Dechaine

justadub said:
Some people mature at different rates. That doesn't excuse poor behavior, but 26 still is on the young side, especially to be in world-class competition and environments.

(Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but hasn't Alex shown a lack of maturity more than a few times?)

I'm hoping Mike decides to become a pro's pro before he is done. I'm rooting for him.
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A buddy I shoot with is 26. He just got out of the Army after seven years in the 2nd Ranger Battalion. There is nothing more world class or competitive than that. He has every right to be a giant dick to whoever he wants but he doesnt. Twenty six is grown man. Tell me a guy is just hard to get along with or super confident....dont tell me a twenty six year old gets a pass on how he acts because he's too young.

Alex has his own issues. The biggest difference is Alex doesnt napalm his bridges behind him.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
If you match Shane against Mike D with a neutral breaker Mike might just win. I believe he has the fire power to play Shane shot for shot if you take Shane's break out of the conversation.

Or how bout this?...Make it 9 ball and see if Mike doesn't want to play Shane. You might get a different answer.

My point being that Shane is only a better 10 ball breaker than everyone else and not a better shooter.
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You are correct! Mike has a monster offensive gear. He can really come with a shot when he gets out of line. His cue ball control is sick!

I like Shane in 10 ball. I honestly think 9 ball is a coin flip even if they race to 1000
 
If Dechaine and SVB play a long set in any game for the money then you can bet what you guys want on Dechaine, I will pawn all I own and go broke betting on SVB. :eek:
 
runthetable said:
Dechaine is young, just 26

So years ago where this kid from nowhere would show up at a regional event and look for people to bet against him even money that he wouldn't take it down he may have offended those who were accustomed to winning.

Now that he is acually getting it done, those American stars who are fading better just need to get used to it or practice. I don't think Dennis Hatch could ever beat Dechaine again based on what I see of their games NOW.

It's not what you have done before. It's not a personality contest. It's wide open pool playing and ,may the best man win.

Mike, by far was playing the strongest of any player at Turning Stone bar none. Hatch, SVB and Archer didn't even look like they wanted to be there.

Everybody gets their kicks hating on him, which is why pool is where it's at. If you think you or anybody else should beat him , just PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH Is:smile:, I'd be happy to bet his side of it with anybody at this point.

Mike admits to his flaws and has made efforts to change. It's hard for someone so young to handle talent like this. Just look at his player history, it wasn't that long ago and he wasn't even on the radar. Things change over time...the older guys will have to get used to it.
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Mike's a 24/7 pool player today. Dennis Hatch has a job today and plays pool more on a part-time basis.

With all due respect to Mike, I don't think he could have handled a 26-year-old Dennis Hatch. Dennis was a monster on a field of green as a young'n.

It's easy to say this guy can beat that guy, yada yada yada, but one must take into consideration players in their prime. I'm not so sure Dennis is in his prime, but I will say Dennis has played pool many more years than Mike has. Thank goodness, Dennis does have a job to pay the bills because pool sure doesn't. Someday poor Mike Dechaine will realize this, but now he's enjoying his pool fame and rightfully so. He's doing well.

Kid Delicious (Danny Basavich) was on top of the world in 2004, I believe it was, winning several big pro events. He was on the cover of magazines, was written about in Sports Illustrated, had a sponsor paying all the tournament expenses, produced an instructional pool set of DVDs, was supposed to have a movie about his life. Kid Delicious everybody's pool darling. In terms of being a pool tournament soldier, it doesn't get much better than this in America. Danny had it all.

I happen to like Danny a lot, BTW. For those who knew Geese, doesn't he look a lot like Geese when he was younger? But where is Danny today? He came to the realization that, "Hey, if I want to eat and have a roof over my head, being a pool tournament soldier doesn't cut the mustard."

Every pro pool player once they reach the top of the mountain has their streak, some longer than others. Sigel, Strickland, Archer, Hopkins, Varner, Rempe, these players had a long streak. It will be interesting to see how long Mike Dechaine's streak lasts. We might be witnessing just the beginning of it. :smile:

Picture of Danny after he won a Joss Tour event at Snookers in Rhode Island. Here's a kid who has personality-plus. I hope he's doing well.
 

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JCIN said:
A buddy I shoot with is 26. He just got out of the Army after seven years in the 2nd Ranger Battalion. There is nothing more world class or competitive than that. He has every right to be a giant dick to whoever he wants but he doesnt. Twenty six is grown man. Tell me a guy is just hard to get along with or super confident....dont tell me a twenty six year old gets a pass on how he acts because he's too young.

Alex has his own issues. The biggest difference is Alex doesnt napalm his bridges behind him.
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I stated at the beginning of the post you are quoting that being 26 doesn't justify poor behavior. I repeat that. Neither does being 22 or 38.

I have been around a little longer than you Justin, and one thing I've experienced, especially as an employer, is that some people, especially young men, mature at different times in their lives. They are still "grown men", but they simply haven't matured, and realize how they ought be handling themselves.

Your example of the young man who has been in the service is a great example. I've had guys that worked for me that were exact opposites, well into their mid to late twenties, finally something clicked and they got their $hit together. I've had others who will never get it together.

I do not know Mike, never met him. I am rooting for him, since he's from my area, and that is cool to me, especially since there are very few people from our area that can be considered world class in anything. I've followed pool here on line for a while now, and I get disappointed when I hear accounts of how he has behaved, particularly at his TAR match, and again with your personal account of what happened with Busty. But to be fair, I wasn't there, either. All I can do is read, and listen. And take all of that into account.

(And I talk with people from here that do know him, and they have their own opinions, none of which I'll share here. Suffice to say many aren't complimentary. I'm sure you aren't surprised.)

All this having been said, these opinions seem be derived regarding how he acts in a pool room environment. Maybe he's different away from pool.....?

Perhaps he is going to act the way he does now, for the rest of his life. Perhaps not. Once again, I am hoping that he becomes a pro's pro. I am rooting for him.
 
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I started a thread not to long ago saying I would love to watch SVB and Dechaine match up, and almost every one said Mike isn't ready. Now he wins turning stone and all of the sudden he can walk on water?!?!?!? I think it's a great match up. Alot of color, but one thing I know to be fact is Shane is THE BEST grinder in a race to 100. Any body watch the last match of race to 100 with Alex. You can think what you like but race to 100 is completely different than 3 sets of 25-30. The marathon endurance required for that bout is not something taken lightly.


Again, Congrats to Mike!!! Keep pushing hard. It seems you are only improving. I have alot of respect for your game, just don't think your to SVB level quite yet.

best,

Justin
 
fyi, md beat svb playing 10 ball race to 25 for a pretty big number. The spot was dippy has to break for svb.Now obv the spot is a pretty big factor. However it was 10 ball on a fairly tough diamond at the derby.Not an easy place to beat svb playing 10 ball at. He has also played Alex even.Lol at anyone thinking this is his first big accomplishment and trying so say it's just another tourney and it doesn't mean anything.The fact that people are even talking about him playing svb is something he should be proud of.I'm sure he would love the opportunity to match up with Shane again.
 
What's in a name?

... When your fellow pros give you a nickname of Mike "the pain" DeChaine it might be sending a message

Clearly, he can play and clearly, he can catch a gear but he risks falling into the Earl category of being equally recognized for his talent and for how bad he represents the game

There are so many examples of high quality play coupled with professional behavior I have a hard time getting behind a guy like Mike

Archer, Francisco, Efren, Morris, Parica, Dominguez (both), SVB, Lombardo and you can keep going with this list.
 
justadub said:
OK, educate me.

This wasn't rack your own, Mike was racking for Shawn. And Shawn spent a HUGE amount of time making Mike adjust every rack. I would think the rack must've been pretty close to right by the time all that was done. So what does Mike being a "racker" mean?

This is a serious question. I honestly don't get what you mean.
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It's called talking out of your asse. He's odiously a Dechaine hater.

But I think you realize that...:smile:
 
jhanso18 said:
I'll put 5k up says if you ask mike to play SVB race to 100, 10 ball, he will say NO. and if he's thick enough to say yes, I'll put up another 15k says he can't win.

The kid is good and on the rise. but even he said he wasn't ready to take on the big dogs quite yet. I'd like to see him and Earl, Shawn Putnam, Hatch, Donny Mills, etc. before he stepped to SVB. Dechaine is the future no doubt, but deffinately not the NOW. I think the next top dog will ultimately be that the young Shuffet kid.


WHY IS IT EVERY TIME SOME ONE GETS A LITTLE HOT AT A BIG TOURNAMENT DO PEOPLE INSIST ON SAYING, "LOOK OUT EVERY ONE THIS KID CAN BEAT THE WORLD?!?!?!?!?"

BEST,

Justin
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Dechaine is about to make his second Mosconi Cup team, and he has won many tournaments already, not just this Turning Stone. He's beaten everyone or close to everyone on your list, Hatch, check, Putnam, check, he ran out a set of 10 ball against Archer (8 racks I think it was).
 
howdihitit said:
Jesters,
let me mention im not friends with him at all, ya putnam won 9/2 in the hot seat but for the cash mike crushed him.
he won the ultimate 10 ball and now the turning stone thats pretty good.
i like watching good pool matches, and i think mike is as good as any American
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Couple things:

1.) Turning Stone is a nine ball event on fairly easy equipment. Blaine Barcus beat Archer...(which I think is awesome). Putnam won the set before by a land slide. Mike won the finals by a land slide. Nothing can be concluded except that anyone with a high level of skill has a chance to win.

2.) I was there for the Ultimate 10 Ball in Dallas (Frisco). Jeremy Jones made it to the finals and was really not playing great. He beat Mike in the semis. Home cooking might have helped since he lives about 20 minutes away from the Frisco Convention Center. He was just on his return after getting married and taking a break. This was the first big event he played in for a long while. Dechaine won the finals. Both sets that Jones and Dechaine played were very sloppy. Dechaine dogged a 7 ball in their first set. Jones dogged a 5 ball in their second set. Each of those two misses cost them the respective sets. My point is if Jeremy was in dead stroke Dechaine would not have won IMO.

3.) Today is a different story. Mike Dechaine is one of the best active players in the USA and in the World. He is a threat to win any event he enters.

4.) I still do not like or care for Mike Dechaine's cockiness. I simply don't like the way he carries himself. He needs some training on how to not be a boastful, braggart, cocky, full of himself type of person. But he doesn't know what he doesn't know
 
Hungarian said:
Neil Young is strange...just saying
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This is what Mike Dechaine should be saying to the seasoned pro players who've been following the tournament trail long before him---> HERE!

Like a coin that won't get tossed rolling home to you!
 
ronscuba said:
It's better to burn out than to fade away. Hey, hey, my, my.
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For sure! :smile:

Some people will never be as fortunate as Mike Dechaine and others like him who are capable of looking at heights beyond our gaze on that field of green, like ---> THIS
 
JAM said:
This is what Mike Dechaine should be saying to the seasoned pro players who've been following the tournament trail long before him---> HERE!

Like a coin that won't get tossed rolling home to you!
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Actually, Neil Young is awesome. I forgot. That song is one of the best folk songs ever.
 
runthetable said:
More like 8 players who had a realistic chance and 3 of them didn't show up (SVB, Archer + Hatch). It was pretty apparent Mike was in dead stroke nearly all 4 days. I picked him to make it, especially when it was down to the last 8.

As far as the racking wars. All the pros and most of the top shortstops were staring deeply into racks and asking for reracks at least 80% of the time, sometimes 4 times over. To say Mike was giving bad racks is ridiculous because they would just continually reject them.

Does anyone here understand the level of dedication it takes to achieve his level of play? He was running out from everywhere. Playing as strong as any Turning Stone champion I have seen in many years. His skill has reached world class status. If you are expecting him to fail, better expect to be sadly mistaken.

BTW he broke and ran out 8 of his 12 breaks in the match ...67%. Yeah he got lucky!!!
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Well I was there and talked to a couple of players that played against Mike and the amount or re-racking and slugs that were giving back upset them both. Now im not attacking Mike but this is what was said to me by two different players at different times. It got to both of them with Mike's issues and racking abilities. Are they both lying to cover a loss?? Maybe maybe not...

Overall Mike played stellar pool in the end and did what any pro aims to do. So congrats Mike!!
 
RunoutJJ said:
Well I was there and talked to a couple of players that played against Mike and the amount or re-racking and slugs that were giving back upset them both. Now im not attacking Mike but this is what was said to me by two different players at different times. It got to both of them with Mike's issues and racking abilities. Are they both lying to cover a loss?? Maybe maybe not...

Overall Mike played stellar pool in the end and did what any pro aims to do. So congrats Mike!!
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If they check the rack, how do you get a slug rack? That's why I like the Magic Rack, you need to TRY to leave a ball loose for one to be loose if you even spend a minute learning how to use it.
 
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