Dennis Orcullo - Bad Form

[HawaiianEye]

Dennis had also complained about the rack on his previous break, and the TD got a new one - or at least he took it off screen and then came back.

I'd like to know actually "what" his complaint was? What was the rack doing for SVB, that it wasn't doing for him?

I've watched a few videos of him playing when he didn't seem to be in such chipper mood when he was losing. That is an attitude that is easily recognizable and some people let it affect their play more than others.

He is usually winning so you don't see it as often as you maybe do in other players.

 

[jeffj2h]

I believe I've seen Shane play in other 8-ball matches where he does not call the 8. Seems Shane just believes calling the 8 on an obvious shot is silly, and usually there is an unspoken agreement between the players that it's not needed. Usually.

 

[Dockter]

Let me tell you how a couple champions can take a loss....

Cliff Thorburn, our only Canadian world snooker champion, played in the Prince Albert
tournament one year....he plays pretty sporty 9-ball also.
Alex is up 10-1 on Cliff in a race to 11....Cliff is methodically racking the balls....
...Alex is waiting to break....
...Cliff looks up from the rack and asks..."By the way, how does the table play?"
Alex and all the spectators cracked up...:rotflmao:

And here's how a pool champion can handle a loss.....

Can't remember who it was, but he was shooting an easy 9-ball for the match and became
aware that everybody was laughing....he looked up...
...it was Jim Rempe with a white towel on top of his cue, waving it in surrender.

I remember these two players as much for their grace in defeat as for their many wins.

That's awesome. I wish more would act this way.

 

[jeffj2h]

I'd like to know actually "what" his complaint was?

Here's what Jay said during the stream, imagining what Dennis's complaint was: "Hey ref, I'm down 8-2... I can't make a ball on the break... Shane keeps making balls on the break... do some'thin about it please!" ;*)

 

[BRussell]

You don't have to call the 8, or the 10, unless it's non-obvious, under the rules they play. My understanding is that the Pacquiao Cup rules were stated to be WPA rules, but they (wrongly) interpreted the rules as requiring the 10-ball to be explicitly called. It was as if the local banger in the bar was the tournament director there.

Maybe SVB shouldn't have unscrewed, but at least his complaint was legitimate and he was right and the refs were wrong, whereas Dennis didn't have a legit complaint.

 

[DaveK]

Let me tell you how a couple champions can take a loss....

Cliff Thorburn, our only Canadian world snooker champion, played in the Prince Albert
tournament one year....he plays pretty sporty 9-ball also.
Alex is up 10-1 on Cliff in a race to 11....Cliff is methodically racking the balls....
...Alex is waiting to break....
...Cliff looks up from the rack and asks..."By the way, how does the table play?"
Alex and all the spectators cracked up...:rotflmao:

And here's how a pool champion can handle a loss.....

Thanks for the memory

Same tournament .... a couple of locals iirc were having difficulty with the 6 ball. One guy would miss it, leave his opponent badly, then he would miss and return the favour. This went on for several innings, both guys getting a bit frustrated ... then one noticed the 5 ball was still on the table A few railbirds were having a difficult time containing themselves :lol:

Dave

 

[Agent 99]

Just a complete bullshit call by the Ref ... Ray Charles could of seen that Shane was playing the shot he made. Ronnie had no problem with it...

 

[Bob Jewett]

Just a complete bullshit call by the Ref ... Ray Charles could of seen that Shane was playing the shot he made. Ronnie had no problem with it...

It's possible that the rules in that tournament were that you had to call the 10, obvious or not. But by WSR, obvious shots don't have to be called in call-shot games, and the 10 was pocketed legally.

Does anyone know what rules the MP Cup used?

 

[2strong4u]

"Dennis was in an action match, I believe at another DCC where he felt like he was trapped in the game with the spot he gave and he refused to continue and whined and whined about it."

Didn't he quit when it was hill hill giving up a big spot and then tried to buy out for a hundred? It was an obvious pre-airbarrel move. All of a sudden he couldn't speak english so well anymore!


The crap he pulled playing Eberle in the 14.1 finals was very insulting to his opponent, the game, tournament orgsanizers/sponsors and any spectators. Yet somehow he gets away with it. God knows why.

 

[2strong4u]

Here's a screen shot of the final ball position. At 8-2 Dennis was about to break. He approached the TD and complained about the magic rack, but it's unclear what his complaint actually was. Dennis broke, and the CB left the table. Dennis looked frustrated as he sat down.

Shane has BIH but it looks like there is some work to do given the cluster. Shane was looking at the table for about 10 seconds when Dennis started unscrewing his cue. The TD waved Shane off and declared a forfeit.

Stupid Mickey Mouse tables...he's out all day!

 

[Nostroke]

It's possible that the rules in that tournament were that you had to call the 10, obvious or not. But by WSR, obvious shots don't have to be called in call-shot games, and the 10 was pocketed legally.

Does anyone know what rules the MP Cup used?

make'm up as you go and then short pay the players and intimidate them into silence.

 

[3RAILKICK]

Just a complete bullshit call by the Ref ... Ray Charles could of seen that Shane was playing the shot he made.
Ronnie had no problem with it...

The video clip appears to show Ronnie inviting the ref to make a call on the non called 10ball...could be wrong.

To me it looks like ref is going to let it go unless Ronnie makes an issue of it....appears he did.

Since Ronnie is behind SVB, easier to play it off as "sorry bro" as though it's all ref...imho

 

[mantis99]

It's part of any sport. Really, it's part of being human.

As far as some of the things Jay says about Dennis, well... Jay is a little biased towards Dennis. I probably would be too, if I was good friends with Dennis, so no harm/no foul.

I do agree that KC is making a big deal about it. There is no world organization that governs all of pool (and don't anyone say the WPA, I'll beat you in the head with a rock), so players play on their own money or someone else's money. If the players were getting paid a salary, they should shape up their attitudes, but most of them barely have a sponsorship.

I disagree. Quitting a game because you are losing should never be a "Normal" part of any competitive endeavor. If you can't behave like a decent person and be respectful to your opponent, then don't enter the match. There are many reasons why this is true, but it just boils down to having good character overall. I would not quit in any of the described circumstances, and I think it is a big deal for any pro to do so.

If you were at a pro baseball game that you paid to get into and the away team got down by 7 runs and decided to quit early because it was "over" and they had a long trip ahead of them and walked off the field, everyone would be outraged, and rightfully so. This type of behavior is not acceptable in my opinion.

 

[mantis99]

Excuse me, this is a storm in a teacup
Pros in every sports quit/forfeit. They are humans and allowed to have bad day. Maybe other sports have less gambling on the players so it is no big deal.




Last year at MP Cup Philippines
http://philboxing.com/news/story-102028.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZrFBWjrKk

I don't think so. Name the last time you saw an MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA etc team walk off the field and quit. It never happens, and shouldn't happen in pool. I agree that their should be a rule written for tournaments that penalizes this type of behavior. I am shocked to see that so many people on here think this is not a big deal.

 

[JumpinJoe]

I don't think so. Name the last time you saw an MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA etc team walk off the field and quit. It never happens, and shouldn't happen in pool. I agree that their should be a rule written for tournaments that penalizes this type of behavior. I am shocked to see that so many people on here think this is not a big deal.

That's why pool isn't a sport. Never has been. Never will be.

 

[BRussell]

Dennis just won his loser's bracket match so apparently there are no sanctions.

 

[sjm]

Dennis can't beat Shane in any game ,, Shane has him beat before the first rack is broken ,, there are many players who I would take to play Shane before I got to Dennis

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Guess they forgot to tell him at the 2015 Super Billiards Expo, where Dennis beat Van Boening and then Shaw to capture the title,

 

[TheLoneSilencer]

Dennis can't beat Shane in any game ,, Shane has him beat before the first rack is broken ,, there are many players who I would take to play Shane before I got to Dennis

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Oh please, for the longest time Shane never could beat Dennis for the cash. If he did here & there it was in a tournament setting. Don't forget about him turning down a match when Dennis offered to play him back home (something Jay posted here on the forum awhile back).

So have a reality check before posting such bs.

 

[nateobot]

I don't think so. Name the last time you saw an MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA etc team walk off the field and quit. It never happens, and shouldn't happen in pool. I agree that their should be a rule written for tournaments that penalizes this type of behavior. I am shocked to see that so many people on here think this is not a big deal.

Those are team events, where pool is an individual event. I see PGA players withdraw in the middle of tournaments. You frequently see it when a player is shooting horrible, then withdraws for "an injury or illness". I do not know what their ramifications are.

 

[one stroke]

Oh please, for the longest time Shane never could beat Dennis for the cash. If he did here & there it was in a tournament setting. Don't forget about him turning down a match when Dennis offered to play him back home (something Jay posted here on the forum awhile back).

So have a reality check before posting such bs.

Well that was then this is now ,, I'm not even a Shane fan but I'll take Shane in any money set in any game over Dennis no way will the line be even either ,I'll bet that also

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