lol, all pool players whine and cry — as a group it is their one universal trait. Guaranteed that if the guys at your room aren’t crying about the tables, they’re cryin’ about somethin’ else.
Lou Figueroa
Diamond Pool Tables - Degree of Difficulty
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lol, all pool players whine and cry — as a group it is their one universal trait. Guaranteed that if the guys at your room aren’t crying about the tables, they’re cryin’ about somethin’ else.
Lou Figueroa
I own a nine foot Diamond Paragon that I play on nightly and I absolutely love it. I do remember being intimidated by the the old red label Diamonds but I'm so used to the blue label Diamonds that I don't see any open shots that I think I'm going to rattle.
I went to Parlor Billiards for a lesson with Dan Louie and the Gold Crowns felt like I was tossing wadded up paper into the corner trash can. Still would find a way to not get out by hooking myself
I went to Parlor Billiards for a lesson with Dan Louie and the Gold Crowns felt like I was tossing wadded up paper into the corner trash can. Still would find a way to not get out by hooking myself
Pro tournaments used to be played on Brunswick GC's for years, but the pros have no business playing on 5-inch pockets - it would be like PGA tour golfers playing on a 6,000 yard golf course. There were other improvements the original Diamond's had over the GC's - most prominent was the design of the pocket leathers that were flush with the top of the rails, which was a huge improvement. Now everyone including Brunswick Gold Crown's utilize that design.
Kerry, you are a glutton for punishment :smile:
Beemers in Leominster. Our home room for USAPL. 8' Diamonds coin op.
Alex said they are some of the toughest tables he has played on along with one of the Snookers tables and an older Diamond table we played on in S. Carolina. I made a mistake gambling with someone at $5 a game on that table that was a regular. Went back and forth for a bit but I ended up $30 loser or so. Table time was like $50 since Alex and I were for for several hours.
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Wow sound cool. Love the idea of a 10' table. I don't play 14.1, but sounds cool to try. My sister just moved to NC, but I forget where. I think sorta close to Wilmington? Near some marine base. Any idea where I mean, and if so are you close to that?
KMRUNOUT
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Interesting. Definitely don't know that place and it sounds like a hike for me. FYI Crows Nest recovered theirs and they are playing nice. Wish they didn't choose the puke blue (I think it's royal blue lol) given that they only have 7' table lights for their 8 footers, but they are playing great so I'm happy.
And yes, I love punishment lol. I actually don't care to *compete* on super tight pockets, but I love solo practice on them. I think table 15 at Snookers is the toughest. But I wouldn't call it crazy right. I think it's about 4.25 but it plays rather slow which makes it feel tougher. Table 1 is not quite so tight but much more lively so that is my preferred table to play on, also because it's the only one with good lighting.
Maybe I'll be in the area some time of the place you mentioned and check it out. Thanks for the info!
KMRUNOUT
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No, that is the eastern side of the state near the coast. We are in the northwest corner of the state in the mountains - likely around a 5 hour drive from there.
GC4's had flush pockets long before Diamond did it. BTW, GC's were designed as a "commercial" table. They came along in the post-Hustler boom and went in rec. centers, bowling alleys, etc. They had big pockets so customers would have fun and COME BACK. Nobody ever said that 5" pockets were the best size for skilled players. A lot of rooms tightened-up one or two for the better players.
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Gold Crown IV's did not come out until 1997 a full decade after Diamond made their first table with flush pockets. Were you possibly thinking GC III's ? I am pretty sure their pockets were not flush.
Gold Crown IV's did not come out until 1997 a full decade after Diamond made their first table with flush pockets. Were you possibly thinking GC III's ? I am pretty sure their pockets were not flush.
You are right Franko! Diamond did it first. But Brunswick did put the leveling system in the GC4 far before Diamond did on the red labels.
Brunswick paved the way for a very long time and Diamond came along with their own good ideas as well!
Trent from Toledo
To the OP, this is my opinion:
1. 9' diamond pro-am 4" to 4 1/4" pockets are "perfect" for skill levels from weak "A-" to pro level players.
2. 9' diamond pro-am 4 3/8" to 4 1/2" pockets are about right for skill level "B-" to "B+" players.
3. Coupled with today's felt, cushions etc..etc... any table that has pockets larger than 4 1/2" plays to easy for most any player that is above "C+" skill level.
To me, large pocket tables are bad for the serious pool player........but GREAT for a business owner that has coin op tables or the like where casual players are their customer base.
Again, that is my opinion.
1. 9' diamond pro-am 4" to 4 1/4" pockets are "perfect" for skill levels from weak "A-" to pro level players.
2. 9' diamond pro-am 4 3/8" to 4 1/2" pockets are about right for skill level "B-" to "B+" players.
3. Coupled with today's felt, cushions etc..etc... any table that has pockets larger than 4 1/2" plays to easy for most any player that is above "C+" skill level.
To me, large pocket tables are bad for the serious pool player........but GREAT for a business owner that has coin op tables or the like where casual players are their customer base.
Again, that is my opinion.
I would differ from your opinion as follows:
4" - 4-1/4" pockets - for pro level players, or stricly as a practice table for strong amateur players
4-3/8" - 4-1/2" pockets - weak "A" players and strong "B" players, practice table for "C" players
4-3/4" pockets - weak "B" players and strong "C" players
5" pockets - all those below strong "C" players including all recreational players
I have come to realize that most people's opinions differ from mine when it comes to billiards and pool in general.
All I can say: again....my opinion....lol....... is that pool has been watered down in the US for sometime now.
That, IMO, would explain "part" of the reason the US is so weak in pool compared to well, most everyone else in the world.
What we call an "A" level player here is considered "C+" to weak "B" in some parts of the world.
Add to that, what we call a pro is considered strong amateur in some parts of the world.
Again, watered-down and IMO, why some like yourself rank players the way you do such as the way you feel about table difficulty vs skill.
JMO
Oops. Gotcha. My bad. I thought the 4 came out well before '97. I played on a early RedLabel Professional and it banked so short the room owner all but gave it away. They're really nice now.
It's obviously your opinion and that can't be wrong.
Recreational/ casual players are what keep most pool rooms open. Learned this after attempting to open a room earlier this year. Upon seeing how much cost is involved I discovered this to be true and did not realize it.
The only part of a Diamond I don't like is the deep pocket shelf, it totally changes the way the table and game is played. I also have gotten used to it and don't care so much
Trent from Toledo
Recreational/ casual players are what keep most pool rooms open. Learned this after attempting to open a room earlier this year. Upon seeing how much cost is involved I discovered this to be true and did not realize it.
The only part of a Diamond I don't like is the deep pocket shelf, it totally changes the way the table and game is played. I also have gotten used to it and don't care so much
Trent from Toledo
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Since you guyz are chatting about the differences, I found out something Very interesting. I'm putting together a GCI total restoration....the cut out holes in the pedestals are four inches on center wider than the GCIII. The stretcher is the exact same length 62''. Having a wider footing I think contributes to the feel of the GCI being more ''grounded''. It's similar to having a car for many years then buying one with a wider wheelbase, the car feels, handles and drives different.