Bring Carlo over.... So I'm assuming Dennis is no longer with bugsy.... Wonder how that went over
Dennis Orcollo vs Ko Pin Yi match statement by John French
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I don't think it's cool at all to advertise 10k per man and then it's only 5k per man if that's what happened. It cheapens the whole experience.
As for backing both players I doubt that was during or before the match.
Kudos to John Mars for picking his AMERICAN horse and sticking with him.
Shane is going crush Dennis. For $50,000 in cold cash and no funny business.
As for backing both players I doubt that was during or before the match.
Kudos to John Mars for picking his AMERICAN horse and sticking with him.
Shane is going crush Dennis. For $50,000 in cold cash and no funny business.
So I see Manny from Steinway just announced on Facebook within the past hour that John French is their home room player & his team plays out of there. Here was his post:
Let us see how long this will last.
Let us see how long this will last.
A few new comments:
1. These press releases prove that anyone waving a few dollars around can own the players. Imagine if someone came waving around 1MM. They would own the whole industry.
2. I'm surprised the players are flocking to French. Do they know him from before? I'm a nobody, but never heard of the guy till this match. Was he big on the pool scene and quit for 20 years or something, and now came back?
1. These press releases prove that anyone waving a few dollars around can own the players. Imagine if someone came waving around 1MM. They would own the whole industry.
2. I'm surprised the players are flocking to French. Do they know him from before? I'm a nobody, but never heard of the guy till this match. Was he big on the pool scene and quit for 20 years or something, and now came back?
I'm confused again --- I don't pay attention to everything but can someone list what John French has done for pool.
Orcullo vs Ko which has been rumored to be more of an exhibition match than a gambling match
Scheduled Orcullo vs SVB (which won't take place in his new home -- call me more confused).
Please add to the list on what I missed.......
Yeah I wondering how long it last as well. Another thing in manny facebook announcement. It says Ko asked frenchy after the match. But frenchy clearly stated at the beginning of this thread that it was brought to him in the middle of the match. Then scroll down few sentences and frenchy says it didnt come together till 3hrs before day 3 ended. Which one was it in middle of match. Toward the end of match. Or when the match was over. Iam confused. Still have no idea who backed Ko and how much they played for. This whole match was a disaster for pool but I guess if no answers will be given we will just have sit back and wait to see if the paying public decides to forgive and buy the next match on PPV. The only way truly know if this affected pool is to see the ratings from SVB vs Orcollo and compare to last few big matches on PPV before this happened.
That's what I was trying to figure out. There's about 15 world class pool players'. Half the Euro players doesnt gamble. How many players are going to line up to play Dennis and Ko even?
For 5k I could get 10 pros to show up for Sunday Barbecue! Like it or not we need guys with money and action to feed this game. So why does everybody want to kill this in it's infancy??? Surely this is more exciting and has more potential that Bonus Ball.
Hulk Hogan has just been added to the stable.
This is getting weird.
This is getting weird.
If it is legitimate gambling matches then Shane and Mars will clean up until the guy is bust because he's the only one that will match up against them.
Guys I just want to announce to everyone that John French has just signed me to his team. I am Honored to have him and he is such a great guy, I even let him keep my girlfriend. I am just a C player but Mr. French sees potential in me.
He is good guy and pool will very excite to have him wit me, he is much cool. Anyone ever doubting his credibility, doubt no more because I have just signed with him and I overheard Ko Pin Yi ask him something in his native language and John French is so incredible that he didn't even need a translator.
Thank you for this great opportunity. I will now become a pro in under 5 years thanks to John French helping me match up with great players. Wow what a time to be alive. I love you John.
He is good guy and pool will very excite to have him wit me, he is much cool. Anyone ever doubting his credibility, doubt no more because I have just signed with him and I overheard Ko Pin Yi ask him something in his native language and John French is so incredible that he didn't even need a translator.
Thank you for this great opportunity. I will now become a pro in under 5 years thanks to John French helping me match up with great players. Wow what a time to be alive. I love you John.
As others have asked, the key question is, who backed Ko in this match and for how much. French or someone else (Jay maybe), needs to come clean and disclose this. I mention Jay because he is friends with Dennis and he is in the know on this -- and has said as much, that he had reasons for taking Dennis in the match that he won't disclose even after the match is over.
But besides that, what we already know is that whoever backed Ko, we know that they decided NOT to back him anymore, or at least not for the Derby after this match.
Therefore, Ko's backer is the one that was the most likely to get cut-up here -- along with the rail. I don't really care personally, I did make a bet on Ko on the match, but I always figure that funny business is always possible when betting on these matches. Right now, it doesn't look good -- but we will all have a better idea when we find out who backed Ko and for how much.
But besides that, what we already know is that whoever backed Ko, we know that they decided NOT to back him anymore, or at least not for the Derby after this match.
Therefore, Ko's backer is the one that was the most likely to get cut-up here -- along with the rail. I don't really care personally, I did make a bet on Ko on the match, but I always figure that funny business is always possible when betting on these matches. Right now, it doesn't look good -- but we will all have a better idea when we find out who backed Ko and for how much.
backed money
I'm just speculating but its my guess what happened was Ko's backer and French posted a partial amount for a no show fee. Thats pretty common. My thinking is that when Ko's backer backed out they felt obligated to play the match for the smaller amount for the viewers.... Hence Ko feeling it was ok to ask John for backing before the match was over because he didn't have one. Just my guess
I'm just speculating but its my guess what happened was Ko's backer and French posted a partial amount for a no show fee. Thats pretty common. My thinking is that when Ko's backer backed out they felt obligated to play the match for the smaller amount for the viewers.... Hence Ko feeling it was ok to ask John for backing before the match was over because he didn't have one. Just my guess
Something stinks about this whole thing.
The question then becomes how much was on the rail.
He doesn't "own" the players. He is their very public backer for certain events. We don't know if there are actual contracts or what those contracts say about what the players can and cannot do.
I personally don't find it to be a bad thing to have a team concept backed by a wealthy owner. But as Justin says, if no one will gamble then what's the point? The point of the Filipino "stables" for example is to actually make some money off the tournament winnings of the pros they back. And off the gambling matches that they back I presume.
But as we saw on the article about Orcullo a few years ago even in the Philippines you can get too good to get any action and as a result have very little income and be undesirable to sponsor.
John sounds like a guy who made his fortune and now wants to play a bigger role in the pool world. He probably loves pool and loves action.
I guess the only thing that rubs me the wrong way so far is the idea that a match is advertised to be worth x-amount to the winner, $20,000 ($10,000 buy in) and actually the winner only gets $2500. Don't get me wrong, $2500 is still more than most people make for a week of work but it's not as advertised and if it's an exhibition where both get paid then it's certainly not the 'battle' that the viewers paid to see.
Every pool player who has ever gambled understands the difference between playing for the show and playing for the dough.
You're right though, with the right amount of money, and not many millions at that, someone could literally OWN professional pool in America. What they would or could do with it is the question.
My GUESS on what happened.
Ko's backer literally "backed out" before the match. French then came to the rescue and offered to pay for an exhibition match to be held. $2000 to winner and $500 to loser.
The PPV team and everyone is swinging from French's n_ts because they are just happy that the match will go on and the PPV won't need to be cancelled and refunded.
Obviously, people probably would not have been as thrilled to bet on Ko under these circumstances. Throw in that French actually signed Ko during the match, and forget it. This was NOT a legitimate match to bet on.
Now there are just a few open questions, including who knew about these arrangements involved with the match and who bet on Dennis knew these details before making their bet......
Ko's backer literally "backed out" before the match. French then came to the rescue and offered to pay for an exhibition match to be held. $2000 to winner and $500 to loser.
The PPV team and everyone is swinging from French's n_ts because they are just happy that the match will go on and the PPV won't need to be cancelled and refunded.
Obviously, people probably would not have been as thrilled to bet on Ko under these circumstances. Throw in that French actually signed Ko during the match, and forget it. This was NOT a legitimate match to bet on.
Now there are just a few open questions, including who knew about these arrangements involved with the match and who bet on Dennis knew these details before making their bet......
He's buying these guys like cars. Don't fool yourself at all.