# Determining left / right inside or outside pivots or sweeps

#### JE54

##### Gotta get a new dentist.
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First of all, I have both of Stan's videos and watched all his you tubes. Also seen Bob Nunley's you tube on determing sweeps.
Waiting like everyone else (I am) who's interested for his book and TS.
Here's my question and I'll explain it.
When trying to determine sweeps/ pivots, inside or outside your supposed to be able to determine which it is, once you do the next part you should be able to determine if it's thick or thin. Alot of times I know which it is just because I can see the shot, but not always.
So if someone can just tell me what I 'm supposed to be looking at, it would be appreciated.
I get the visuals, see the fixed cb, and supposed to look through center cb to see if its thick or thin.
I'm not behind either line. I'm not supposed to be looking down the CTEL or the edge to a, b or c lines.

So, when looking through the cb center, after doing the above, what am I supposed to be looking at through center cb ?

I'm thinking it's simple, I'm just not seeing it.

#### garczar

##### AzB Silver Member
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First of all, I have both of Stan's videos and watched all his you tubes. Also seen Bob Nunley's you tube on determing sweeps.
Waiting like everyone else (I am) who's interested for his book and TS.
Here's my question and I'll explain it.
When trying to determine sweeps/ pivots, inside or outside your supposed to be able to determine which it is, once you do the next part you should be able to determine if it's thick or thin. Alot of times I know which it is just because I can see the shot, but not always.
So if someone can just tell me what I 'm supposed to be looking at, it would be appreciated.
I get the visuals, see the fixed cb, and supposed to look through center cb to see if its thick or thin.
I'm not behind either line. I'm not supposed to be looking down the CTEL or the edge to a, b or c lines.

So, when looking through the cb center, after doing the above, what am I supposed to be looking at through center cb ?

I'm thinking it's simple, I'm just not seeing it.
You really just need to do a SEARCH. There are a zillion posts on here dealing with this. Also, Stan has quite a few vids on YT dealing with this.

#### JE54

##### Gotta get a new dentist.
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As I said, I've seen the videos.

#### Low500

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#### JE54

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I've seen it before. I'm going to just try reviewing more yt.
Maybe someone will be able to give me an answer.

#### claymont

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First of all, I have both of Stan's videos and watched all his you tubes. Also seen Bob Nunley's you tube on determing sweeps.
Waiting like everyone else (I am) who's interested for his book and TS.
Here's my question and I'll explain it.
When trying to determine sweeps/ pivots, inside or outside your supposed to be able to determine which it is, once you do the next part you should be able to determine if it's thick or thin. Alot of times I know which it is just because I can see the shot, but not always.
So if someone can just tell me what I 'm supposed to be looking at, it would be appreciated.
I get the visuals, see the fixed cb, and supposed to look through center cb to see if its thick or thin.
I'm not behind either line. I'm not supposed to be looking down the CTEL or the edge to a, b or c lines.

So, when looking through the cb center, after doing the above, what am I supposed to be looking at through center cb ?

I'm thinking it's simple, I'm just not seeing it.

A lot of good info on this site:

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395

#### JoeyInCali

##### AzB Silver Member
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Nobody will just answer a simple question?
Wasn't Hal's version ALWAYS from left to right ?

CTE pivot must be so complicated and must be in secrecy even though nobody owns CTE.

Geometrically, the pivot should be the same angle and direction from the center of the ob to the contact point on no english shots.
But, that's double the distance aiming. lol

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#### JE54

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Appreciate the replies.

##### AzB Silver Member
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When trying to determine sweeps/ pivots, inside or outside your supposed to be able to determine which it is, once you do the next part you should be able to determine if it's thick or thin.

This is a little confusing the way you worded it.
The visual give you thick or thin which i turn determines the left or right pivot.

##### AzB Silver Member
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Nobody will just answer a simple question?
Wasn't Hal's version ALWAYS from left to right ?

Hal initially taught both left and right pivots.
He then told you that they could all be left to right but quite often left that for the student to figure out how to do.

#### JoeyInCali

##### AzB Silver Member
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Hal initially taught both left and right pivots.
He then told you that they could all be left to right but quite often left that for the student to figure out how to do.

Well, we were lead wrong then.
Thanks.

#### JE54

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Lets say for an example a Left cut to the upper R corner.
OB is a few inches off the long rail about even with the 2nd diamond on the R side. the CB is a few inches off the short rail and maybe a little less then a diamond away from the R rail . Close enough in line that you know its not a B.
So your visuals are CB Left edge to A. CTEL to the R side of OB.
Your not behind either line. You now have a fixed CB. The shot is either a inside {left) or outside (right) sweep / pivot.
The shot is hard to determine if its left or right sweep / pivot.
So now you've got your visuals, fixed CB and your supposed to look at the center CB and you should be able to tell whether its going to need to be a thick or thin cut. The part I'm not getting, is when I look at the Center CB, where / what am I looking at / through the center CB that tells me to either thin it or thicken it.
Hope that explains it better.

#### stockbob55

##### Registered
Ok, once you have your perception and the fixed cue ball.
Look through center cue ball to imagine the resulting path of the object ball.
Does it hit the rail thick or thin of the pocket?
If it would would appear be a too thick contact then you need to thin the shot, which would be a half
tip pivot from the inside...
and vice versa.

#### JE54

##### Gotta get a new dentist.
Silver Member
Ok, once you have your perception and the fixed cue ball.
Look through center cue ball to imagine the resulting path of the object ball.
Does it hit the rail thick or thin of the pocket?
If it would would appear be a too thick contact then you need to thin the shot, which would be a half
tip pivot from the inside...
and vice versa.

That's what I was trying to determine. I'm sure I knew it at one time, but couldn't remember.

#### JE54

##### Gotta get a new dentist.
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determining sweeps / pivots

Thanks to everyone who responded.

#### BC21

##### Poolology
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Ok, once you have your perception and the fixed cue ball.
Look through center cue ball to imagine the resulting path of the object ball.
Does it hit the rail thick or thin of the pocket?
If it would would appear be a too thick contact then you need to thin the shot, which would be a half
tip pivot from the inside...
and vice versa.

Bingo! No easier way to explain it.

#### JoeyInCali

##### AzB Silver Member
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Bingo! No easier way to explain it.

How do you determine if the hit is going to be too thick or too thin ?

#### Low500

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##### AzB Silver Member
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Well, we were lead wrong then.
Thanks.

Nah, it was Hal being Hal. And you couldn't blame him with all the bullshit flung around him. Besides figuring out the whole "everything can be left to right" is a challenge well worth the end result.