for every honest one, there's a rack-rigger out there, too. It's a dirty little secret as it pertains to the game of 9-ball, a nightmare which is getting worse.

JAM
 
JAM said:
I definitely agree with the break, Frankncali, that it plays a huge factor into a run-out. :)

Rack-riggers exist, and there are also players who do endeavor to produce a "perfect" rack for themselves and/or their opponent.

Sardo rack and/or a neutral racker is desirable in some venues, and for good reason.

At the Carolinas Open last year, I saw a player rack his own balls and he ran an 8-pack with the same wing ball flying in the same pocket each and every time. I have seen the same player in other venues on many occasions. He does not enjoy the same success when his fingers are not allowed to touch the rack when he is breaking.

Bowlers do not rack their own pins. The mechanical bowling pin racker provides a level playing field to all competitive bowlers.

I know there are honest rackers, but for every honest one, there's a rack-rigger out there, too. It's a dirty little secret as it pertains to the game of 9-ball, a nightmare which is getting worse.

JAM
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Do you feel its something that is not seen to the guy checking the racks? The wong ball that is. OR is it the other player just not knowing what he is
looking for.

I know a couple tricks either way but dont use them. I just try to get a good tight rack for the other guy.

What do you mean by racking with fingers in the rack or on the rack?
How do you rack without touching the rack? I think I am just thinking wrong.
 
frankncali said:
Do you feel it's something that is not seen to the guy checking the racks? The wong ball that is. OR is it the other player just not knowing what he is looking for.
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I've seen both instances, Frankncali. It is a common retort for SOME rackers to state matter of factly that their opponent is negligent or ignorant and do not know what they are looking at.

How many different ways are there to rack in 9-ball and "fix" a rack?

How many different ways are there to rack in 9-ball and create a "perfect" rack?

frankncali said:
I know a couple tricks either way but dont use them. I just try to get a good tight rack for the other guy.
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And that's the way the game of 9-ball is supposed to be played. Unfortunately, it is well known within the pool community that there are some pool players who possess the skill of rack-rigging.

At the recent Super Billiards Expo Pro Event, Charlie "Hillbilly" Bryant, an expert breaker and racker, was confronted with an opponent who was rigging the rack. I was standing outside in the smoking area when he took a break in the middle of his set and came out to vent a little. He stated that he was doing everything he could to give his opponent a "fair" rack, and each time the opponent would rack, he would inspect it and see the result of a rack-rigging. There are only just so many times that one can be polite about it and request another rack.

At the beginning of the match, Charlie respectfully asked his opponent to re-rack. By the end of the match, the two of them got into a slightly heated verbal exchange. Charlie only wanted a "fair" rack, and it seemed that he was experiencing difficulty in receiving one. I do not know the answer on what would prevent this from happening, but these kinds of scenarios occur quite often.

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What do you mean by racking with fingers in the rack or on the rack? How do you rack without touching the rack? I think I am just thinking wrong.
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LOL! :D

After the wooden rack is removed, when the racker is finished with his racking procedure, I do not believe the racker or the non-racking opponent should walk up to the table and place their fingers on the balls in the rack formation.

It is a move, but one that is obviously not as well known as I had thought. :p

JAM
 
JAM

I agree.
I hate the way some of these guys come up and thumb the rack a little
saying that the balls are not touching.

I had a guy just look at them and then move the blass and say that they were not frozen. I never had a chance to look.

I also used to ask what the guy wanted or was looking for. Alot would say that they just cared about making sure the front three were frozen. Those guys had no business even looking.

I will say this ...bad racking is almost an art form. There are many methods.
 
Black-Balled said:
I can't wait to see the pics of him in his robe ;) What a great performance by Kim!
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He does not display the collection of his thread while at the pool table.
Vagabond
 
MexPoolPlyr said:
4 and 1/4??? Perhaps me and my dad's memory is going nuts!!! Well, honest mistake. My dad must've meant 3 and 7/8 in BACK of the pockets! Whatever they are, they came out great I think. Thx steve for the clarification and the reply. :) You too stevePW.lol. As far as the racking goes of Morro, he gives good racks most of the time, but just like MANY OTHERS you have to check to defend yourself from any funny business
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3 7/8 in the back sounds right....I knew they seemed bigger than that in the front...With the newer cloth the 4 1/4 pockets played a little loose to me...

I played Morro first round. What seemed funny to me was the way he would spin the balls / look at the rack / spin the balls / look at the rack.....I have to admit that under the circumstances, I was a little intimidated and could not bring myself to check his rack...I did not want to portray any unsportsman like conduct in front of a crowd..as Efren was playing a match at the same time and the room was full....and the only reason I was in the back room in the first place was because I was playing a "name"

I could never get any momentum in the set as I came up dry on the break (or no shot)...and from there in all honesty he outplayed me on the safes...He seemed to kick safe or make a ball on anything I left him....(1/4 roll here or there and the whole set could have been different)

BTW...Did anyone else notice Efren's exotic wrap on his cue?? :D :D :D
 
JAM said:
I definitely agree with the break, Frankncali, that it plays a huge factor into a run-out. :)

Rack-riggers exist, and there are also players who do endeavor to produce a "perfect" rack for themselves and/or their opponent.

Sardo rack and/or a neutral racker is desirable in some venues, and for good reason.

At the Carolinas Open last year, I saw a player rack his own balls and he ran an 8-pack with the same wing ball flying in the same pocket each and every time. I have seen the same player in other venues on many occasions. He does not enjoy the same success when his fingers are not allowed to touch the rack when he is breaking.JAM
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I always prefer to rack my own, I think it solves some problems, both players have the same opportunities to rack the way they want, and the opponent can check to see if it's racked properly. Sure it's not perfect, but I hate when others rack poorly, on purpose or by design.


JAM said:
Bowlers do not rack their own pins. The mechanical bowling pin racker provides a level playing field to all competitive bowlers.

I know there are honest rackers, but for every honest one, there's a rack-rigger out there, too. It's a dirty little secret as it pertains to the game of 9-ball, a nightmare which is getting worse.

JAM
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That gives me an idea, I'm sure I can make a system to automate the whole thing like bowling. When the game is over the balls will automatically be racked, how sweet would that be, no more racking. The placement of the 9 ball or 8 ball would be tricky, and then most of the tournament tables don't have ball returns, and it would also cost a lot. Oh well there goes that idea, would be nice though.

Damn bowlers and their fancy pants automated pin setter :D
 
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