Dead even points and veneers

ddadams

ddadams

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Who have you had experience with that consistently provides dead even points, at all levels? Recuts, veneers, returns, etc.

Now that I've had a good few different names of well known makers I'm really starting to appreciate what only a couple of them have provided consistently.

Namely Eric Crisp. I had one of the few veneered cues he made himself (never should have sold that one. Going to pay 2 arms and a leg for it back soon) and plenty of recut point cues. Every single one has been dead even at every level.

One of my DBKs was the same. Seen a couple of Brent Summer's cues that were dead nuts even.

But overall a lot of the guys everyone brags about make great players for sure, but don't have dead even points. Not in the few cues I've had.


Who else does dead perfect points?

I have a few projects I want to get going with some really rare burl I snagged up.

Unfortunately I *still* can't get a cue from Eric so I need to see who else there may be :(
 
ddadams said:
Who have you had experience with that consistently provides dead even points, at all levels? Recuts, veneers, returns, etc.

Now that I've had a good few different names of well known makers I'm really starting to appreciate what only a couple of them have provided consistently.

Namely Eric Crisp. I had one of the few veneered cues he made himself (never should have sold that one. Going to pay 2 arms and a leg for it back soon) and plenty of recut point cues. Every single one has been dead even at every level.

One of my DBKs was the same. Seen a couple of Brent Summer's cues that were dead nuts even.

But overall a lot of the guys everyone brags about make great players for sure, but don't have dead even points. Not in the few cues I've had.


Who else does dead perfect points?

I have a few projects I want to get going with some really rare burl I snagged up.

Unfortunately I *still* can't get a cue from Eric so I need to see who else there may be :(
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My full splice 4 veneer cue from Jerry Rauenzahn has all its points (inside and out, up and down) dead even. Really remarkable, especially for a full splice. I had him put the point further up the forearm, so even with the wrap the return points were above it so you could see the whole splice.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=351175&page=2
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I checked my cues carefully......'85 Runde..........Prewitt,.....Scruggs.......Owen.......Rauenzahn pool cues.

Only one cue has "perfectly" even, syringe sharp points........there were minor variations with all the other pool cues.

Guess which one was the most symmetrical of all these cue designs and cue-makers?



Nope.....wasn't EP.................not Tim either.



Bob Owen.......man that guy can produce some gorgeous workmanship and the cue he's making for me when it gets finished next Fall,
it will make your heart skip a beat it will be that great. Mr. Owen makes showcase cues that play as great as any cue you've ever tried.

Matt B.
 
Searing, Webb, Barenbrugge and Samsara come to mind.
For non-veneered 8 points, Judd was top notch.
 
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Bender, SW, Tascarella, Gina, etc...mostly high end builders who tend to pay more attention to details.
 
Inlaid points (Gina, Tad) would usually always be even, both outside and inside points. With spliced points and veneers whether short splice or longsplice there is an acceptable range from perfection which still reflects top notch skills and workmanship. The more you learn and understand cue construction, methods, machines and procedures the better one understands the folly of expecting absolute perfection in this regard. With points reasonably aligned other aspects of cue geometry, construction and finish are of vastly greater importance.

I will say that with some exception "staircased" points reflect either a lack of knowledge or carelessness on the part of a builder. With house cue conversions, even Titlists, sometimes the blank is small in diameter already with points hopelessly off kilter and they cannot be made perfect at a reasonable joint size.
 
Not only straight points but also rings that line up, some rings are made like an inlay but even when he put together cues with slotted rings Ariel Carmeli would make sure they all lined up. It took 2 of us some time to get them all straight but it's definitely worth the effort, nothing like looking down a cue and seeing the points, inlays and ringwork all in a row. Oh and his veneer work is top notch you can barely see if they are mitered or stacked, his work these days is very nice.
 
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Guys...I do not want to derail this thread but all of you are folks are people whose opinion I regard, especially Jazznpool whom made a great point about full spliced cues.

Anyway, in the Cue-Makers Section I started a new thread that's an offshoot of my orig. thread in the Main Forum "How Many Cues Is Too Many To Own?".
The thread in the Cue-maker Section is Inlays....What The Heck Are They?

If any of you are inclined to express your views or opinions, your thoughts on this topic would be not only helpful but I'm sure appreciated by others on the Forum besides just myself.

Thanks,

Matt B.
 
I had a McDermott D series cue that had all the points evened up with a marker..... does that count? :thumbup:
 
I would bet 9 out of 10 cues used to win the past 10 US Open championships have uneven points. Point is, it's pointless when it comes to pocketing balls.
 
I'm just a whipper snapper her but those that really matter that much? If the maker was able to match the point to atom precision. To me I feel like he cheated if that happens, it s a hand made cue and I was to see that some what reflected in the cue as long as the "quality" is there matching Points (raised eyebrows) not that big of a deal.
Like I said if it happens it happens but not a big deal
 
I`ve had a few Jeff Olney cues & they all had sharp points & clean veneer work. Had an 8 pointer that also had return points that were sharp as razors & even.
 
This topic has absolutely nothing to do with playability.

I just like things that are even.

I have shafts I like for almost every pin I'll ever encounter to help with the 'playing' part.

And to the person who mentioned the US Open...

I plan on becoming a much sportier player than I am now, but US Open?

I don't think I'll stand a chance in this life time :cool:
 
The points on my cue by Michael Webb (the Rhode Island one) are extraordinarily well done. Four veneers, super-sharp, and perfectly aligned.

You can see the sharpness and the craftsmanship in the picture, but not the evenness because I haven't figured out how to take a round picture.

Mike worked really hard to make the points long and to have sort of an inverted point effect where the maple meets the ring, per my request.

Cory
 

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Just a side note for the even points lovers....many moons ago Richard Helmstetter made a line of billiard cues ....both flame points and sharp points....that were perfect. They were not received well overseas as the players perceived that they were machine made. He changed them up....made the points uneven.....and sold tons of them.
 
Rockin' Robin said:
Just a side note for the even points lovers....many moons ago Richard Helmstetter made a line of billiard cues ....both flame points and sharp points....that were perfect. They were not received well overseas as the players perceived that they were machine made. He changed them up....made the points uneven.....and sold tons of them.
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I'd be much more impressed with hand-inlaid points that were a bit uneven than with machine-inlaid points that are dead perfect. To me it's more the design and the solid integrity of the workmanship that matters.

Way back in the 18th century, Stradivarius hand-crafted violins that are universally accepted as the most beautiful ever made, yet there are numerous asymmetries and tiny imperfections throughout his work. By contrast, the giant factories in Germany that cranked out Stradivarius copies by the millions in the early 20th century produced a product that was about as perfectly symmetrical as could be achieved, yet they are sterile and cheap looking, and are universally scorned by connoisseurs.
 
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Way back in the 18th century, Stradivarius hand-crafted violins that are universally accepted as the most beautiful ever made,
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The Stradivarius connoisseurs are there for the sound created by that special wood, long unobtainable.
 
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